The flip to RR was the worst call I've ever seen.

[Augie]

54 minutes ago, mattynh said:

The evidence was clear and convincing....no clue how that was not a pass.

 

The ball only goes forward, if only slightly, if the hand/arm sends it forward, if only slightly. 

[LSHMEAB]

I'm really anxious to hear an explanation.

 

Had it been executed, it would have been a reception. Makes no sense.

[Livinginthepast]

4 hours ago, Real McCoy said:

Was mind boggling and made zero sense. I thought the challenge was an excellent one as well.

 

Always a 1st though, just like the illegal block in the back when we were the ones punting the ball? WTH? How does that even happen?

 

 

 

I watched that "block in the back" play several times. I couldn't see the player called #30 (apparently Pitts the CB) on any of the plays or the alleged "block in the back" on any angle. In addition why would a kicking team player ever block in the back on their own punt???? Never seen that call in almost 40 years of watching football, NFL, NCAA, CFL, USFL or even XFL!!! Call makes no sense. Romo and Nantz didn't even question it.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Livinginthepast
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[Rob's House]

Speaking of bad calls, next week I don't think we should block Clay Matthews. The league has determined that it's against the rules for him to tackle a QB.

[26CornerBlitz]

Daboll said at his presser today it was a fumble with Allen not establishing control.

[Warcodered]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Daboll said at his presser today it was a fumble with Allen not establishing control.

I guess I can kind of see that but I would of thought the refs would of come back saying the call stands and not confirmed.

[TroutDog]

On 9/23/2018 at 5:08 PM, 4merper4mer said:

It meant nothing but there is zero way to explain the no reversal on the flip to McCloud called a fumble.

 

It wasn't the worst in terms of impact but it could not have been an easier reversal.  Mahomes and Brady use that play and when it works it is called a completion, not a rush.

 

Can anyone explain?

The explanation is poor officiating, in my opinion. 

[Doc Brown]

I guess they went back to needing indisputable video evidence this year.  The Bills would of appreciated that standard on that Benjamin no touchdown ruling in Foxborough last year.

[pennstate10]

Just to clarify--

Daboll said he thought it was a fumble, or Daboll says that why the officials called it a fumble.

 

It was precisely the same play as last week that was a completion of a 1 yd pass.

[LABILLBACKER]

On 9/23/2018 at 2:22 PM, Coach Tuesday said:

Someone here told me a few days ago that the replay system works fine...

 

It doesn’t.  The NFL is populated by bozos.

The replay system does work perfectly. It's just the incredibly flawed humans that attempt to manage it.

[Koko78]

23 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

What really pissed me off is when the guy announced "The ruling on the field has been confirmed."

 

These guys truly don't have a clue.

 

I rather appreciated the ****-eating grin he had on his face when he said "confirmed".

[Hapless Bills Fan]

23 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Think it was because it looked exactly the same as if he’d dropped the ball. There was no forward arm motion that I could see. He just released it with his hand. The intent was a shovel pass but you can’t go by intent. If he had just dropped it, it would’ve looked exactly the same. Guessing that was it. I actually thought it was a fair call for that reason. 

 

The intent was a flip pass.  The Bills used the same flip pass with exactly the same hand motion, successfully to Foster in Week 2.  2:33 in the 1Q if you have all-22 and want to check it out - one of the nicer plays of that horrid first half.  The NFL logged it as a pass - a flip pass.  Make up your minds, NFL.

It was a totally crap call, because if the NFL can correctly recognize and log a flip pass in Week 2, they need to be able to recognize it when it's incomplete in Week 3.  Romo diagnosed it correctly.  The snap was late, and McCloud didn't adjust his speed to get there when the ball did.

 

 

 

 

[pennstate10]

I agree with Hapless.

But someone posted in this thread that Daboll said it was a fumble at his press conference.

Is this correct, or did above poster misquote Daboll?

[26CornerBlitz]

42 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Daboll says fumble.

[Shaw66]

23 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Think it was because it looked exactly the same as if he’d dropped the ball. There was no forward arm motion that I could see. He just released it with his hand. The intent was a shovel pass but you can’t go by intent. If he had just dropped it, it would’ve looked exactly the same. Guessing that was it. I actually thought it was a fair call for that reason. 

I don't know the rule, but I don't think his arm going forward decides the issue.  

 

It was either a forward pass or a fumble.  Those are the only two things it could be.   It's a fumble if the person with the ball - Allen, in this case, loses control of the ball involuntarily, like he gets it and he drops it, or if he throws it intentionally but the ball doesn't go forward.   It's a forward pass if he lets go of it voluntarily and the ball moves forward.   

 

In this case it may be true that his hands didn't move forward, but the ball did.  If he lets go of the ball voluntarily and the ball moves forward, it's a forward pass. 

 

Plus, think of it this way:   There's no question Allen released the ball voluntarily, and there's no question the ball moved forward.  As a matter of physics, Allen must have done SOMETHING to cause the ball to move forward - he didn't need arm motion, he just needed a small finger flick.  I doubt there's a rule that says it's only a pass if his arm moves.   If he's strong enough to pass it forward with his fingers, it's still a pass. 

[Kelly the Dog]

23 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

 

Think it was because it looked exactly the same as if he’d dropped the ball. There was no forward arm motion that I could see. He just released it with his hand. The intent was a shovel pass but you can’t go by intent. If he had just dropped it, it would’ve looked exactly the same. Guessing that was it. I actually thought it was a fair call for that reason. 

His hands slightly moved forward which caused the ball to slightly go forward. Romo even referred to the slight movement on the replay.  

 

I imagine Daboll is saying it was a fumble to make sure that Allen catches it and does an exaggerated move,ent so the refs don't call it that again. 

 

Imo, either Allen stepped up too close or McCloud ran too close to Allen. There needs to be about a yard between them so he can easily catch it on the run. On the Foster try, which was the same play, there was a yard at least between Allen and Foster. Yesterday, it was about a foot, which is why they were able to call it a fumble, which wasn't true. Allen actually caught the ball and ever so slightly pushed it forward. 

Edited September 24, 2018 by Kelly the Dog

[Figster]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't know the rule, but I don't think his arm going forward decides the issue.  

 

It was either a forward pass or a fumble.  Those are the only two things it could be.   It's a fumble if the person with the ball - Allen, in this case, loses control of the ball involuntarily, like he gets it and he drops it, or if he throws it intentionally but the ball doesn't go forward.   It's a forward pass if he lets go of it voluntarily and the ball moves forward.   

 

In this case it may be true that his hands didn't move forward, but the ball did.  If he lets go of the ball voluntarily and the ball moves forward, it's a forward pass. 

 

Plus, think of it this way:   There's no question Allen released the ball voluntarily, and there's no question the ball moved forward.  As a matter of physics, Allen must have done SOMETHING to cause the ball to move forward - he didn't need arm motion, he just needed a small finger flick.  I doubt there's a rule that says it's only a pass if his arm moves.   If he's strong enough to pass it forward with his fingers, it's still a pass. 

 The arm not going forward could be why the penalty was confirmed in my humble opinion.

 

It If'y ,but that would explain it because i'm not sure push which could have been done with forward motion of the body constitutes arm going forward.

Edited September 24, 2018 by Figster

[NewEra]

We see this type of call against us every game or so.  The refs call it against us on the field.  It’s SO obvious that they got it wrong.  We challenge, surely we’ll win.  The refs have eyes.....right?  Noooooo, call stands and not one person that saw the play can understand why

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

His hands slightly moved forward which caused the ball to slightly go forward. Room even referred to the slight movement on the replay.  

Look at the Daboll presser.  He admits it was a fumble.   He says the QB has to catch the ball clearly and then release it.  He says the timing was bad and Allen had to get rid of it too fast. 

 

Frankly, I think that's incorrect, because if I call the video correctly, Allen's fingers clearly closed on the ball - he caught it.  Then he released it.  

[Kelly the Dog]

7 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I don't know the rule, but I don't think his arm going forward decides the issue.  

 

It was either a forward pass or a fumble.  Those are the only two things it could be.   It's a fumble if the person with the ball - Allen, in this case, loses control of the ball involuntarily, like he gets it and he drops it, or if he throws it intentionally but the ball doesn't go forward.   It's a forward pass if he lets go of it voluntarily and the ball moves forward.   

 

In this case it may be true that his hands didn't move forward, but the ball did.  If he lets go of the ball voluntarily and the ball moves forward, it's a forward pass. 

 

Plus, think of it this way:   There's no question Allen released the ball voluntarily, and there's no question the ball moved forward.  As a matter of physics, Allen must have done SOMETHING to cause the ball to move forward - he didn't need arm motion, he just needed a small finger flick.  I doubt there's a rule that says it's only a pass if his arm moves.   If he's strong enough to pass it forward with his fingers, it's still a pass. 

I believe the arm needs to be going forward. That's how they determine incomplete passes versus fumbles a lot of times. In this case, Allen's arms did move ever so slightly forward.