Bing Bong Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 9 hours ago, John from Riverside said: Yes Preston....you would have gotten beaten on those crossing routes as well....yes....the bills let you go for a better scheme fit Burn. He's talking about Vontae.. that happened. There's some weird **** going on in Buffalo. He's just the messenger 9 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Matter of time until more and more players start to talk about this regime. Waiting for Wood to unload, though he might just to too professional to do that They're going to keep quiet. But they knew their career was over when they saw the turnover. You got 3 years left and Glenn gets traded. Tyrod leaves. Shady's the only guy anybody would have known 2 years ago.
Mr. WEO Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 10 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Let me guess gonna hate on Aaron Williams too Aaron WilliamsVerified account @ajwilliams23 18h18 hours ago Theres absolutely no way a player retired at halftime! please say it ain’t so.... Aaron WilliamsVerified account @ajwilliams23 18h18 hours ago But release players that actually wanted to be there anyways the positive side is we got the W in the parking lots #AaronWilliamsTailgateShow AW valet parking cars...already? Damn shame....
Peter Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 Where there is fire, there is fire. I suspect we are going to hear some more stories as time goes on.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 1 hour ago, NoSaint said: But it’s all good - it’s been months since we’ve seen a starter held on a psych evaluation (as Ritchie’s August incident was off the team) i think its ok to acknowledge that the last 6 months have been a particularly impressive train wreck No Saint, you are on an epic roll ... ? Thanks for saving the thread.
Ol Dirty B Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, inaugural balls said: Exactly. Because nobody would take top dollar from Buffalo. Got it. Well you've had Anquan and Davis retire rather than collect checks. Bills offered John Brown more than cincy reportedly and he didn't want to come here. So you have at least 3 examples there, what about Maclin?
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 12 hours ago, berg1029 said: I know that Vontae released that statement saying that his retiring had nothing to do with the Bill's players or coaching staff, but the optics of this are really bad. When you combine two bad losses with this.. things could get ugly. If he said it wasn't the players or coaching staff then why are the optics bad? The guy lost interest in playing, why can't it just be something as simple as that?
Ol Dirty B Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: If he said it wasn't the players or coaching staff then why are the optics bad? The guy lost interest in playing, why can't it just be something as simple as that? Maybe because it was at halftime of a second straight blow out? 1
Avisan Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 9 hours ago, oldmanfan said: But enoughbto warrant the money? People have selectively short memories but Brown would get blasted routinely around here for making tackles 5-10 yards from scrimmage and not having the ability to cover. Edmunds has freakish athletic ability. And like Allen he's getting thrown in the deep end of the pool. Yet he isn't even given a chance by some to tread water let alone swim. People were wrong. Brown was a good MLB, and it's the exact same knock that people made about Poz, which was also wrong. Poz was better than Brown overall, but Brown was a perfectly fine MLB. 2
Dr.Sack Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 Preston Brown was asked a question about one of the most unusual events in NFL history. Being he spent 4 years in Buffalo and obviously has ties it’s no wonder why he said what he said. Could it be Brown felt undervalued & is therefore jaded? Possibly. Could it also be Brown has friends in the locker room he’s communicated with? Probably. 1
oldmanfan Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 3 hours ago, Avisan said: People were wrong. Brown was a good MLB, and it's the exact same knock that people made about Poz, which was also wrong. Poz was better than Brown overall, but Brown was a perfectly fine MLB. He was OK. But McDs D scheme requires a more athletic guy. 3 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said: Well you've had Anquan and Davis retire rather than collect checks. Bills offered John Brown more than cincy reportedly and he didn't want to come here. So you have at least 3 examples there, what about Maclin? What about guys who did come? The conspiracy theories are getting a little ridiculous.
Ol Dirty B Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: He was OK. But McDs D scheme requires a more athletic guy. What about guys who did come? The conspiracy theories are getting a little ridiculous. Who? Ivory? Overpaid Star, cut Kerley, all the other below average players. What conspiracy theory are you talking about? I don't think Anquan conspired with Davis to retire on the team. This regime is showing a very, very poor track record of man management.
oldmanfan Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 42 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: Who? Ivory? Overpaid Star, cut Kerley, all the other below average players. What conspiracy theory are you talking about? I don't think Anquan conspired with Davis to retire on the team. This regime is showing a very, very poor track record of man management. The conspiracy theory that because a couple guys didn't sign as FAs that it means there's something horribly wrong at OBD.
thenorthremembers Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 Why are Bengals beat reporter even speaking to Preston? He was inactive last week. The only question they should be asking him is which way the crapper is.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 the clowns on GR exploring this fascinating topic this morning with White taking the predictable position of taking it at face value
Coach Tuesday Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, NoSaint said: We’ve had a handful of comments alluding to behind the scenes not being as “bought in” as fans seem to want to think... i sometimes wonder how we’d view this regime if we had a playoff appearance in that malarkey season and say one of the marrone ones. If not for the extreme nature of the streak, would more fans be wondering about the red flags? Lots of ostriches around here. I love the "we always knew it was going to be a rebuilding year," "we have real cap problems," and "this is only year two" explanations get parroted by folks here, as if these things are somehow self-evident - NONE of these things needed to happen, first of all, second of all the roster decisions by McBeane don't fully comport with a rebuild, and third of all I'm still not at all convinced that the owners knew this was shaping up to be an uncompetitive 0-16 hot mess of a season. But if some fans want to swallow it all and part with their hard-earned dollars, that's fine - we're a society easily fooled by hucksters and circus barkers. In another, easily-imaginable universe, right now Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes could be throwing bombs to Sammy Watkins with Chris Hogan and Robert Woods running underneath routes, and the secondary could be elite with Darby and Gilmore covering the backend while Dareus causes disruptions upfront. All of that would've been a doable Plan A that didn't require a Pol Pot-style cleansing of the non-conformists and self-imposed cap hell. "We're building this the right way for the future." Oh yeah? By expelling almost all of the talent on the roster and trying to backfill with a bunch of semi-retired corpses? By spending a ton of draft assets on a raw QB and giving him zero tools or protection? By trading away his veteran mentor and then forcing him into live action when Peterman - probably the worst football player of the modern era (though Zay Jones is making a run for that distinction) - predictably faceplants? Ask yourselves this - when is the last time the Bills did something contrary to NFL accepted wisdom, all the media experts mocked it, and it worked? Why are some of you so easily, willfully deceived, year after year? Do you ever ask yourselves that - "Why am I such a sucker?" Edited September 18, 2018 by Coach Tuesday 1
cd1 Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 OK, so now the world knows... The Bills GM shops the bargain basements and - ya get what you pay for! 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 20 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Regardless of how old you are, or that you choose to purchase season tickets, you still need to understand what it takes to build a team for long-term success. It’s not easy or quick. We all want the team to succeed right away, but this regime has a plan and is moving forward with that plan. You may not like the state of the plan two weeks into this season but you don’t yet know the result, which they’ve continually said will be 2-3 years. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and frustration especially on Gameday. But those who choose to let it play out before screaming for firings shouldn’t be labeled kool aid drinkers, either. Not saying you did that but I’ve seen it and it makes little sense. I hate losing too but I’m not surprised it’s happening and am looking for progress from the young players. Sometimes you need to get worse before you get better. Last year’s team wasn’t good - they got blown out 3 games in a row midseseason them somehow regrouped and won the rest of their games except the !@#$ing Pats. A lot of that is coaching. Good points. What concerns me is not that the Bills don't have an instant-Championship-challenger team this year or that we might be worse than last year. I thought Beane's determination to hold on to next year's board above all was a giant "tell" as to W-L expectations. I'd be fine with 0-16 if the team is well prepared, well coached, the scheme looks effective but possibly overmatched due to talent, and we're playing hard but losing due to a handful of mistakes - 2 INTs, a busted play where Edmunds overpursues etc. No, what concerns me is that I don't see the above, and I don't understand many of Beane's personnel decisions. They are not defensible as cap-driven because in many cases a better option was available for a manageable or even lower cost (what EJ Gaines signed for vs Davis, contract Woods got vs. what we're paying Kelvin Benjamin, Pouncey vs Bodine etc) or they have resulted in us taking on further dead cap (Coleman). I'm concerned that they reflect insufficient or poor pro personnel scouting efforts, that will make it impossible for us to build an improved roster effectively with 2nd tier FA. I also don't understand McDermott's roster decisions. Joe B called out the cornerback shortage he creates by dressing so many special teams specialists etc. I will be totally thrilled if the team regroups and plays well after 2-3 games. 2
White Linen Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 20 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Lots of ostriches around here. I love the "we always knew it was going to be a rebuilding year," "we have real cap problems," and "this is only year two" explanations get parroted by folks here, as if these things are somehow self-evident - NONE of these things needed to happen, first of all, second of all the roster decisions by McBeane don't fully comport with a rebuild, and third of all I'm still not at all convinced that the owners knew this was shaping up to be an uncompetitive 0-16 hot mess of a season. But if some fans want to swallow it all and part with their hard-earned dollars, that's fine - we're a society easily fooled by hucksters and circus barkers. In another, easily-imaginable universe, right now Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes could be throwing bombs to Sammy Watkins with Chris Hogan and Robert Woods running underneath routes, and the secondary could be elite with Darby and Gilmore covering the backend while Dareus causes disruptions upfront. All of that would've been a doable Plan A that didn't require a Pol Pot-style cleansing of the non-conformists and self-imposed cap hell. "We're building this the right way for the future." Oh yeah? By expelling almost all of the talent on the roster and trying to backfill with a bunch of semi-retired corpses? By spending a ton of draft assets on a raw QB and giving him zero tools or protection? By trading away his veteran mentor and then forcing him into live action when Peterman - probably the worst football player of the modern era (though Zay Jones is making a run for that distinction) - predictably faceplants? Ask yourselves this - when is the last time the Bills did something contrary to NFL accepted wisdom, all the media experts mocked it, and it worked? Why are some of you so easily, willfully deceived, year after year? Do you ever ask yourselves that - "Why am I such a sucker?" Last season when we made the playoffs without all these amazing players you miss so much.
Coach Tuesday Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, White Linen said: Last season when we made the playoffs without all these amazing players you miss so much. Last season we stumbled through a string of blowouts and, statistically, were one of the worst teams to ever make the postseason. If that charade was enough for you, that's great.
oldmanfan Posted September 18, 2018 Posted September 18, 2018 29 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said: Lots of ostriches around here. I love the "we always knew it was going to be a rebuilding year," "we have real cap problems," and "this is only year two" explanations get parroted by folks here, as if these things are somehow self-evident - NONE of these things needed to happen, first of all, second of all the roster decisions by McBeane don't fully comport with a rebuild, and third of all I'm still not at all convinced that the owners knew this was shaping up to be an uncompetitive 0-16 hot mess of a season. But if some fans want to swallow it all and part with their hard-earned dollars, that's fine - we're a society easily fooled by hucksters and circus barkers. In another, easily-imaginable universe, right now Deshaun Watson or Patrick Mahomes could be throwing bombs to Sammy Watkins with Chris Hogan and Robert Woods running underneath routes, and the secondary could be elite with Darby and Gilmore covering the backend while Dareus causes disruptions upfront. All of that would've been a doable Plan A that didn't require a Pol Pot-style cleansing of the non-conformists and self-imposed cap hell. "We're building this the right way for the future." Oh yeah? By expelling almost all of the talent on the roster and trying to backfill with a bunch of semi-retired corpses? By spending a ton of draft assets on a raw QB and giving him zero tools or protection? By trading away his veteran mentor and then forcing him into live action when Peterman - probably the worst football player of the modern era (though Zay Jones is making a run for that distinction) - predictably faceplants? Ask yourselves this - when is the last time the Bills did something contrary to NFL accepted wisdom, all the media experts mocked it, and it worked? Why are some of you so easily, willfully deceived, year after year? Do you ever ask yourselves that - "Why am I such a sucker?" To address your points: 1. I wanted Watson and said so at the time. He is now having some sophomore slump issues, which is to be expected. Mahomes had the same rep as Allen was getting this year, big arm but poor mechanics, came from a one read offense etc. So no regrets there. 2. I wanted to keep both Hogan. Still would like to see Sammy here but he never lived up to expectations here or in LA, and now is way overpaid in KC. woods was going back to LA regardless. And some people here bring up Goodwin and conveniently forget he could barely stay on the field here. 3. Dareus was a big fat tub of goo here who under different regimes refused to be coached, was a problem child, and you can't have the biggest contract on your team be that guy. Now, I'll ask you a question. Why do you lump in different personnel moves, some not made under the current regime, and somehow put it on the current regime? Why do you think that's a fair appraisal? Why do you refuse to understand the successful organizations have to have a specific plan, and then work in concert to bring off that plan? Go ahead and name me successful organizations that do not have a specific culture they work around, and/or one where employees get to run around willy-nilly and break any rules they want whenever they want. As for specific decisions made by Beane and McD, ones I like or are OK with Getting rid of Dareus Drafting White Poyer and Hyde Allen and Edmunds Dawkins Darby (because again you have to establish your culture) Ones they should not have done Benjamin EJ Gaines McCarron (should have gotten a more veteran guy, and still should) Fine either way Star As for asking when the last time the Bills did something outside the box, they had a team back in the 80's and 90's. Went to 4 Super Bowls. Ran something called a K Gun that was revolutionary. Had a HC that gave guys individuality but knew what culture he wanted. Had a GM not afraid to make moves he felt were in the best interests of the team. You should read up on them.
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