I don't think the Pegulas signed off on this

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

17 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

Everyone wants dessert but nobody wants to wait for the chef to make it. "Now! Give it to me, NOW NOW NOW, it should be on my plate right NOW! Anything less is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, I know, because I have less Cheeto dust on my ratty-ass t-shirt than the other Bills fan!"

 

I'll tell you what the Pegulas didn't sign up for, having to find new coaches every other year within the first few years of their tenure as NFL team owners. They intended on keeping Marrone, he's a moody, weird jackass who quit. They goofed with Rex Ryan but McDermott and Beane? They think extremely highly of these guys and they know the only way to obtain long-term success is by going through the difficult times, letting the young, core players of this team gain experience and continue to fill out the team as they go.

 

They're cleaning up a cap mess from a previous regime. 

 

I've seen fans piss and moan that the team doesn't do enough in the draft. Beane has been extremely active in trades and was very active in his first full draft as a GM.

 

"They did NOTHING to address the OL!" They didn't? No one recalls that they made a big push for right tackle Ricky Wagner? Then traded up in the second round to get Dion Dawkins, who, at this time last year, was "way better than Glenn, they should trade Glenn!" so they did, and now it's, "Oh, those idiots never shoulda traded a past-his-prime OT with mounting injuries!"

 

"They did NOTHING to address the WR group!" They didn't? They made a push for Jeremy Maclin, he decided to sign elsewhere. They signed Anquan Boldin, he decided to retire. They traded up for Zay Jones. They traded for Kelvin Benjamin. Has it been pretty? No, and it's not always going to be that way. But to say they aren't trying to address these things is flat out wrong. Keep in mind, they've chosen to be a team that throws the ball the fewest times in the league over the last three seasons. 

 

And now Vontae Davis goes and does something completely unprecedented and people are trying to twist that into, "oh it's a poor look on the decision makers!" Really? So, in addition to needing an absolute, infallible laser-eye for talent, Beane and his team need to be fortune tellers now as well? "Oh, well, a signing like that just shows that they're scraping the bottom of the FA barrel!" Maybe they are, but look at the money they had to spend this year. They couldn't go out there and just wave around bags of cash and scream at players to come sign here. It's as if people forget that players must also AGREE to sign here. But oh, that's right, when a player leaves the building after an FA visit, that's all on Beane and his crew. Those frickin' failures! They're supposed to chain up any visiting player and slap him in the face with a contract until he signs it, I forgot.

 

They tuned up the secondary, it looks like they've found their linebackers. I think we'd all like to see more pressure from that front four but it looked like they were dialing up some more successful calls in the second half yesterday. And if they're gonna pick top five next year, well, they'll have their choice of some premiere DL because the DL class is loaded.

 

And it's clear that they've intended on constructing defense first with a plan to still lean heavily on D and the run game while their young QB learns on the fly. I'm sure they'll put more emphasis on the offense in 2019. 

 

Has everything been perfect? No. It's not supposed to be. The road to success isn't an easy, flat path. There's curves, bumps, hell, the road to success looks like a lot of the roads in Buffalo right after winter and the snowplows have beat the crap out of them.

 

I know it sucks to watch your favorite team lose. But we've gotta let these guys work and stop questioning every single little thing they do. Every team makes mistakes. Every team signs a guy that doesn't work out. Every team goes through a period of growing pains as young players gain experience. And if you hired an entirely new staff from top to bottom every other year then you're making absolutely sure that your team never becomes a contender.

 

"Clean house" and "start over" are terms I've seen all over this board and the old Bills message board for ages. The people clamoring for that finally get what they want and two games into it they're ready to throw in the towel? For years I've seen people flip out about Tom Donahoe, Marv Levy & Russ Brandon, Buddy Nix, Doug Whaley, etc. Nix didn't deal around in the draft. Whaley gave out terrible deals (keep in mind, Whaley re-signed guys like Glenn, Dareus and Hughes after seasons in which they played at a high level, had he not re-signed them and they went elsewhere, he woulda been vilified for "letting their top talent walk out the door for nothing!"

 

Enter McBeane... they're one of the most active FO's in terms of trades an dealing around draft picks, doing things that many fans have been wanting to see for years. And now that's not good enough either. "Show us the baby, show us the baby!" Cripes, does the baby come out dressed to the nines and ready to take on the town right from the jump? No. It has to be nurtured, complimented with other assets, built up with certain skills, placed in a position to succeed. 

 

Has McBeane done everything perfectly? No, and again, no team does. But they're taking chances. They're inquiring on available players. They're inquiring about players on the trade block. They're cleaning up a cap mess, they've drafted who they believe is their franchise QB, they've found who they believe is their long-term starter at left tackle, they've found their long-term #1 cornerback, they've got their QB of the defense who just happens to be one of the freakiest athletes in the league. But, oh, they couldn't see into their crystal ball and see that Patrick Mahomes was gonna light the league on fire in his first two starts. Dang them! Those friggin' losers! As if Mahomes would have the same results here. If Mahomes was here, he'd be having games like Allen had yesterday and people would be ready to be done with him as well. Andy Reid is one of the greatest QB coaches in history and happens to have a team that is absolutely stacked in skill positions. Mahomes is in an ideal situation. Allen isn't, but he has the fortitude and mental toughness to deal with that, take his lumps and grow with this team as opposed to coming into a situation where the team was already set to go. 

 

It ain't perfect. They're out there doing what they can with what they got. Do I agree with everything they've done? Nah. I really would like to see them find a long-time veteran QB to bring in here for Allen. Someone that's been around, someone who's seen all the looks and fronts, someone Allen can come to on the sideline and ask, "What'd you see?" and get answers. 

 

But I understand that this stuff takes time. Question the process? Yeah, sure. Waver on your trust? That's fine too. But if you think the answer is getting rid of these guys and starting all over again, that's not the way to go about it. 

 

The Pegulas most certainly signed off on this. They have a great deal of faith and respect for Beane and McDermott and they are going to let these guys handle their business and not get in their way. 

 

If things are still the same two, three years from now, then we can really say that the process isn't working. Until then, I'mma let these dudes do their thing.

 

And, this is just myself here, but for this season, I'm obviously still a fan, but I'm not going to let the losses or the bad plays get to me. For me, I'm observing and looking for improvements. Makes watching the games a little easier. Heck, you can even appreciate a good play for the opposing team. Case in point, Rivers to Mike Williams for their first TD yesterday. Bills were in the right look, the coverage was good, it's just not many QB's aside from a 15-year vet like Philip Rivers are even gonna attempt that throw and Mike Williams is just a big dude who made the play. It happens.

 

Let 'em work. Watch, observe, look for improvements in certain areas. It's gonna get better.

 

Please post more. I'm serious. That was awesome!!

 

[CountDorkula]

12 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said:

Dude Logan Thomas caught a pass yesterday blocking is his problem. Are you the caller who was complaining about O’Leary on wgr too? If so give it a break. 

 

And how how are you suppose to just reload when you have cap issues and no young talent on the roster. I know it’s painful but beane is doing the right thing right now. 

Beane created this cap mess.

 

Taylor could have been kept,

Glenn could have been kept

Dareus could have been kept

Darby could have been kept

Watkins could have been kept

 

That is a lot of talent that the current GM chose not to keep and create this cap mess. Beane is doing something. Neithre you nor I know if it is the right thing to do or not. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

Beane created this cap mess.

 

Taylor could have been kept,

Glenn could have been kept

Dareus could have been kept

Darby could have been kept

Watkins could have been kept

 

That is a lot of talent that the current GM chose not to keep and create this cap mess. Beane is doing something. Neithre you nor I know if it is the right thing to do or not. 

 

That's talent? Looks like a whole lot of overpaid average to me.

 

[zow2]

19 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

Everyone wants dessert but nobody wants to wait for the chef to make it. "Now! Give it to me, NOW NOW NOW, it should be on my plate right NOW! Anything less is COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE, I know, because I have less Cheeto dust on my ratty-ass t-shirt than the other Bills fan!"

 

I'll tell you what the Pegulas didn't sign up for, having to find new coaches every other year within the first few years of their tenure as NFL team owners. They intended on keeping Marrone, he's a moody, weird jackass who quit. They goofed with Rex Ryan but McDermott and Beane? They think extremely highly of these guys and they know the only way to obtain long-term success is by going through the difficult times, letting the young, core players of this team gain experience and continue to fill out the team as they go.

 

They're cleaning up a cap mess from a previous regime. 

 

I've seen fans piss and moan that the team doesn't do enough in the draft. Beane has been extremely active in trades and was very active in his first full draft as a GM.

 

"They did NOTHING to address the OL!" They didn't? No one recalls that they made a big push for right tackle Ricky Wagner? Then traded up in the second round to get Dion Dawkins, who, at this time last year, was "way better than Glenn, they should trade Glenn!" so they did, and now it's, "Oh, those idiots never shoulda traded a past-his-prime OT with mounting injuries!"

 

"They did NOTHING to address the WR group!" They didn't? They made a push for Jeremy Maclin, he decided to sign elsewhere. They signed Anquan Boldin, he decided to retire. They traded up for Zay Jones. They traded for Kelvin Benjamin. Has it been pretty? No, and it's not always going to be that way. But to say they aren't trying to address these things is flat out wrong. Keep in mind, they've chosen to be a team that throws the ball the fewest times in the league over the last three seasons. 

 

And now Vontae Davis goes and does something completely unprecedented and people are trying to twist that into, "oh it's a poor look on the decision makers!" Really? So, in addition to needing an absolute, infallible laser-eye for talent, Beane and his team need to be fortune tellers now as well? "Oh, well, a signing like that just shows that they're scraping the bottom of the FA barrel!" Maybe they are, but look at the money they had to spend this year. They couldn't go out there and just wave around bags of cash and scream at players to come sign here. It's as if people forget that players must also AGREE to sign here. But oh, that's right, when a player leaves the building after an FA visit, that's all on Beane and his crew. Those frickin' failures! They're supposed to chain up any visiting player and slap him in the face with a contract until he signs it, I forgot.

 

They tuned up the secondary, it looks like they've found their linebackers. I think we'd all like to see more pressure from that front four but it looked like they were dialing up some more successful calls in the second half yesterday. And if they're gonna pick top five next year, well, they'll have their choice of some premiere DL because the DL class is loaded.

 

And it's clear that they've intended on constructing defense first with a plan to still lean heavily on D and the run game while their young QB learns on the fly. I'm sure they'll put more emphasis on the offense in 2019. 

 

Has everything been perfect? No. It's not supposed to be. The road to success isn't an easy, flat path. There's curves, bumps, hell, the road to success looks like a lot of the roads in Buffalo right after winter and the snowplows have beat the crap out of them.

 

I know it sucks to watch your favorite team lose. But we've gotta let these guys work and stop questioning every single little thing they do. Every team makes mistakes. Every team signs a guy that doesn't work out. Every team goes through a period of growing pains as young players gain experience. And if you hired an entirely new staff from top to bottom every other year then you're making absolutely sure that your team never becomes a contender.

 

"Clean house" and "start over" are terms I've seen all over this board and the old Bills message board for ages. The people clamoring for that finally get what they want and two games into it they're ready to throw in the towel? For years I've seen people flip out about Tom Donahoe, Marv Levy & Russ Brandon, Buddy Nix, Doug Whaley, etc. Nix didn't deal around in the draft. Whaley gave out terrible deals (keep in mind, Whaley re-signed guys like Glenn, Dareus and Hughes after seasons in which they played at a high level, had he not re-signed them and they went elsewhere, he woulda been vilified for "letting their top talent walk out the door for nothing!"

 

Enter McBeane... they're one of the most active FO's in terms of trades an dealing around draft picks, doing things that many fans have been wanting to see for years. And now that's not good enough either. "Show us the baby, show us the baby!" Cripes, does the baby come out dressed to the nines and ready to take on the town right from the jump? No. It has to be nurtured, complimented with other assets, built up with certain skills, placed in a position to succeed. 

 

Has McBeane done everything perfectly? No, and again, no team does. But they're taking chances. They're inquiring on available players. They're inquiring about players on the trade block. They're cleaning up a cap mess, they've drafted who they believe is their franchise QB, they've found who they believe is their long-term starter at left tackle, they've found their long-term #1 cornerback, they've got their QB of the defense who just happens to be one of the freakiest athletes in the league. But, oh, they couldn't see into their crystal ball and see that Patrick Mahomes was gonna light the league on fire in his first two starts. Dang them! Those friggin' losers! As if Mahomes would have the same results here. If Mahomes was here, he'd be having games like Allen had yesterday and people would be ready to be done with him as well. Andy Reid is one of the greatest QB coaches in history and happens to have a team that is absolutely stacked in skill positions. Mahomes is in an ideal situation. Allen isn't, but he has the fortitude and mental toughness to deal with that, take his lumps and grow with this team as opposed to coming into a situation where the team was already set to go. 

 

It ain't perfect. They're out there doing what they can with what they got. Do I agree with everything they've done? Nah. I really would like to see them find a long-time veteran QB to bring in here for Allen. Someone that's been around, someone who's seen all the looks and fronts, someone Allen can come to on the sideline and ask, "What'd you see?" and get answers. 

 

But I understand that this stuff takes time. Question the process? Yeah, sure. Waver on your trust? That's fine too. But if you think the answer is getting rid of these guys and starting all over again, that's not the way to go about it. 

 

The Pegulas most certainly signed off on this. They have a great deal of faith and respect for Beane and McDermott and they are going to let these guys handle their business and not get in their way. 

 

If things are still the same two, three years from now, then we can really say that the process isn't working. Until then, I'mma let these dudes do their thing.

 

And, this is just myself here, but for this season, I'm obviously still a fan, but I'm not going to let the losses or the bad plays get to me. For me, I'm observing and looking for improvements. Makes watching the games a little easier. Heck, you can even appreciate a good play for the opposing team. Case in point, Rivers to Mike Williams for their first TD yesterday. Bills were in the right look, the coverage was good, it's just not many QB's aside from a 15-year vet like Philip Rivers are even gonna attempt that throw and Mike Williams is just a big dude who made the play. It happens.

 

Let 'em work. Watch, observe, look for improvements in certain areas. It's gonna get better.

 

Agree with a lot of what you said.  And despite my being upset with the huge drop-off from even last year.... I am not advocating to fire McD and Beane.    After getting their new QB experience and infusing talent in the 2019 offseason, I would expect a significant improvement next season from what we are seeing this year.  

[CountDorkula]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 

That's talent? Looks like a whole lot of overpaid average to me.

 

Hmm weird. The Bills are going to have to overspend on lesser talented players just to "improve the roster next year.

 

Cant wait until they pay Golden Tate or Randall Cob 12MM a year to be a #1 WR.

[CommonCents]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

You mean like the Seahawks did? 

 

Seahawks were middling for years before emerging as one of the better teams in the league for years. 

 

So there goes your theory. 

Good reply Scott and the Bills should only draft 6th round QBs because yah know....it can happen. 

[Mr. WEO]

I'm sure they had no clue what kind of year they were signing off on.

 

How would they?

[SoTier]

45 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

It’s only two games. They don’t look good sure but you gotta think they’ll get better.

some of these younger guys need time to progress. I thought the second half of the charger game we started to see a little life in the team and more of what they wanted for this year. A competitive team. Low on talent but hard working. Also keep in mind this may be a crap roster, especially on offense.It was built to be a good rushing team though with a solid defense. The D has been awful and with the points given up we can’t run the ball effectively. This team never has a shot since Fitz to win without a top notch running game. 

Even then Fitz couldn’t win the game with his arm. 

Same philosophy for a very long time. 

Ground and pound, impose your will and control the clock. Keep the defense fresh and attacking. Without all of that working we can’t win end of story. 

Getting Allen and developing him I like to think is a change in that philosophy. A true field general who can chuck the ball all over the field and have a defense on its heels which opens the run game. (Hopefully) 

Either way, rather you believe in them or not their entire resume rests on Allen’s shoulders. 

If they hit they’ll be here a very long time. 

If they missed they’ll be out the door in 3 more seasons. Either way like it or not GM and coach aren’t going anywhere for awhile

 

Why would I believe the Bills will get better this season or next or as long as McDermott and Beane are running the show?  McDermott has missed on his first OC, on his DC, on his OL coach so far.   Had Beane even heard of the NFL salary cap before he was hired as Bills GM because he is obviously clueless about how it limits personnel decisions and vice versa.  The scouts McDermott/Beane hired to replaced the Bills scouts they fired are as crappy as the HC and GM who hired them.  The lack of talent on this current Bills team, the huge dead cap amount, and the embarrassing effort on the field says it all: this regime is Joel Collier/Harvey Johnson/John Rauch/Jim Ringo/Kay Stephenson/Hank Bullough bad. 

 

 

 

 

[billsfan1959]

3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

You mean like the Seahawks did? 

 

Seahawks were middling for years before emerging as one of the better teams in the league for years. 

 

So there goes your theory. 

Not really. Seattle improved because they rebuilt the team, primarily through the draft, and struck gold on Russell Wilson. Pretty much what Commonsense said....

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

3 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Hmm weird. The Bills are going to have to overspend on lesser talented players just to "improve the roster next year.

 

Cant wait until they pay Golden Tate or Randall Cob 12MM a year to be a #1 WR.

Who says that's what they're gonna do?

 

[CountDorkula]

Just now, joesixpack said:

 Who says that's what they're gonna do?

 

All i hear is the bills are going to spend in UFA next year to fix the WR and O-line.

 

To do so, that is what you have to do. overpay guys. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

All i hear is the bills are going to spend in UFA next year to fix the WR and O-line.

 

To do so, that is what you have to do. overpay guys. 

 

From who? Not from me. My guess? Yes, they'll pay for OL. But I don't see them spending money on WR willy-nilly.

 

[Batman1876]

Taylor could have been kept,-17_Million

Glenn could have been kept-15 Million

Dareus could have been kept-16 millon

Darby could have been kept- I'd rather have Harrison

Watkins could have been kept-16 Million

 

That's 1'3 of the cap for those 4 guys, they weren't worth it. 

[billsfan1959]

Just now, CountDorkula said:

All i hear is the bills are going to spend in UFA next year to fix the WR and O-line.

 

To do so, that is what you have to do. overpay guys. 

Not necessarily. You do not have to assemble an all-pro at every position. You can acquire a lot of very good players at the tier two level of free agency....

[sleeby]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

there are only a handful of teams that suck every year....why , excluding last year, are we always one of them?

Not true.  Our curse has been a roughly 8-8 team perennially.  Not sucking nor being great.  Mediocrity has been our cancer.

[Batman1876]

7 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

Hmm weird. The Bills are going to have to overspend on lesser talented players just to "improve the roster next year.

 

Cant wait until they pay Golden Tate or Randall Cob 12MM a year to be a #1 WR.

Better than paying Sammy 16

[Freddie's Dead]

Yeah, they did.

[CountDorkula]

2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

Better than paying Sammy 16

Is it?

 

Sammy is in the prime of his career, Cobb and Tate will be on the wrong side of 30. 

[sleeby]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

There's just no way that I can come up with a scenario that Terry and Kim signed off on a total "tear it down" and rebuild plan.  Certainly not to be the laughinstocks of the NFL.  

Too late - that was the Ryan two years.  #4 defense ruined in an instant.  That fat bastard parachuting in was the shark jump - amd it happened before he even took the sideline.  Ha.  Then, bringing his idiot brother in for year 2 was a fail for which there is no meme - shark jump redux if you will.

 

Of course the pegulas are in the know.  "The Process" is a professionally worded way of saying "fumigating 1 bills drive post ryan."  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

Is it?

 

Sammy is in the prime of his career, Cobb and Tate will be on the wrong side of 30. 

Again, who says they're gonna sign either of these guys?