26CornerBlitz Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 Josh Allen, Thrown to the Wolves in Buffalo By BEN BASKIN - September 18, 2018 ORCHARD PARK, N.Y. — The Josh Allen Era began on Sunday with cautious optimism for Bills fans. That feeling has become somewhat rote in Buffalo, where the team has cycled through 17 quarterbacks since Hall-of-Famer Jim Kelly retired after the 1996 season, and every time the Bills switch to a new passer, the faithful invariably hope for the best but expect the worst. This iteration is no different. Besides, the thinking went outside the stadium on Sunday, could it get any worse than Week 1? Facing the Ravens in the opener, the Bills trotted out Nathan Peterman, again, as if his two starts in 2017—one of which was, statistically, the worst for a quarterback in the history of the NFL—never happened. This time around Peterman was better; he only became the first starting quarterback since 2015 to have a 0.0 passer rating. To boot: Buffalo’s 47-3 blowout loss was the largest margin of defeat in the NFL since 2014. 1
ctk232 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 10:58 AM, GrizzReaper said: I read an article uhhh let me put the link https://billswire.usatoday.com/2018/09/17/buffalo-bills-josh-allen-brandon-beane/ Ok so I think us Bills fans really need to pay attention to how this plays out. This article makes a valid point imo. Beane may have severely handicapped Josh Allen this season by not having some sort of vet on the roster to help mentor and guide him. I mentioned in the gameday thread that I thought Allen did ok but he needs work and reps diagnosing defenses, where pressure is coming, setting up his protection. So I'm wondering how important having a wily vet in the QB room may be to his ability to learn that stuff... Who is in the room helping him watch film? I feel like Beane needs to pull some sort of veteran into the building to help this guy learn to be a pro. As it stands I don't see who there is on the Bills staff or roster that can help this guy learn the job quicker. So I think we need to be mindful of that. The fact that Beane put us in this particular position. I'm not going to call for his head or anything just yet but I think we need to be aware of it. If it goes wrong... That's a pretty big blunder imo. From the sound of it he needs a coach more than a vet QB...but not to worry we just worked out Tyler Ferguson... But agreed that the current staff doesn't offer much in the way of resources and knowledge of the QB position...I'd like to see the organization invest in our QB's future by bringing in an actual QB coach, as McDermott is of the defensive school. I don't think signing a vet QB to fill this role would make sense when it's really just for coaching purposes. I think i said it once way back in July, but hell, I'd even throw an offer out to Romo to coach QBs. Still feels weird saying it the second time... 1
K-9 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 So now it’s a prerequisite for a coach to have played the position he’s coaching? Love this place.
Homey D. Clown Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 22 hours ago, Dave Allen said: Kelly already had two years of pro experience, even though it was the USFL, by the time he got to Buffalo. And when he was in Houston he had Bruce Threadgill, who had five years experience with the NFL and CFL, to mentor him. USFL..... meh... not sure I think I agree with this angle...
Just Joshin' Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 This seems to be one of those things that sound good so it must be right. So the key enabler is a back-up who is not successful to mentor a young QB. Do they want to mentor? Are they capable of mentoring? Are they mentoring the same things as the coaches or are they sending a different message? I guess I see talent as the driver and if you have the right mentor he may have a multiplier effect. If Peterman had a great mentor and Allen a poor mentor, would you pick Peterman or Allen to be more successful?
y2zipper Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 4 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think there are two factors. One is, as I said elsewhere - if Beane even reached out, Matt Moore has earned >$20M mostly holding a clipboard. He's now been in Miami 9 years. He's got kids in school, probably playing soccer or softball or PeeWee. He has no motivation to relocate for the season unless Beane backed up the Brinks truck. But when I read Beurlein's quote of Beane that "AJ wasn't who we thought he was", my immediate question was....just who DID you think he was? Because he did have a reasonable set of game film out there, and it kind of said he is what the draft thought he was: a gamer, a good teammate, and a QB who needs a lot of quality pieces around him to function at a game manager level. If they thought AJ would win the job given our OL and WR, why did they think that? If they wanted someone like Keenum, why didn't they go after Keenum? Or Bridgewater? Or anyone known to be able to function as a starter, of which there were an unusually good crop this year? I hear what you're saying about cost, but what does "too much guaranteed money" mean? If you need something, you pay market price. It's water under the bridge now, it just puzzles me Maybe McCarron made a stink about losing the job. I don't know. Clearly, they whiffed. I was thinking more in terms of years as opposed to money. If the goal is to have Allen start in 2019, the Bills don't want to Keenums 21 million hit on the books for next year as it offsets the value of Allen on a rookie deal.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 19, 2018 Posted September 19, 2018 No QB move this week it would seem as it's Wednesday.
26TrapDraw Posted September 19, 2018 Posted September 19, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 11:29 AM, GrizzReaper said: Right so we have these other issues too... The O line not very good. The WRs not very good. Then the kid doesn't even have someone with some veteran knowledge to help him learn the job... Once again imo not very good. So I'm watching this play out and IF it all goes bad. I think it's safe to say this falls squarely on our GM. He put this roster together this way... He went through it and made sure it was deemed his creation from day 1. I think we all need to keep that in mind when we are watching our rookie QB week to week trying to see if the kid is getting any better. Beane could've done more to put Allen in a better position to succeed. As of right now it kinda looks like he has set him up for failure... I agree the kid doesn't have much help but short of trading picks to other teams for their players there's only garbage left out there unsigned. Garbage we have plenty of. Beane won't give picks away as that's part of his " As many talented players as possible in their rookie deals" strategy. Allen will have to hope he survives the onslaught. I personally think it's F'ed up to hang your future out to dry like that.
baskingridgebillsfan Posted September 19, 2018 Posted September 19, 2018 Failed to provide him with a lot of things 1
OldTimer1960 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 2:22 PM, Like A Mofo said: Patrick Mahomes really credits guys like Chad Henne for his development so I am not sure what you mean that this is an 'old and recycled' way of thinking I wonder if having Kareem Hunt, Travis Kielce, Tyreek Hill and Sammy Watkins has helped his development more. 2
Fadingpain Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 3:01 PM, K-9 said: So now it’s a prerequisite for a coach to have played the position he’s coaching? Love this place. Is there any act or omission made by the Bills organization that you wouldn't blindly support? What if they start running a human trafficking ring out of OBD? Not only would you be on board, you'd be telling posters here who oppose the idea that they are stupid. 1
K-9 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 43 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: Is there any act or omission made by the Bills organization that you wouldn't blindly support? What if they start running a human trafficking ring out of OBD? Not only would you be on board, you'd be telling posters here who oppose the idea that they are stupid. I’ve never blindly supported the Bills. I just know that it isn’t a job requirement for a coach to have played the position he’s coaching. In fact, it’s been my experience that sometimes ex-players can make the worst coaches. The rest of your post doesn’t merit consideration. Shouldn’t you be checking posts for grammatical and usage errors? It’s such a vital service to the community, after all. Really adds to the discourse. 1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said: I wonder if having Kareem Hunt, Travis Kielce, Tyreek Hill and Sammy Watkins has helped his development more. Nah. Can’t be.
BillsMafia13 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/17/2018 at 4:00 PM, MAJBobby said: But you CAN deny the impact of a vet presense because there are many successful QBs that didnt or dont have one. And just like thier are Failures at the QB that Did have one. See how the impact of a Vet is minimized and WAAAAAAAAYYYYYY (see i can do it too) over rated Who? Give me that answer. WHO easy to spout things with zero plan we also should get him An All Pro WRs and also All pro OLs. See I just did what you did spout nonsense with no names so keep trying to insult me to over your shallow and lack of depth ideas and critical thinking skills There* We get it man, you're gonna cling to this crusade because you cant admit you were wrong. Just because you copied the way I wrote a word doesnt make you right, just immature. Those qbs didnt fail because of the vet qb, to say so is moronic. They were already destined to fail. Your logic is swiss cheese so let it go. Would you throw a kid behind the wheel at 16 with no training? No, an adult figure showing a kid the ropes is absolutely more beneficial. Stop arguing for the sake of argument.
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/18/2018 at 11:21 AM, zow2 said: Well, it's right about now I'm wishing Frank Reich was our coach... who know if they would have drafted Allen? But at least Frank could mentor and properly oversee a rookie QB. Have the greatest respect in the world for Frank, good guy, great player in his role, and I think would've made a good HC here too. Pederson also credits him for coming up with the offensive SB gameplan that stymied the Patsies D. But we have to roll with what we've got, and as mentioned before, the jury's still out. I will say McD can put a lot of naysayers to bed if he's able to build on the 2nd half of last week and keep play-calling responsibilities for the D--I just wish they weren't playing the Vikes in Minnesota this week. 1
Mat68 Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 The real problem Buffalo had. They didn't just own the fact Allen was the most talented Qb on field at the very first practice. The offense and receivers should have been given training camp and preseason to learn Allen's strengths and weakness and how to take advantage of both. By given him the least amount of reps with the first team and then going to him after 2 quarters of real football creates a level of distrust for the direction of the franchise. The defense has played uninspired until Allen got in their faces. The fact it took a rookie in first start to get that out of them is impressive and startlingly. 2
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 20, 2018 Posted September 20, 2018 Forget that, he failed to provide talent for allen.
Hebert19 Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 Was making a post in the Matt Moore thread and realized I havent seen a post on this topic yet. The most annoying thing about this Bills leadership team (who a support btw) is how poor a job they have done setting up Allen for success. 1. Their QB coach is a career WR coach. 2. Their backup might be the worst QB to start a game in the history of the NFL. 3. This WR group may be one of the worst in the league...not this year but in the last 10 years. No number 1...a number 2 that should be a 3...and then scrubs. 4. A terrible oline. The fact that they aren't trying to improve the situation at all for him is awful. While I dont believe it's the answer you have guys like Dez and Maclin out there...you cut kerley who has proven to be dependable in this league...and you have done nothing to improve the oline or the backup situation. Who helps josh with film. Talks to him on sidelines. Daboll is in the !@#$ing booth and Nate is clearly terrible. This is why this team wont turn around as fast as they should. The development of their franchise qb will be slowed or stunted by all this ****.
COTC Posted September 21, 2018 Posted September 21, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: Was making a post in the Matt Moore thread and realized I havent seen a post on this topic yet. The most annoying thing about this Bills leadership team (who a support btw) is how poor a job they have done setting up Allen for success. 1. Their QB coach is a career WR coach. 2. Their backup might be the worst QB to start a game in the history of the NFL. 3. This WR group may be one of the worst in the league...not this year but in the last 10 years. No number 1...a number 2 that should be a 3...and then scrubs. 4. A terrible oline. The fact that they aren't trying to improve the situation at all for him is awful. While I dont believe it's the answer you have guys like Dez and Maclin out there...you cut kerley who has proven to be dependable in this league...and you have done nothing to improve the oline or the backup situation. Who helps josh with film. Talks to him on sidelines. Daboll is in the !@#$ing booth and Nate is clearly terrible. This is why this team wont turn around as fast as they should. The development of their franchise qb will be slowed or stunted by all this ****. The original plan was to not have Josh play. Beane imploded that plan, now he gets baptism by fire. Sink or swim.
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