SI - Josh Allen, Thrown to the Wolves

[TheElectricCompany]

Fire away!

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/18/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-rookie-starting-quarterback

 

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“He couldn’t possibly be in a worse position to succeed,” says Mark Shepard, 36, a lifelong Bills fan.

 

[4_kidd_4]

Well if Mark Shepard says so...

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Fire away!

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/18/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-rookie-starting-quarterback

 

 

It's irrelevant.  People who succeed will do it regardless of the circumstances they are given.  If they have the talent, it won't matter. People who say this type of stuff are much more like Vontae Davis than Kyle Williams.  When the going gets tough they just cry and whine and pack up their things and go home.  PRetty sure Mark Sheppard is not very successful, people who are don't think like that.

Edited September 19, 2018 by matter2003

[Matt_In_NH]

Maybe he is a Wolf slayer

[Clyde Smith]

Mark Shepard is probably a TBD message board member. Ok dude, who are you on here lol?

[416BillsFan]

Thanks OP, good article. The story was pretty balanced, giving both sides the sitting/starting argument a fair shake.

[TheElectricCompany]

5 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

PRetty sure Mark Sheppard is not very successful, people who are don't think like that.

If he really was the one who kicked off the table smashing, then I greatly value his contributions to the community. 

[Jay_Fixit]

Yet another moron saying Tyrod “lead the Bills to the playoffs.”

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

8 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said:

Fire away!

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/09/18/josh-allen-buffalo-bills-rookie-starting-quarterback

 

 

Well, if you draw up a situation for ANY rookie QB to come into this is not a place that screams "mold a young QB"

 

-No vet QB on roster to help in film room

-Culley the QB coach that specializes in WRs

-Daboll no track record of developing a QB

-Horrible oline in front of him

-Not good weapons around him

-Defense minded Head Coach

 

I do think however Allen is going to be a good one. One thing I think works in his favor is he's playing the Chargers, Vikings and other top defenses right away. Getting his feet wet against a tsunami so to speak.

 

2nd half of the year I can really see him slow the game down against the "middle of the pack" defenses and start to shine.

[87168]

3 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Yet another moron saying Tyrod “lead the Bills to the playoffs.”

 

 

sorry that hurts you 

 

anyway, Josh was not put in the best position to succeed, but we'll see how this all plays out.

Edited September 19, 2018 by 87168

[wppete]

 

[BananaB]

I see David Carr is still making excuses why he was a ****ty player. Little brother Derek had no problem being tossed to the wolves. 

5 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said:

Yet another moron saying Tyrod “lead the Bills to the playoffs.”

 

 

 

The minute you read or hear this you know they never watched the Bills play last year. 

[Heitz]

11 minutes ago, 416BillsFan said:

Thanks OP, good article. The story was pretty balanced, giving both sides the sitting/starting argument a fair shake.

 

I actually agree with this mostly - while the headline is clickbait, the beginning is harsh and there are some of those come on man moments (Tyrod, a player literally quit at halftime), they do point out some of the positives we might see along the way...

 

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Yet, even with seemingly all factors conspiring against him, the rookie’s confidence did not appear to get shaken. He displayed poise, stayed steady in the pocket on the rare snaps there was one, and clearly improved as the game went on.

 

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[ALF]

The only expectations for this season are for Allen and Edmunds to develop with no pressure to make the playoffs.

 

It looks like both are mature enough to learn from their mistakes. As long as the fans don't boo them and let them learn the hard way. 

[Juice_32]

11 minutes ago, mattynh said:

Maybe he is a Wolf slayer

 

Yep. People use the term "thrown to the wolves" as if it is always a bad thing. Everyone has situations in their life where they have been "thrown to the wolves". Sometimes you get eaten alive yes, but sometimes you step up like you did not know you were capable of. Most situations in my life where I have really grown as a human being were just such situations. 

 

This is exactly why you draft a prospect based upon more than just physical talent. This kid grew up on a farm, went to a tiny HS, didn't initially get a D1 offer and when he did he had to strap the team on his back every week to give them a chance. I have a hunch that Allen's got some wolf slayer in him. 

[TheElectricCompany]

This is not about growing or stepping up. This is about become a top tier franchise QB and if the Bills have created the right environment for that goal. 

He's a top 10 pick. Isn't it assumed that he is resilient, driven and tough as nails? 

I believe Allen is all of those things, but those will not be the primary reason he succeeds or fails.  

[iinii]

15 minutes ago, BananaB said:

I see David Carr is still making excuses why he was a ****ty player. Little brother Derek had no problem being tossed to the wolves. 

 

The minute you read or hear this you know they never watched the Bills play last year. 

Derek and David played in two very different situations. The Raiders have generally had a solid offensive line, manned by top draft choices. The expansion Texans had turnstiles up front. 

[Nihilarian]

38 minutes ago, matter2003 said:

It's irrelevant.  People who succeed will do it regardless of the circumstances they are given.  If they have the talent, it won't matter. People who say this type of stuff are much more like Vontae Davis than Kyle Williams.  When the going gets tough they just cry and whine and pack up their things and go home.  PRetty sure Mark Sheppard is not very successful, people who are don't think like that.

This is baloney. QB's that go to bad teams usually end up on the scrap heap and the some that do succeed like Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman didn't go to teams as bad as the current Buffalo Bills. Manning was only sacked 22 times his first year at Indy and Aikman was only sacked 19 times at Dallas. Meanwhile Allen has already been sacked 8 times in a game and a half. 

 

While David Carr was sacked 79 times and referred to as a tackling dummy...the Bills QBs are on a pace to beat that number with 88 as Josh with 8, Peterman with 3 in a little over a half. 

 

The article mentions Manning but doesn't say he was only sacked 22 times because he also had some decent talent on his offensive line to protect him. He also had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison on that team. It was Manning learning the ropes with a 56.7 completion percentage and with 26 TDs, 28 Ints. 

 

As for Aikman his offensive line was arguably the very best the NFL has ever seen with LT Mark Tuinei 15 years with Dallas, LG Nate Newton 13 years with Dallas, Center Tom Raftery 14 years with Dallas, RG Crawford Kerr 6 years with Dallas, RT Kevin Cogan 7 years with Dallas, 14 in the NFL. Aikman learning the NFL ropes  9 TDs, 18 INTs with a 52.9 completion percentage. 

 

**What's interesting to me is the same year the team drafted Aikman #1 overall they also drafted OG Steve Wisniewski with the 29th pick (second round) and center Mark Stepnoski with the #57th pick (3rd round). So, it looks like the Cowboys FO went out of their way to make sure that pick at QB was well protected. 

 

 

Like I said, you throw a rookie QB on a bad team that can't protect him and he usually ends up on the scrap heap. If Allen even survives this season it will be a miracle. 

Edited September 19, 2018 by Nihilarian

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

This is baloney. QB's that go to bad teams usually end up on the scrap heap and the some that do succeed like Peyton Manning, Troy Aikman didn't go to teams as bad as the current Buffalo Bills. Manning was only sacked 22 times his first year at Indy and Aikman was only sacked 19 times at Dallas. Meanwhile Allen has already been sacked 8 times in a game and a half. 

 

While David Carr was sacked 79 times and referred to as a tackling dummy...the Bills QBs are on a pace to beat that number with 88 as Josh with 8, Peterman with 3 in a little over a half. 

 

The article mentions Manning but doesn't say he was only sacked 22 times because he also had some decent talent on his offensive line to protect him. He also had Marshall Faulk, Marvin Harrison on that team. It was Manning learning the ropes with a 56.7 completion percentage and with 26 TDs, 28 Ints. 

 

As for Aikman his offensive line was arguably the very best the NFL has ever seen with LT Mark Tuinei 15 years with Dallas, LG Nate Newton 13 years with Dallas, Center Tom Raftery 14 years with Dallas, RG Crawford Kerr 6 years with Dallas, RT Kevin Cogan 7 years with Dallas, 14 in the NFL. Aikman learning the NFL ropes  9 TDs, 18 INTs with a 52.9 completion percentage. 

 

Like I said, you throw a rookie QB on a bad team that can't protect him and he usually ends up on the scrap heap. If Allen even survives this season it will be a miracle. 

You say this scenario usually means a guy ends up on the scrap heap, and name one guy.  Brilliant.

[Jay_Fixit]

30 minutes ago, 87168 said:

sorry that hurts you 

 

anyway, Josh was not put in the best position to succeed, but we'll see how this all plays out.

Your lack of capitalization hurts me more than what he wrote.