keepthefaith Posted October 9, 2018 Posted October 9, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Tre White, Micah Hyde, Joyden Poyer, Tre Edmunds, Mike Millano and Taron Johnson would actually be a significantly better WR corps. And Croom.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 10, 2018 Posted October 10, 2018 (edited) 2018 leaders 5 games player total avg/g Zay 164 32.80 KB 103 20.60 Ivory 100 20.00 Clay 99 19.80 Croom 73 14.60 Shady 64 12.80 2017 leading receivers - yds Clay 558 34.88 Shady 448 28.00 Thompson 430 26.88 O'Leary 322 20.13 Zay 316 19.75 2015 leading receivers - yds Woods 613 38.31 Clay 552 34.50 Goodwin 431 26.94 Watkins 430 26.88 Shady 356 22.25 2014 leading receivers - yds Watkins 1047 65.44 Woods 552 34.50 Clay 528 33.00 Hogan 450 28.13 Shady 292 18.25 Quote On 10/8/2018 at 9:54 AM, The Frankish Reich said: So ... you're telling us Zay is on pace to catch 32 passes for 461 yards. So.... not much different than ALL the talent the Bills lost - just saying Edited October 10, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 14, 2018 Posted October 14, 2018 Who caught the only TD today? 4
Juice_32 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 59 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Who caught the only TD today? You don't break the NCAA reception record unless you can separate. Reports of Zays demise have been greatly overstated. 1
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 This thread will live until the OP makes the correction. Ill keep posting the stats as a weekly reminder. 2
Real McClappy Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This thread will live until the OP makes the correction. Ill keep posting the stats as a weekly reminder. I'm with that as well. 1
Drunken Pygmy Goat Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This thread will live until the OP makes the correction. Ill keep posting the stats as a weekly reminder. BringBackOP 1
The Frankish Reich Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: This thread will live until the OP makes the correction. Ill keep posting the stats as a weekly reminder. And I'm o.k. with that too. Look, if you're gonna believe that this isn't 95% about horrid QB play, then you have to believe all of these at the same time: (1) that Benjamin in his contract year is suddenly complete trash, (2) that Zay Jones simply can't get open or catch the ball when he is open, and (3) that Charles Clay has suddenly moved from reliable but unspectacular 5 catches/60 yards per game guy to almost complete nonfactor. I prefer the simpler explanation - it's all on the QBs. 1
JoPar_v2 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 16 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: You don't break the NCAA reception record unless you can separate. Reports of Zays demise have been greatly overstated. Hmmm...but I’ve been told by folks around here that Allen is fine just all the receivers suck. They can’t get open and whatnot. Really makes you think ?
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, JoPar_v2 said: Hmmm...but I’ve been told by folks around here that Allen is fine just all the receivers suck. They can’t get open and whatnot. Really makes you think ? Are you really saying that Zay Jones has been beating coverage and often open and Josh Allen has been repeatedly missing him? That hasn't been happening. In fact, Zay dropped a very catchable third and long pass by Allen today.
Juice_32 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: Hmmm...but I’ve been told by folks around here that Allen is fine just all the receivers suck. They can’t get open and whatnot. Really makes you think ? Allen is struggling to slow the game down and make reads. On the whole our receivers are terrible. But Allen was a project when we drafted him, nothing has changed. No one can say what he will or will not be yet.
JoPar_v2 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 Just now, Kelly the Dog said: Are you really saying that Zay Jones has been beating coverage and often open and Josh Allen has been repeatedly missing him? That hasn't been happening. In fact, Zay dropped a very catchable third and long pass by Allen today. Just commenting on the separation stat brought up above. I don’t think Allen has been missing him a lot per se, because I don’t think Allen has kept his head up and eyes down the field long enough to even make the decision to throw to Zay, or anyone else. And I have to look at the drop stats for this season, but I’d bet Zay has improved on that compared to year 1. 2 minutes ago, Juice_32 said: Allen is struggling to slow the game down and make reads. On the whole our receivers are terrible. But Allen was a project when we drafted him, nothing has changed. No one can say what he will or will not be yet. As a whole unit, yes - the WRs are bad. Zay is the best of a bad bunch right now, which isn’t saying a whole lot. Hope he continues to improve.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, JoPar_v2 said: Just commenting on the separation stat brought up above. I don’t think Allen has been missing him a lot per se, because I don’t think Allen has kept his head up and eyes down the field long enough to even make the decision to throw to Zay, or anyone else. And I have to look at the drop stats for this season, but I’d bet Zay has improved on that compared to year 1. Don't look at the separation stats they are complete bullschitt. A play where no one covers a guy because of a mistaken coverage a guy has great separation. Look at the games and then the all-22. Zay gets little separation although in the last couple games he's been slightly better. Not good though. Very nice double move and catch on the TD though. That was very nice. 1
JoPar_v2 Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Don't look at the separation stats they are complete bullschitt. A play where no one covers a guy because of a mistaken coverage a guy has great separation. Look at the games and then the all-22. Zay gets little separation although in the last couple games he's been slightly better. Not good though. Very nice double move and catch on the TD though. That was very nice. Thanks - I don’t see that stat quoted a lot, so I am not certain how they calculate it. If they just throw every play into the pot and bust out the rulers without taking into account the coverage, then yes it’s pretty useless and mostly BS
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Don't look at the separation stats they are complete bullschitt. A play where no one covers a guy because of a mistaken coverage a guy has great separation. Look at the games and then the all-22. Zay gets little separation although in the last couple games he's been slightly better. Not good though. Very nice double move and catch on the TD though. That was very nice. bull **** maybe. But one argument here is that the WR’s don’t separate. The tweet above indicates he does. KB has been getting the most targets and has the least production. Maybe they need to target Zay more.
Buffalo Ballin Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 (edited) No. Not Zay. Looks like the bust is Josh Allen right now though. Edited October 15, 2018 by Buffalo Ballin
Kelly the Dog Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: bull **** maybe. But one argument here is that the WR’s don’t separate. The tweet above indicates he does. KB has been getting the most targets and has the least production. Maybe they need to target Zay more. It depends on how the stat is calculated. The "time to throw" stat often if not usually shows the exact opposite of what it is supposed to. Out of contact the raw stat is less than worthless. It's harmful because people don't know how to see it or use it or understand it. When do these stat companies start and stop calling something "separation?" A lot of times a defender watching the QB will leave his man as soon as he is confident it's not going to him. That guy gets the extra separation yards? If it's a zone, which is like, half the plays, and the defense let's a guy go so the safety behind is supposed to pick him up, this is "separation?" It's a total bullschitt stat.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted October 15, 2018 Posted October 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It depends on how the stat is calculated. The "time to throw" stat often if not usually shows the exact opposite of what it is supposed to. Out of contact the raw stat is less than worthless. It's harmful because people don't know how to see it or use it or understand it. When do these stat companies start and stop calling something "separation?" A lot of times a defender watching the QB will leave his man as soon as he is confident it's not going to him. That guy gets the extra separation yards? If it's a zone, which is like, half the plays, and the defense let's a guy go so the safety behind is supposed to pick him up, this is "separation?" It's a total bullschitt stat. I’ve said it many times. Stats lie. Basically what you are stating they dont often tell the right story.
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