GoBills808 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: He was a backup there too. He wasn’t a high end player. He was a redshirt senior that caught 14 balls last year. He will catch more than that this year on the Bills. IMO, he’s not a good example to support that point. True. I guess my point is that there exists, right now, more NFL talent on the Bills than NFL talent on Alabama and I just can't accept otherwise. Even the guys who are surefire first round locks aren't likely to be any better at their position than, say, Micah Hyde or Hughes or Lorenzo Alexander or White or McCoy or Poyer or hell Ivory or Murphy. They're just as likely to be Trent Richardson or AJ McCarron as Julio Jones.
GrizzReaper Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They used to have the nfl champion play a college all star team which would be amazing to watch now. I think it ended like in the 70s. That would be pretty cool I'd tune in for that... They should bring it back
nedboy7 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 The real question is could the Bama linebackers beat the Warriors in a 7 game series. I think they can. 1
Bing Bong Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: That’s why I have the Bills beating them. If you could have every guy on both rosters at age 25 it may be different. That was what I was getting at. The Bills guys and any NFL guys are further along physically than 95% of college players. There are rare exceptions (like Leonard Fournette was). No in like no world! Even if they all stuck together as a team under Nick Saban until they are at their prime a full roster ranging from 24 to 28.. we would clean their clock like 90-3. Any Alabama team or any other great college team, Ohio State. Give me any team. Any version of the Miami U! grown up.. same situation. Yes they'd have some amazing players in a lot of positions but any college team ever would have at best a handful of guys that either a) get drafted late and exposed and never sniff the 53 man roster or b) never sniff the draft at all. Maybe play arena football if they even wanted to keep playing at that point. Those guys would get smoked. Put Hughes on their weak center/guard/tackle.. wherever those handful of guys are and he'd have sack lunch. Like 20. Even our worst players.. give Murphy a carry to the same side every. Single. Play. And he'd have a 50/50 chance at smoking his matchups and taking it to the house.. the safety Saban is hiding behind his Honey Badger safety (I don't know the bama roster) can't hide. He'd get run over by Murphy like he's not even on the field. Hell Peterman could start as long as we run it every down (we might lose if Peterman is passing honestly). We have bad NFL talent, and even if I were to agree with people saying we don't have NFL talent, they were all really damn good players in college. It's the matchups. The talent disparity between Julio Jones and like.. Leonard Johnson's would feel like nothing compared to the talent disparity between friggin Robert Thomas and Joe Blow at Guard. Wouldn't even matter if we played Jim Kelly at the U in their prime in some hypothetical scenario.. we'd have really good chance to take it to the house, get a sack, turnover, fumble like every single play. It's having especially bad players starting that can kill you! We just have bad starters, but we don't start 6 variants of Aaron Maybin level talent at any given position and they do. I feel like I'm being trolled into writing this haha I'm reading the forum and can't tell if people really think they'd have a chance in hell. 12 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Side note: I find it simultaneously hilarious and epically sad that despite my strong conviction above. I think we'd definitely be in a toss up if Peterman was gun slinging. Edited September 20, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks
Bing Bong Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: 39 guys were drafted from the 2001 Miami team. That might be more drafted players than the Bills have. Doesn't matter. Ken Dorsey got drafted and would throw 8 pick 6s. The couple of guys that didn't get drafted and started.. would let our guys through every other play for a sack or hurried pick. Their guard and center never went anywhere. no NFL team will ever have that dead weight. Except for Peterman. Actually he's kinda making my point. He's so bad he loses games automatically. Imagine a team that starts 6 of those dudes. Sherko Haji-Rasouli JR 72 Ed Wilkins 66 Brett Romberg
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 Alabama wouldn't know what hit them, they'd be dominated in every facet of the game imo, kids playing against paid professionals, it' wouldn't be close at all.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 34 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: No in like no world! Even if they all stuck together as a team under Nick Saban until they are at their prime a full roster ranging from 24 to 28.. we would clean their clock like 90-3. Any Alabama team or any other great college team, Ohio State. Give me any team. Any version of the Miami U! grown up.. same situation. Yes they'd have some amazing players in a lot of positions but any college team ever would have at best a handful of guys that either a) get drafted late and exposed and never sniff the 53 man roster or b) never sniff the draft at all. Maybe play arena football if they even wanted to keep playing at that point. Those guys would get smoked. Put Hughes on their weak center/guard/tackle.. wherever those handful of guys are and he'd have sack lunch. Like 20. Even our worst players.. give Murphy a carry to the same side every. Single. Play. And he'd have a 50/50 chance at smoking his matchups and taking it to the house.. the safety Saban is hiding behind his Honey Badger safety (I don't know the bama roster) can't hide. He'd get run over by Murphy like he's not even on the field. Hell Peterman could start as long as we run it every down (we might lose if Peterman is passing honestly). We have bad NFL talent, and even if I were to agree with people saying we don't have NFL talent, they were all really damn good players in college. It's the matchups. The talent disparity between Julio Jones and like.. Leonard Johnson's would feel like nothing compared to the talent disparity between friggin Robert Thomas and Joe Blow at Guard. Wouldn't even matter if we played Jim Kelly at the U in their prime in some hypothetical scenario.. we'd have really good chance to take it to the house, get a sack, turnover, fumble like every single play. It's having especially bad players starting that can kill you! We just have bad starters, but we don't start 6 variants of Aaron Maybin level talent at any given position and they do. I feel like I'm being trolled into writing this haha I'm reading the forum and can't tell if people really think they'd have a chance in hell. Side note: I find it simultaneously hilarious and epically sad that despite my strong conviction above. I think we'd definitely be in a toss up if Peterman was gun slinging. That Miami team in my example had 39 players drafted and about a dozen of them were high end players (at least for a period). Andre Johnson, Clinton Portis, Ed Reed, Vince Wilfork, Willis McGahee, Bryant McKinnie, etc... This Bills team wouldn’t have beaten them 90-3 in their respective primes. Specific to this Alabama team they will certainly have 2 (Williams, Pierschbacher), maybe 3 (Cotton) OL starting next year in the NFL. How many guys on this Bills OL will be starting in the NFL next year? 1? Maybe 2? No one thinks that Alabama has a chance but at the same age I think that they would. They have the QB, the running game, the OL and the playmakers on both sides of the ball. They can’t compete with an NFL team at this stage but their talent is ridiculous.
reddogblitz Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 I don't think so because we have Daboll and he has the inside scoop on Alabama. 1
Bing Bong Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said: That Miami team in my example had 39 players drafted and about a dozen of them were high end players (at least for a period). Andre Johnson, Clinton Portis, Ed Reed, Vince Wilfork, Willis McGahee, Bryant McKinnie, etc... This Bills team wouldn’t have beaten them 90-3 in their respective primes. Specific to this Alabama team they will certainly have 2 (Williams, Pierschbacher), maybe 3 (Cotton) OL starting next year in the NFL. How many guys on this Bills OL will be starting in the NFL next year? 1? Maybe 2? No one thinks that Alabama has a chance but at the same age I think that they would. They have the QB, the running game, the OL and the playmakers on both sides of the ball. They can’t compete with an NFL team at this stage but their talent is ridiculous. I don't know Bama but I'm sure there's a safety that doesn't cut it. These teams, at they're best version, have Maybins, Trent Richardsons, whoever the Maybin equivalent at safety. Whoever the Peterman level MLB talent exists. Just drastic holes that pro teams can eat alive because EVERYBODY on their starting roster is a threat. Whereas in college you can have your top dog receiver owning, he'd be in a battle with Tre White, and your receiver depth drops off the charts after that. Same at corner. You can hide that okay-for- college nickel corner since he's taking on the other team's worst WR. We could line up all our running backs in the slot and they'd burn that dude. Even at 25. And that Miami team had Ken Dorsey. We'd be playing Peterman and crush em. No depth. Edited September 20, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks
GunnerBill Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 7 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: Maybe you are making a point that i am missing but are you saying that a player can in the NFL who is not NFL quality? I am sorry but that makes no sense. Yes of course they can.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 So all of their players will get drafted, oh I see .
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 Bama loses a game every year to a college team. No way they even compete with a NFL team.
LeGOATski Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 (edited) Ugh....why did I open this thread. !@#$ Edited September 20, 2018 by LeGOATski !@#$, I just commented in it. 1
The Process Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 A more reasonable question is ....how many Bills starters would not start for Alabama.....? One or two probably. 6 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: They used to have the nfl champion play a college all star team which would be amazing to watch now. I think it ended like in the 70s. I loved those games!!! Wasn't it the other way around though? College champs vs NFL All Stars?
unbillievable Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 The Oline and Dline of the Bills would be tossing those kids around like paper dolls. Every single drive would just be 9 guys escorting McCoy into the end zone. They might even let Peterman throw a few to make it interesting. Benjamin would look like a giant wading through a mob of 6 year olds. Alabama would run out of quarterbacks before halftime. The concussion tent would be full. 1 2
TwistofFate Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 https://www.ncaa.com/news/football/article/2017-09-07/colleges-most-represented-2017-nfl-opening-day-rosters #fanthefire
BigDingus Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 14 minutes ago, unbillievable said: The Oline and Dline of the Bills would be tossing those kids around like paper dolls. Every single drive would just be 9 guys escorting McCoy into the end zone. They might even let Peterman throw a few to make it interesting. Benjamin would look like a giant wading through a mob of 6 year olds. Alabama would run out of quarterbacks before halftime. The concussion tent would be full. I doubt our O-line would do jack, but the D-line would be able to handle them fairly easily. And "Alabama would be ____Insert NFL team_____ this year!" comes around every season. I guess this year we're that team...Not surprised, but as bad as we are, it's also not true. Granted it'd probably be closer than I'd like to imagine, as our O-line is really that bad, and plenty of Alabama linemen on both sides of the ball will be drafted in the first few rounds & become starters next year. Allen isn't some established NFL pro yet, and is fresh out of being an honorable mention Mountain West QB, so it's not like Alabama or Saban would be afraid of him. ]As long as we stuck to running the ball the entire game, and our defense played like they should, we'd still win.
Orlando Buffalo Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 8 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: You find ANY place where I say that guys at 19 are the same as 25. I’ve REPEATEDLY said that a college team couldn’t beat an NFL team. It would be 2 scores or more. You clearly haven’t been paying attention. The point was that when this Alabama roster gets to 25 (like that 2001 Miami team) there will be stars. That 2001 Miami team couldn’t have beaten an NFL team. If you took every guy on that roster though, in their prime, it could have been a really good team (even with Dorsey). No one is talking about 19 and 20 year olds beating men. I have not read the entire thread piece by piece but it would appear that this thread was started by comments claiming 20 year olds could beat the Bills. But if you are simply stating if that Miami team was reconstituted in 2008 that it would be a good pro team i agree. 1
row_33 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 2 hours ago, unbillievable said: The Oline and Dline of the Bills would be tossing those kids around like paper dolls. Every single drive would just be 9 guys escorting McCoy into the end zone. They might even let Peterman throw a few to make it interesting. Benjamin would look like a giant wading through a mob of 6 year olds. Alabama would run out of quarterbacks before halftime. The concussion tent would be full. Alabama has a QB?
Kirby Jackson Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 51 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I have not read the entire thread piece by piece but it would appear that this thread was started by comments claiming 20 year olds could beat the Bills. But if you are simply stating if that Miami team was reconstituted in 2008 that it would be a good pro team i agree. That’s exactly what I am saying. I am saying the same thing here as well.
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