The Draft Network's Jon Ledyard Eviscerates Allen’s Week 2 Performance

[Mrbojanglezs]

He's evaluating him on the same standard as a 10 year vet. All we can ask is that he improves each week. These guys are just going to try to prove their pre draft grade was correct 

Edited September 26, 2018 by Mrbojanglezs

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 9/23/2018 at 5:08 PM, MAJBobby said:

 

I am sure even on the good throws he will say it came ou late. Look here mor touch needed. Blah blah blah

 

Well, y'all can wander over to his twitter feed and judge for yourself.  I'd rather let this speak for itself than give my take on it.

https://twitter.com/LedyardNFLDraft

 

[Bray Wyatt]

You can just tell the bias on these though, the one with the guy hitting him at the throw is "fairly accurate", the one where he leaves the pocket he refers to as panicking, the Ivory play, he has a guy who hasnt cleared the other defender and then a guy is in his face, so he runs. He references him being a 3rd round grade even in his commentary, but then says its because he is competitive? that doesnt add up either, felt like just a reason to get that in there 

[BringBackFergy]

John Ledyard

Page issues

 

John Ledyard (November 1751 – 10 January 1789) was an English  explorer and adventurer.

John Ledyard
Born	November 1751 Groton, Connecticut
Died	10 January 1789(aged 37) Cairo, Egypt
Nationality	American
Education	Dartmouth College
Occupation	Explorer

 

 

Early life
 

 

This guy criticizing Josh Allen is a !@#$ing explorer!!! And he’s dead. What does he know about QB’s??? 

Edited September 26, 2018 by BringBackFergy

[Bray Wyatt]

1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

John Ledyard

Page issues

 

John Ledyard (November 1751 – 10 January 1789) was an English  explorer and adventurer.

John Ledyard
Born	November 1751 Groton, Connecticut
Died	10 January 1789(aged 37) Cairo, Egypt
Nationality	American
Education	Dartmouth College
Occupation	Explorer

 

 

Early life
 

 

From Connecticut, I knew he was a Pats fan!!

[Big C]

49 minutes ago, MTBill said:

Is he this hard on all the QBs?

 

It sure seems with his language that he's convinced Allen is not what we believe he is.  But maybe he's this hard on everyone.

 

He isn't just an analytics guy the way he is breaking down plays.  a typical analytics guy is only looking at stats/numbers....

 

At the end of the day - I really don't care what the opinion is of these folks.  If Allen is getting wins - and improving, then he is what I want him to be.  If he's not getting wins but still improving I'll also be happy....  Regardless of these op-ed pieces.

 

 

I don't think he's being too hard. He clearly gives Allen kudos for the improvements he made. I have no issues with these guys analyzing the film and expecting more from a young guy over time. Grade the film for Allen the same as you would Brady. These are unbiased analytics guys. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

..."Allen had a 3rd rd grade from me".........so this proclaimed urinalist is a tad PO'ed 'cause the kid played better than a 3rd I take it?......

[TheBrownBear]

10 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said:

He references him being a 3rd round grade even in his commentary, but then says its because he is competitive? that doesnt add up either, felt like just a reason to get that in there 

 

I think he's saying that his draft analytics have him as even worse than a 3rd round grade, but he bumped him up to that spot because of his competitiveness.  He basically thinks JA has Nathan Peterman potential.  lol.

[DuckyBoys]

Here is John Ledyard obsessing over JA

[MTBill]

I'm an analytics guy - data science is very helpful.

 

One thing though - it's only as helpful as what you put into it.  Sports analytics is still a relatively young field and there are a LOT of variables unaccounted for.

 

So - it is a bit annoying that this guy does not seem to acknowledge his grade could be wrong...  It would be a fascinating case study if these people were to run the same analytics over the data on some HOF QBs against their college careers.  I suspect what they'd find out is that analytics isn't the whole story and they need to tweak their models to get better at it.  If all other talent/opponents college QBs faced were equal - you could focus on the measurable from only the QB.  But in reality, surrounding talent/coaching/opponents are vastly wide ranging - and that has a huge impact on the QB's measureables.

 

It's OK to be wrong John Ledyard.  Stop throwing crap like "this is why I had him as a 3rd round pick" in your weekly breakdown.  Critique him on the evidence before you, sans your prior judgement.

 

[K-9]

This guy is a class A asshat. After two and a half games of experience, Allen is still looking for consistency? Genius, in-depth insight and analysis there. 

 

I’m interested to see his “grades” for the other QBs in the clsss. 

[zevo]

4 minutes ago, K-9 said:

This guy is a class A asshat. After two and a half games of experience, Allen is still looking for consistency? Genius, in-depth insight and analysis there. 

 

I’m interested to see his “grades” for the other QBs in the clsss. 

This dudes needs to be trolled hard.....he is a pompous ****head....I don’t mind being critical or skeptical about a player but he gets off on Allen being bad

[H2o]

So.........without reading through this whole thread to try and find out, has Ledtard apologized yet? 

[K-9]

4 minutes ago, zevo said:

This dudes needs to be trolled hard.....he is a pompous ****head....I don’t mind being critical or skeptical about a player but he gets off on Allen being bad

Well, he has an entrenched position. AFAIK, he is the only “pundit” who gave Allen a 3rd round grade. His very credibility as a talent evaluator is on the line every time Allen shows promise and contradicts that position. 

[dickleyjones]

20 minutes ago, MTBill said:

I'm an analytics guy - data science is very helpful.

 

One thing though - it's only as helpful as what you put into it.  Sports analytics is still a relatively young field and there are a LOT of variables unaccounted for.

  

So - it is a bit annoying that this guy does not seem to acknowledge his grade could be wrong...  It would be a fascinating case study if these people were to run the same analytics over the data on some HOF QBs against their college careers.  I suspect what they'd find out is that analytics isn't the whole story and they need to tweak their models to get better at it.  If all other talent/opponents college QBs faced were equal - you could focus on the measurable from only the QB.  But in reality, surrounding talent/coaching/opponents are vastly wide ranging - and that has a huge impact on the QB's measureables.

  

It's OK to be wrong John Ledyard.  Stop throwing crap like "this is why I had him as a 3rd round pick" in your weekly breakdown.  Critique him on the evidence before you, sans your prior judgement.

 

 

I have to wonder how much these self professed "analytics guys" actually have any education on the matter. it wouldn't take much to know that the statistics they have available don't support the conclusions they draw from them. yes data science is helpful but only if you know how to do science properly.

[Doc]

Again, did this guy do analyses of Mayfield and Darnold's last 2 games?

[Domdab99]

I mean, the videos he posted from this last week aren't wrong...but I think the rest of his just give Allen a little slack because he's so raw and new. 

[wppete]

Does Jon Ledyard still have a job after that? Moron.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, Big C said:

These are unbiased analytics guys. 

 

No such thing. These guys revere analytics as though it was religion.

 

[Paulus]

1 hour ago, K-9 said:

Well, he has an entrenched position. AFAIK, he is the only “pundit” who gave Allen a 3rd round grade. His very credibility as a talent evaluator is on the line every time Allen shows promise and contradicts that position. 

Does this work grammatically? Srs.