dma0034 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Bell Elliott Gurley David Johnson Kamara Fournette Melvin Gordon Barkley Kareem Hunt Joe Mixon McCaffery That's 11 names all arguably better than Shady, the top 5 clearly better than him IMO. That's not including names like Devonta Freeman, Jordan Howard, Dalvin Cook who are closer to Shady than some here would be willing to admit. Fournette and Mixon aren't in this conversation. David Johnson hasn't looked good this year. Top 5 RB in order: Gurley Kamara Elliott Bell Gordon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, dma0034 said: Fournette and Mixon aren't in this conversation. David Johnson hasn't looked good this year. Top 5 RB in order: Gurley Kamara Elliott Bell Gordon Mixon was a beast this year before he got hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 3 hours ago, billsredneck1 said: line him up wide more often. He has the best hands on the team. He should have 6 catches a game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1st&ten said: Bell wants mega bucks----the highest paid running back in the NFL----the Bills are still working their way out of cap problems. Why would Le'veon play? He's on the tag for this year no matter what. Edited September 24, 2018 by dneveu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 Yes, they should and probably will, utilize him more in the passing game. Get him in space (which we already know) and let him do his thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 4 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: I've got some oceanfront property here in Columbus to sell you.... They'll have the second most cap room in the league next season and 3 key expensive positions (QB / LT / CB) on very cheap deals. Need to add talent at some point. Yeah I agree, we need to add talent but if you don't understand the metrics of the modern NFL & paying a running back mega bucks, I'm done with this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: You're welcome to your opinion, but I'm puzzled to how you'd justify it with football arguments. In any event, the point remains that whether or not you think one is better than the other, they are both skills backs who thrive behind competent run blocking. Which we ain't got. If you need a 'football argument' to justify that Bell is a better back than McCoy I dunno what to tell ya. Outside maybe Gurley he's been the best RB in the league over the past 2 years. For starters he's got over 600 yards more than McCoy from scrimmage over the last 2 years, averages almost one yard/touch more than McCoy in the same timeframe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 I kept waiting for Ivory to get called for a penalty because he always uses his helmet. He is a physical runner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce_Stools Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Chuck Wagon said: Bell Elliott Gurley David Johnson Kamara Fournette Melvin Gordon Barkley Kareem Hunt Joe Mixon McCaffery That's 11 names all arguably better than Shady, the top 5 clearly better than him IMO. That's not including names like Devonta Freeman, Jordan Howard, Dalvin Cook who are closer to Shady than some here would be willing to admit. In no particular order Bell Shady Hunt Gurley ——————————- The rest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 8 hours ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Shady hasn't been Shady. But now that the other teams defenses learned from Minnesota's HUGE mistake they will respect the passing game ... wait what did I just type? Yes, respect the passing game and because of that the run game should improve. I'm pretty sure McCoy has been himself. Shifty and plenty of speed in space. The run blocking has just been terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Keep in mind Ivory is averaged 2.8 ypc yesterday, which is tough to do if you're consistently getting 3-4 ypc. I do know what I think you mean, though, which is that Ivory was at least making positive yardage consistently. It's not a thing to love though. I have trouble seeing what run blocking is doing in real time on televised footage, but Imma bet that the all-22 is going to show me what it showed last week: the run blocking sucks. There are no holes being opened. The difference between Ivory and Shady is that Shady does what top backs do - hesitates just a bit and waits for his blockers to open holes. Only the holes never open. Meanwhile Ivory plunges right in full throttle and grinds out the yards with his legs, which is why -1 or no gain for Shady becomes 1-3 yds for Ivory. The real issue is to try to fix the run blocking. It's only partly guys getting beat at the point of attack, there seems to be a lot of confusion about blocking assignments. It's also in the first two games been totally ineffective cut blocking. I saw at least 2 ineffective cut blocks yesterday. What was Ivory's ypa at half though? Most of his nothing runs that I remember were in the second half, where all we were doing was running up middle to burn clock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted September 24, 2018 Share Posted September 24, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Keep in mind Ivory is averaged 2.8 ypc yesterday, which is tough to do if you're consistently getting 3-4 ypc. I do know what I think you mean, though, which is that Ivory was at least making positive yardage consistently. It's not a thing to love though. I have trouble seeing what run blocking is doing in real time on televised footage, but Imma bet that the all-22 is going to show me what it showed last week: the run blocking sucks. There are no holes being opened. The difference between Ivory and Shady is that Shady does what top backs do - hesitates just a bit and waits for his blockers to open holes. Only the holes never open. Meanwhile Ivory plunges right in full throttle and grinds out the yards with his legs, which is why -1 or no gain for Shady becomes 1-3 yds for Ivory. The real issue is to try to fix the run blocking. It's only partly guys getting beat at the point of attack, there seems to be a lot of confusion about blocking assignments. It's also in the first two games been totally ineffective cut blocking. I saw at least 2 ineffective cut blocks yesterday. This was the part that got to me about our OL. Yes, they've performed well overall in pass blocking, or at least 3 of them have per PFF. But our run blocking took a huge hit when we lost Wood and Incognito. It was a huge reason Shady offered Richie money to resign - before all the craziness happened. Wood was phenomenal in setting the middle wedge for interior runs, and I have rarely seen a guard who can pull and block on multiple levels like Richie did. Say what you will, but most every run Shady picked up he was looking to get behind 64 until he had to change direction. We might be creating pockets, but we could really use lineman getting to the next level against the backers, and executing some pull schemes for outside gains. 95% of Shady's style is outside runs. For Ivory it'd be nice to have some in-between the tackle space, or at least seal off alleys that last longer than two seconds. In reference to yesterday's game, a lot of the play action that was opened up was due to our consistent positive gains with the run game. Even if only for three yard chunks, they were missing Griffen on their Dline, and certainly had to compensate and gameplan for stopping the run regardless. Edited September 24, 2018 by ctk232 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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