dpberr Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Zone sucks in basketball. It equally sucks in football. The quiick, accurate quarterbacks of today shred the hell out of a zone scheme like Tampa 2. Too many little gaps an experienced QB will find. I know it's been a while since Jim Schwartz was here but his man coverage scheme is the opposite. The man coverage buys the time for your rush to get home.
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2018 Author Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 11:45 PM, dpberr said: Zone sucks in basketball. It equally sucks in football. The quiick, accurate quarterbacks of today shred the hell out of a zone scheme like Tampa 2. Too many little gaps an experienced QB will find. I know it's been a while since Jim Schwartz was here but his man coverage scheme is the opposite. The man coverage buys the time for your rush to get home. Expand Rex also ran man coverage. With the linemen. 2
vincec Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 11:45 PM, dpberr said: Zone sucks in basketball. It equally sucks in football. The quiick, accurate quarterbacks of today shred the hell out of a zone scheme like Tampa 2. Too many little gaps an experienced QB will find. I know it's been a while since Jim Schwartz was here but his man coverage scheme is the opposite. The man coverage buys the time for your rush to get home. Expand Schwartz runs a combination of man and zone. Rex Ryan ran a lot more man to man that Schwartz ever did and that didn't work out to well. 1
YoloinOhio Posted September 21, 2018 Author Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 11:56 PM, vincec said: Schwartz runs a combination of man and zone. Rex Ryan ran a lot more man to man that Schwartz ever did and that didn't work out to well. Expand Rex didn’t believe in “safety help”
Happy Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 10:42 PM, BillsRdue said: 3-3-5 with this team is a recipe for disaster. We need to get to the QB. That means you can't rush 3 guys and drop 8 into a zone. That's foolish. No wonder we got scorched. Expand Exactly. This defense through the first six quarters reminds me of Rex's defense. Rush three, everyone else cover, and put more pressure on the DBs. It makes no sense. A strong pass rush will force the QB to make mistakes, take sacks, and get rid of the ball before he's ready to. A good pass rush will make a mediocre secondary look good. Not sure why some of these coaches like to get so cute in their schemes. Look at how the Giants beat the Pats* in two SBs, it wasn't by putting more pressure on the DB's which Brady would have shredded. 1
BuffaloBillyG Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 9:43 PM, YoloinOhio said: Rachel Bush > Rafael Bush?? Expand Both have more career rushing yards as a Bill than Reggie Bush. 2 1
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 The thing is, I like the Big Nickel. But with our scheme, I have zero idea why we are going to a 3-3-5 when we are far better suited to a 4-2-5. I thought the whole point was to get Alexander out of SLB, and onto the line. You get a safety to pair off against TE and plug the run. We should have the personnel for it.
Freddie's Dead Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 10:03 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...choose your Bush.....we're waiting............... Expand I'll go with Kate Bush. On 9/21/2018 at 11:45 PM, dpberr said: Zone sucks in basketball. Expand Said Jim Boeheim.
TigerJ Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 I don't think the Bills have the personnel to use a "big nickel" successfully. You've got to have a guy with some good measurables (size and athleticism) who mixes football intelligence and toughness. They don't have that. With Vontae Davis gone (and a disappointment before he left) they only have one quality starting CB.
Overdue Bill Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/22/2018 at 2:58 AM, TigerJ said: I don't think the Bills have the personnel to use a "big nickel" successfully. You've got to have a guy with some good measurables (size and athleticism) who mixes football intelligence and toughness. They don't have that. With Vontae Davis gone (and a disappointment before he left) they only have one quality starting CB. Expand We should have addressed this in the preseason...I don't see it getting better now.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) So we are giving up more points per pass attempt playing the regular nickel. We are also only giving up 6ppg since Vontae's early retirement. Edited September 22, 2018 by Sammy Watkins' Rib
Wayne Cubed Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 I’ve seen Jerry Hughes in zone coverage too much this season on 3rd downs.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) On 9/21/2018 at 11:57 PM, YoloinOhio said: Rex didn’t believe in “safety help” Expand Like McDermott leaving White on an island last year with Green to get burned for a 75 yard TD? Unless you are implying the safety help we have now is that we actually signed a couple of good safeties in Poyer and Hyde when McDermott came in. That I definitely agree with. Edited September 22, 2018 by Sammy Watkins' Rib
Flutie Flakes Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/22/2018 at 1:09 PM, Overdue Bill said: We should have addressed this in the preseason...I don't see it getting better now. Expand Hard to address effectively given our cap situation. Davis was our "K-Mart blue light special" pick-up and he's gone.
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/22/2018 at 1:15 PM, Wayne Cubed said: I’ve seen Jerry Hughes in zone coverage too much this season on 3rd downs. Expand Von Miller Intercepts Tom Brady This was second down rather than third but still second and long. I don't think it is a bid deal to occasionally drop your rush linebackers or ends in coverage as it can fool the QB who is likely certain that player is rushing. But yeah it should be used wisely and sparingly. I don't know how many times Hughes has dropped into coverage this year but a few times would be fine. On 9/22/2018 at 1:20 PM, Flutie Flakes said: Hard to address effectively given our cap situation. Davis was our "K-Mart blue light special" pick-up and he's gone. Expand It just makes me shake my head. How can we be in cap trouble when we basically have no good players? Even taking into account the Dareus money we are still owe who the heck else is getting paid on this team? We overpaid a bunch of bad players? And I love McCoy but RBs really are a dime a dozen and we probably shouldn't be paying him what he is getting either. Worst team in the league and we have a terrible cap situation. Makes no sense.
Bob in STL Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/21/2018 at 11:56 PM, vincec said: Schwartz runs a combination of man and zone. Rex Ryan ran a lot more man to man that Schwartz ever did and that didn't work out to well. Expand yes but the legend of Schwartz must live on you know.
Flutie Flakes Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 On 9/22/2018 at 1:24 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: It just makes me shake my head. How can we be in cap trouble when we basically have no good players? Even taking into account the Dareus money we are still owe who the heck else is getting paid on this team? We overpaid a bunch of bad players? And I love McCoy but RBs really are a dime a dozen and we probably shouldn't be paying him what he is getting either. Worst team in the league and we have a terrible cap situation. Makes no sense. Expand I couldn't agree more. From USA Today (9/18/18) Most dead money in 2018 1. Bills- $53.1M 2. Cowboys- $28.9M 3. Giants- $25M 4. 49ers- $22.5M 5. Cardinals- $21M 6. Browns- $20.5M Pretty crazy that Bills are almost equal to numbers 2 and 3 combined.
Bob in STL Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) On 9/22/2018 at 1:24 PM, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: Von Miller Intercepts Tom Brady We overpaid a bunch of bad players? And I love McCoy but RBs really are a dime a dozen and we probably shouldn't be paying him what he is getting either. Worst team in the league and we have a terrible cap situation. Makes no sense. Expand Running backs are NOT really a dime a dozen. That is one of the most overplayed thoughts in football today. Look at our depth at RB last year and now this year. Maybe a little better this year but not by much. That said. McCoy's contract is not a good one for us but that has more to do with his age. Edited September 22, 2018 by Bob in STL
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted September 22, 2018 Posted September 22, 2018 (edited) On 9/22/2018 at 1:35 PM, Bob in STL said: Running backs are NOT really a dime a dozen. That is one of the most overplayed thoughts in football today. Look at our depth at RB last year and now this year. Maybe a little better this year but not by much. Expand I got to disagree here still. When was the last time we really had nobody good at the RB position? More often than not we had two capable backs. Not just one. You definitely do not need to overspend on the position. Money is better spent elsewhere for sure. Edited September 22, 2018 by Sammy Watkins' Rib
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