26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 Corrente Roughly Describes Roughing the Passer Call. It Was Rough | Football Zebras Week 2: Vikings at Packers Late in the fourth quarter Packers outside linebacker Clay Matthews was hit with a roughing the passer penalty to extend a drive for the second consecutive week. Unlike last week, there does not seem to be much in this. Matthews contacted Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins as he released the ball and did not drive him into the ground or put his weight into landing on him. It is a tough call for referee Tony Corrente to make in real time compounded by the point of emphasis on quarterback hits this year.
Rocbillsfan1 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Corrente Roughly Describes Roughing the Passer Call. It Was Rough | Football Zebras Week 2: Vikings at Packers Late in the fourth quarter Packers outside linebacker Clay Matthews was hit with a roughing the passer penalty to extend a drive for the second consecutive week. Unlike last week, there does not seem to be much in this. Matthews contacted Vikings quarterback Kirk Cousins as he released the ball and did not drive him into the ground or put his weight into landing on him. It is a tough call for referee Tony Corrente to make in real time compounded by the point of emphasis on quarterback hits this year. Might as well put a red shirt on him 1
Cugalabanza Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 Yeah, I agree. It's a mess. Also very confusing and inconsistent: the occasional blowing of a whistle when a QB is ruled "in the grasp" or "forward momentum" stopped. This usually is the call when it's an excuse to take away a forced fumble from the Bills defense. Also, to some extent, intentional grounding is all over the place in terms of how it's interpreted.
Blokestradamus Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 If that Matthews 'penalty' is going to be sent out as teaching tape for what not to do, what incentive do teams have to play nice with the QB? If that is a penalty, might as well cannonball the QB at the knees on the first snap and get the backup in. 3
RoyBatty is alive Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 I think from the refs angle he thought Matthews put all his weight on the QB, from the angle we see in this thread it is clear he didn't. I understand why the rule, often these 310 pound DT put their weight on the QB on purpose, it doesn't assist in bringing the QB down. Put with the asinine what is a catch anymore in the NFL get used to arbitrary calls like this.
HamSandwhich Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 This is getting nauseating. I'm finding that I'm less interested in the NFL year over year. It's just getting worse. Used to sit and watch games all day long. Flag football it is I guess.
Best Player Available Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 When asked. Von Miller says he now always goes for a strip sack now In an attempt to avoid the roughing the passer. But also admits he's been called a lot for RTP.
Boatdrinks Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) Garbage calls imo. If guys weigh 300 + lbs and they fall on you, so be it. That’s what they weigh, so tell the OL to block better. There was already a rule against body slamming a player ( which didn’t happen in these instances ) so any change was unnecessary. We saw the maddening inconsistency on full display Sunday with forward progress / in the grasp calls involving Allen and Rivers. The NFL needs to stop this nonsense. Players get hurt, including QBs. It’s the nature of the game. Edited September 18, 2018 by Boatdrinks
KD in CA Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 48 minutes ago, row_33 said: bad call happens I can always defend a bad call. I can't defend a phantom call. How do you throw a flag on something you didn't see? That's the problem -- the default reaction is to throw a flag. 1
Utah John Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 The past few years, the NFL couldn't figure out what a completed pass looked like. Now it's how a QB gets sacked. They're just making things so complicated. The completed pass problem came about because the refs blew a call, I think it was with a Cowboys receiver, and then kept telling the same (wrong) story, digging themselves a deeper and deeper hole. The same thing will happen here. Things will likely improve once the aged and brittle Brady retires.
Jerome007 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 I for one completely understand why they want to protect QBs. They often are the stars of the game, and people pay tickets and watch TV to see stars. But what Clay did on this one, damn, that should never be a penalty! WTH
row_33 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, KD in CA said: I can always defend a bad call. I can't defend a phantom call. How do you throw a flag on something you didn't see? That's the problem -- the default reaction is to throw a flag. a really really bad call
4_kidd_4 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 2 hours ago, HamSandwhich said: This is getting nauseating. I'm finding that I'm less interested in the NFL year over year. It's just getting worse. Used to sit and watch games all day long. Flag football it is I guess. Amen. This will be my last year of season tix. Everything you said, plus the fact that our franchise has zero entertainment value whatsoever, from the ownership down to the fans. It’s all so boring and played out.
ctk232 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 5 hours ago, Cugalabanza said: Yeah, I agree. It's a mess. Also very confusing and inconsistent: the occasional blowing of a whistle when a QB is ruled "in the grasp" or "forward momentum" stopped. This usually is the call when it's an excuse to take away a forced fumble from the Bills defense. Also, to some extent, intentional grounding is all over the place in terms of how it's interpreted. Agreed - there's no consistency with the NFL and they'd rather throw a PR title solution at the problem rather than sit down and actually plan out a way to make it happen. The new rule is 100% for PR purposes of protecting players, yet little to nothing has been done to determine how the rule is and should be interpreted. They've effectively red shirted an entire position in the game. To the Bills point, I'm wondering if the past two games had more to do with having Rookie Refs both weeks. Not like the vets call a good game anyway, but at least give us less excuses come Monday... Intentional grounding seems to be this thing that exists everywhere, yet goes unnoticed every time...maybe because the refs are too busy looking at: where the QB got hit; how hard; how far; how long since he threw it; was it actually bad or did it just look bad; is his name Brady; what do I want for dinner tonight; etc. and not so much where the ball is actually being thrown...
row_33 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 11 minutes ago, ctk232 said: To the Bills point, I'm wondering if the past two games had more to do with having Rookie Refs both weeks. Not like the vets call a good game anyway, but at least give us less excuses come Monday... No, not at all.
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