Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 (edited) Article on unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not? I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did / How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there). There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate. I've also posted this on buildingherd.com.. see link below https://buildingherd.com/2018/09/21/bills-la-wk-2-all-22-oline-qb-unforced-error-analysis As always.. let's hear your comments/thoughts. Bills/LA Wk 2: All-22 OLine/Qb Unforced Error Analysis Date: September 21, 2018Author: cfuller0 Comments — Edit Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not? I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there). There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate. Sufficient protection means that Josh Allen had time to hit his drop and had at least a second to scan the field. DISCLAIMER (I am not a coach, I don’t know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play) _______ ______________________ TOTAL PASS PLAYS: 40 LINE BREAKDOWNS: 8/40 snaps – 20% In other words Allen didn’t really have a chance on 20% of his drop backs. Based on historical data the threshold for average O Line performance has been around a 20% breakdown rate.. so lets say the O Line play (including TEs../RBs more on that later) was right at average against LA in pass protect. SUFFICIENT PROTECTION: 32- 40 snaps or 80%. In other words QB had a relatively clean pocket 80% of the time. UNFORCED QB ERRORS: 10/40 snaps or 25%. Based on my 2015/16 studies if the Bills’ QBs commit 5 unforced QB errors or less during a game their odds of winning are very favorable. Josh Allen had 10 unforced errors by my count. This is well above the danger zone. As we will see later.. some of these unf errors were not picking up blitzes and throwing to hot routes. Some were just plain off target throws where he was not under duress. O LINE PERFORMANCE DION DAWKINS – had a really solid day. By my observation there were no obvious pressures given up by DD. VLAD DUCASSE – I’ve been hard on Vlad the past few months but he was OUTSTANDING in pass protect against LA. To my eye he did not give up any pressures. RYAN GROY– Groy was much better this week than against Ravens. However.. he had one obviously bad play where he did not sustain his block .. which indirectly led to an Allen INT JOHN MILLER – Miller had a bit of a rough start (giving up a sack early as shown below) but he rallied to play much better as the game went on. q1:11:32 -Early in the first quarter #76 is slow to pick up the safety blitz resulting in a sack which Allen had no chance to avoid JORDAN MILLS – Mills was generally solid against a very tough matchup against Melvin Ingram. He did a good job of handling Ingram on wide speed rushes which is usually his Achilles’ heel. On the downside, he did have an inexcusable false start penalty in Q3 and was also bull rushed into Allen later in the game. O LINE PASS BLOCK GRADES DION DAWKINS – B VLAD DUCASSE– A RYAN GROY – B- JOHN MILLER – B- JORDAN MILLS – B- TE AND RB BLOCKING ISSUES- While the O Line held up well enough.. it was another story for the Tight Ends and RBs in pass protect. Both Logan Thomas and Marcus Murphy had moments where they were exposed in pass protect q1: 8:43 – Logan Thomas lines up a little to wide after going into motion and whiffs on blitzer q1: 1:17 – Marcus Murphy shows poor technique and is overpowered by the blizting CB JOSH ALLEN UNFORCED ERRORS – By my count JA had 10 unforced errors. Several of these were inaccurate throws where he was not under duress. Hopefully this was due more to nerves than an innate innacuracy problem. Several other unforced errors were situations where the o line picked up the pass rushers but #17 didn’t appear to account for the unblocked blitzer and therefore didn’t hit his hot route. There was one instance where he could have stepped up into the pocket to avoid the rush but instead bailed left and into the arms of a DE. The good news is.. it appears that Allen’s natural instinct is to shuffle up into the pocket to avoid a rush. The really good news is that he climbed the pocket for his two best throws at the end of the game in a pressured situation. NOT GOING THROUGH HIS READS Q1 3:44 – Allen does a nice PA fake here freezing second level defenders, he has time is looking deep but doesn’t go all the way through his progressions as he does not see Charles Clay wide open to his left -NOT CLIMBING THE POCKET Q2: 15:00 – The pocket closes in on Allen .. however.. he has a window in front of him to climb the pocket to avoid pressure. Unfortunately he bails out to the left into the waiting arms of the DE CLIMBING THE POCKET Q4: 1:22 – Here is a clip showing Allen climbing the pocket and finding success. This one should give Bills fans butterflies… SACK BLAME The O Line/ TEs RBs appeared to be accountable for 2/6 of the sacks Allen appeared to be accountable for 3/6 of the sacks The Chargers 1/6 : They had one blitz late in the game that was a masterpiece where neither Allen nor the O Line appeared to be at blame GAME SUMMARY The O Line was definetly not the weak link against the Chargers. This is especially impressive as the Chargers blitzed on almost every passing down up until the 4th quarter. For the most part the O Line appeared to pick up the right man on these blitzes. There were multiple times where there was an extra defender that a lineman or RB/TE were not around to pick up and these are the plays where the QB is accountable for that free blitzer. Hopefully Allen will learn to recognize these situations and either audible out.. or hit a hot route to burn these blitzes. As these are high level skills that take a while to develop for most QBs you can expect the Vikings and other future opponents to bring the kitchen sink against #17 until he can show he can counter it. Allen was effective several times running to counter the blitz.. however.. that will not always be an option for him in those free blitzer situations. I also did not see any holding calls on the Bills O Lineman in pass protect. which is a huge step forward from the Ravens game. That being said Mills and Dawkins had inexcusable False Start penalties. All in all though.. the O Line did a great job cleaning up the dirty laundry compared to week 1. A more obvious weak link were the inexperienced players TE Thomas and RB Murphy who both struggled to effectively pass protect. Again.. with young players comes growing pains but if these two continue to play poorly in pass protect it will be hard for Daboll to trust them and put them in the lineup going forward. So.. in order for the Bills to make progress on offense they need to improve in several areas Allen needs to relax and reduce inaccurate throws when not under duress TEs/RBs need to step up their game in pass protect Allen needs to get better at recognizing unaccounted for blitzers and find a way to make positive play out of situations Allen needs to continue to climb the pocket when he can instead of bailing left or right. With his height he should be able to do the Tom Brady shuffle and stay in the pocket more. __ _____ SIGNIFICANT PLAYS q1 11:32 – SACK – John Miller late getting to S blitz that appeared to be his responsibility q1 8:43- SACK – Logan Thomas whiffs on blocking his assignment q1 3:44- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen nice PA fake, has time , doesn’t see open Charles Clay Q1 1:23- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen rolls left and overthrows easy short pass to Murphy Q1 1:17- Marcus Murphy overpowered by CB blitz forcing Allen to throw early q2 15:00 – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen has a window to climb the pocket to avoid pass rush but bails left into arms of DE q2 1:05 – FALSE START – Dion Dawkins q2 :59- SACK – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen does not account for unblocked #54 .. should have likely gone hot route to McCoy in flat.. takes sack q3: 12:35- Allen does excellent job running to avoid the free blitzer picking up solid gain instead of taking sack q3 11:15- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen rolls right in red zone, has Clay open on out route in end zone but hesitates and throws too late incomplete q3 6:58- SACK – UNFORCED ERROR — Allen does not see blitz coming.. should’ve have likely identified it and thrown hot route to Jones in flat q3 5:45 – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen has time but delivers inaccurate throw to Holmes on sideline behind him which is dropped q3 2:54- UNFORCED ERROR – Groy can’t hold his block and his man flushes Allen out of the pocket. Allen runs right .. should’ve thrown ball away OOB but forces it and throws INT q4 7:11 – FALSE START – Jordan Mills q4 -7:11 – UNFORCED ERROR – INT – Allen has time in his own end zone, noone open, should’ve thrown it away but forces pass that is intercepted q4 2:58 – Mills bullrushed into Allen forcing him out of pocket q4 1:55 – SACK – Masterfully disguised blitz by LA.. can’t really blame this on O Line or Allen q4: 1:22- Allen climbs dirty pocket and throws 25 yd strike into tight window to Holmes q4 – Allen again hangs in pocket and throws bullet to Benjamin in end zone for TD Edited September 21, 2018 by Bocephuz 4 15
Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2018 Author Posted September 21, 2018 updated with content pasted into post... flame away:)
NewEra Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 I appreciate the work you do. Thank you 2 1
Big C Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Appreciate the work. Hoping Allen shows some improvements in his second start. Happy to see all these reports that the line is doing fairly well. 1
John from Riverside Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Appreciate this Does the metric account account for run blocking as well or only pass blocking. 1
Gugny Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 @Bocephuz - These breakdowns are awesome and I'm glad to see you back doing them. Thanks for the hard work. Go Bills! 2 1
HappyDays Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 This confirmed what I saw. The offensive line is holding up well enough and Daboll's scheme is working. Allen needs to see the field better and the receivers need to do better. 2 1
GoBills808 Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: This confirmed what I saw. The offensive line is holding up well enough and Daboll's scheme is working. Allen needs to see the field better and the receivers need to do better. I'd add they need to step up the run blocking and McCoy needs to get going or the pass game isn't ever going to succeed. 3
Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2018 Author Posted September 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Big C said: Appreciate the work. Hoping Allen shows some improvements in his second start. Happy to see all these reports that the line is doing fairly well. yeah.. im sort of shocked that Mills is playing as well as he is but the tape don’t lie 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Appreciate this Does the metric account account for run blocking as well or only pass blocking. great question.. pass protection only. evaluating run blocking too confusing for me to attempt
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Bocephuz said: Article on unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not? I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did / How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there). There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate. I've also posted this on buildingherd.com.. see link below https://buildingherd.com/2018/09/21/bills-la-wk-2-all-22-oline-qb-unforced-error-analysis As always.. let's hear your comments/thoughts. Bills/LA Wk 2: All-22 OLine/Qb Unforced Error Analysis Date: September 21, 2018Author: cfuller0 Comments — Edit Unforced errors.. bad throws/ How did the O Line do?/ What mistakes are on the O-Line.. what ones are not? I watched the NFL rewind all 22 and here is my unofficial count of how the O-Line did /How the QB did on every pass play (I may have missed a snap or two here or there). There also may be a few extra pass attempts that were cancelled due to penalties but this should be 95% accurate. Sufficient protection means that Josh Allen had time to hit his drop and had at least a second to scan the field. DISCLAIMER (I am not a coach, I don’t know the hot reads or route combinations called.. this is just my educated perception of what happened on each pass play) _______ ______________________ TOTAL PASS PLAYS: 40 LINE BREAKDOWNS: 8/40 snaps – 20% In other words Allen didn’t really have a chance on 20% of his drop backs. Based on historical data the threshold for average O Line performance has been around a 20% breakdown rate.. so lets say the O Line play (including TEs../RBs more on that later) was right at average against LA in pass protect. SUFFICIENT PROTECTION: 32- 40 snaps or 80%. In other words QB had a relatively clean pocket 80% of the time. UNFORCED QB ERRORS: 10/40 snaps or 25%. Based on my 2015/16 studies if the Bills’ QBs commit 5 unforced QB errors or less during a game their odds of winning are very favorable. Josh Allen had 10 unforced errors by my count. This is well above the danger zone. As we will see later.. some of these unf errors were not picking up blitzes and throwing to hot routes. Some were just plain off target throws where he was not under duress. O LINE PERFORMANCE DION DAWKINS – had a really solid day. By my observation there were no obvious pressures given up by DD. VLAD DUCASSE – I’ve been hard on Vlad the past few months but he was OUTSTANDING in pass protect against LA. To my eye he did not give up any pressures. RYAN GROY– Groy was much better this week than against Ravens. However.. he had one obviously bad play where he did not sustain his block .. which indirectly led to an Allen INT JOHN MILLER – Miller had a bit of a rough start (giving up a sack early as shown below) but he rallied to play much better as the game went on. q1:11:32 -Early in the first quarter #76 is slow to pick up the safety blitz resulting in a sack which Allen had no chance to avoid JORDAN MILLS – Mills was generally solid against a very tough matchup against Melvin Ingram. He did a good job of handling Ingram on wide speed rushes which is usually his Achilles’ heel. On the downside, he did have an inexcusable false start penalty in Q3 and was also bull rushed into Allen later in the game. O LINE PASS BLOCK GRADES DION DAWKINS – B VLAD DUCASSE– A RYAN GROY – B- JOHN MILLER – B- JORDAN MILLS – B- TE AND RB BLOCKING ISSUES- While the O Line held up well enough.. it was another story for the Tight Ends and RBs in pass protect. Both Logan Thomas and Marcus Murphy had moments where they were exposed in pass protect q1: 8:43 – Logan Thomas lines up a little to wide after going into motion and whiffs on blitzer q1: 1:17 – Marcus Murphy shows poor technique and is overpowered by the blizting CB JOSH ALLEN UNFORCED ERRORS – By my count JA had 10 unforced errors. Several of these were inaccurate throws where he was not under duress. Hopefully this was due more to nerves than an innate innacuracy problem. Several other unforced errors were situations where the o line picked up the pass rushers but #17 didn’t appear to account for the unblocked blitzer and therefore didn’t hit his hot route. There was one instance where he could have stepped up into the pocket to avoid the rush but instead bailed left and into the arms of a DE. The good news is.. it appears that Allen’s natural instinct is to shuffle up into the pocket to avoid a rush. The really good news is that he climbed the pocket for his two best throws at the end of the game in a pressured situation. NOT GOING THROUGH HIS READS Q1 3:44 – Allen does a nice PA fake here freezing second level defenders, he has time is looking deep but doesn’t go all the way through his progressions as he does not see Charles Clay wide open to his left -NOT CLIMBING THE POCKET Q2: 15:00 – The pocket closes in on Allen .. however.. he has a window in front of him to climb the pocket to avoid pressure. Unfortunately he bails out to the left into the waiting arms of the DE CLIMBING THE POCKET Q4: 1:22 – Here is a clip showing Allen climbing the pocket and finding success. This one should give Bills fans butterflies… SACK BLAME The O Line/ TEs RBs appeared to be accountable for 2/6 of the sacks Allen appeared to be accountable for 3/6 of the sacks The Chargers 1/6 : They had one blitz late in the game that was a masterpiece where neither Allen nor the O Line appeared to be at blame GAME SUMMARY The O Line was definetly not the weak link against the Chargers. This is especially impressive as the Chargers blitzed on almost every passing down up until the 4th quarter. For the most part the O Line appeared to pick up the right man on these blitzes. There were multiple times where there was an extra defender that a lineman or RB/TE were not around to pick up and these are the plays where the QB is accountable for that free blitzer. Hopefully Allen will learn to recognize these situations and either audible out.. or hit a hot route to burn these blitzes. As these are high level skills that take a while to develop for most QBs you can expect the Vikings and other future opponents to bring the kitchen sink against #17 until he can show he can counter it. Allen was effective several times running to counter the blitz.. however.. that will not always be an option for him in those free blitzer situations. I also did not see any holding calls on the Bills O Lineman in pass protect. which is a huge step forward from the Ravens game. That being said Mills and Dawkins had inexcusable False Start penalties. All in all though.. the O Line did a great job cleaning up the dirty laundry compared to week 1. A more obvious weak link were the inexperienced players TE Thomas and RB Murphy who both struggled to effectively pass protect. Again.. with young players comes growing pains but if these two continue to play poorly in pass protect it will be hard for Daboll to trust them and put them in the lineup going forward. So.. in order for the Bills to make progress on offense they need to improve in several areas Allen needs to relax and reduce inaccurate throws when not under duress TEs/RBs need to step up their game in pass protect Allen needs to get better at recognizing unaccounted for blitzers and find a way to make positive play out of situations Allen needs to continue to climb the pocket when he can instead of bailing left or right. With his height he should be able to do the Tom Brady shuffle and stay in the pocket more. __ _____ SIGNIFICANT PLAYS q1 11:32 – SACK – John Miller late getting to S blitz that appeared to be his responsibility q1 8:43- SACK – Logan Thomas whiffs on blocking his assignment q1 3:44- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen nice PA fake, has time , doesn’t see open Charles Clay Q1 1:23- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen rolls left and overthrows easy short pass to Murphy Q1 1:17- Marcus Murphy overpowered by CB blitz forcing Allen to throw early q2 15:00 – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen has a window to climb the pocket to avoid pass rush but bails left into arms of DE q2 1:05 – FALSE START – Dion Dawkins q2 :59- SACK – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen does not account for unblocked #54 .. should have likely gone hot route to McCoy in flat.. takes sack q3: 12:35- Allen does excellent job running to avoid the free blitzer picking up solid gain instead of taking sack q3 11:15- UNFORCED ERROR – Allen rolls right in red zone, has Clay open on out route in end zone but hesitates and throws too late incomplete q3 6:58- SACK – UNFORCED ERROR — Allen does not see blitz coming.. should’ve have likely identified it and thrown hot route to Jones in flat q3 5:45 – UNFORCED ERROR – Allen has time but delivers inaccurate throw to Holmes on sideline behind him which is dropped q3 2:54- UNFORCED ERROR – Groy can’t hold his block and his man flushes Allen out of the pocket. Allen runs right .. should’ve thrown ball away OOB but forces it and throws INT q4 7:11 – FALSE START – Jordan Mills q4 -7:11 – UNFORCED ERROR – INT – Allen has time in his own end zone, noone open, should’ve thrown it away but forces pass that is intercepted q4 2:58 – Mills bullrushed into Allen forcing him out of pocket q4 1:55 – SACK – Masterfully disguised blitz by LA.. can’t really blame this on O Line or Allen q4: 1:22- Allen climbs dirty pocket and throws 25 yd strike into tight window to Holmes q4 – Allen again hangs in pocket and throws bullet to Benjamin in end zone for TD Really good job, thanks. Can you comment more on what you see as Allen's inaccurate throws when not under duress? Mostly what I saw was when he was rolling out, he sometimes didn't re-set or re-set poorly. You might say he wasn't under duress in that sometimes he could have stepped up or, if he threw earlier thrown before the duress get there, but at the point of throw I saw some kind of duress. The exception was those pesky short throws, where his accuracy is still hit and miss. 7 minutes ago, Bocephuz said: great question.. pass protection only. evaluating run blocking too confusing for me to attempt I'm actually having a whack at that now
Bocephuz Posted September 21, 2018 Author Posted September 21, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 6:06 PM, Gray Beard said: Where’s @Bocephuz? I always enjoyed his informal, non-expert, highly informative, complete, and easy to follow breakdowns of line play. No sarcasm intended. I’m being serious. 13 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Really good job, thanks. Can you comment more on what you see as Allen's inaccurate throws when not under duress? Mostly what I saw was when he was rolling out, he sometimes didn't re-set or re-set poorly. You might say he wasn't under duress in that sometimes he could have stepped up or, if he threw earlier thrown before the duress get there, but at the point of throw I saw some kind of duress. The exception was those pesky short throws, where his accuracy is still hit and miss. I'm actually having a whack at that now Thanks.. . Throws Not Under Duress - I think its a case by case thing. I think on the shorter roll out throws like with DeMarco and the one he missed to Murray he is overthinking and trying to take too much off the ball which is unnatural for him. EJ used to do that on a lot of throws. I'd have to rewatch to see if it was any particular technique on those rollout throws.. my instinct tells me it is nerves more than specific technique. A lot of other quarterbacks execute those throws from crazy arm angles/ awkard feet position just fine. I think some of the other inaccurate intermediate throws are mostly due to him not gettng the ball out on time and in rhythm. He is waiting a beat to long and trying to rocket it in instead of anticipating and leading his receiver. Interested to see the run game breakdown.
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 nice work. thanks. I really hope Allen turns the corner and plays like Baker. 1
1st&ten Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 I get a kick how the national media as already proclaimed the Bills O line as terrible---they don't have a clue----they're just repeating the narrative from some one else. They're too busy following the " hot shot teams". They're still trying to built up Dallas as an elite franchise & contender. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 38 minutes ago, Bocephuz said: Thanks.. . Throws Not Under Duress - I think its a case by case thing. I think on the shorter roll out throws like with DeMarco and the one he missed to Murray he is overthinking and trying to take too much off the ball which is unnatural for him. EJ used to do that on a lot of throws. I'd have to rewatch to see if it was any particular technique on those rollout throws.. my instinct tells me it is nerves more than specific technique. A lot of other quarterbacks execute those throws from crazy arm angles/ awkard feet position just fine. I think some of the other inaccurate intermediate throws are mostly due to him not gettng the ball out on time and in rhythm. He is waiting a beat to long and trying to rocket it in instead of anticipating and leading his receiver. Interested to see the run game breakdown. Run game isn't pretty. I'll give you the 1040EZ right now: every run play I've looked at so far involves use of cut blocks, which if done right put defender and OLman on the turf. I see our OLmen on the turf right enough, but have yet to see a defender taken down. On one run play to RT, the opposite side defensive end made the tackle. Dawkins crossed in front of him, evidently assigned to pull, but whoever was supposed to block that guy totally whiffed it. Crazy bad. Question: on a play like 2ND & 4 AT BUF 31(08:43) where the all-22 lists it as a run play "J.Allen up the middle to BUF 25 for -6 yards (D.James)" do you score that as a run or as a pass? It was a fake handoff to Shady where the unblocked defender nailed Allen just afterwards, but it seems pretty obvious it was intended for a pass. How did you score that one? Derwin James crossed the formation with Thomas, hinting at man, but then he blitzed and came in unblocked. Who do you put that on? (not in any way criticism just wanting to understand how you see it)
Luka Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 23 minutes ago, 1st&ten said: I get a kick how the national media as already proclaimed the Bills O line as terrible---they don't have a clue----they're just repeating the narrative from some one else. They're too busy following the " hot shot teams". They're still trying to built up Dallas as an elite franchise & contender. When you have RBs and TEs not pulling their weight in pass protection, it does make the line look worse. The run blocking scheme they are attempting to use is atrocious. That also makes the line look bad. And while these grades are nice and all, Miller and Groy are consistently man handled at the point of attack. Passing lanes/line of sight are a mess and they typically seem to be JUST barely blocking people. A good illustration is the first picture of Miller totally out of sorts and the third image down Groy frantically looking side to side and then just getting enough of the rusher to call it a block. OP is real generous with his grades, must be some common core sliding scale thing.
BillsFan130 Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Thank you sir. Always look forward to your write ups
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