boyst Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, BringBackOrton said: PM me the story jb. Wasn't a story. Just a few words mentioned in a greater conversation about bills. Didn't think much of it, but believed it. Basically, the guy has bee. So banged up and away from football he had no fire, drive, or stamina to focus for a game. He lost the edge, he was done physically and they didn't feel he'd push himself to keep playing. 1
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, rpmfla said: So without Vontae the Bills become the 9th oldest team instead of the 7th? Depends who we sign to fill the open slot.
DC Tom Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I thought that relief comes next season. Because arbitration will take awhile anyway Depends on when they can get the arbitration done, I guess. But what I read was pretty clear: retired = cut, with the difference being the "Barry Sanders rule" that allows arbitration to recoup guaranteed money already paid out. I should add that it's not clear whether or not he gets to keep the money. "Cash" and "cap hit" aren't even remotely the same thing. Trust a league that can't even define "catch" to come up with accounting rules so byzantine. Edited September 16, 2018 by DC Tom
YoloinOhio Posted September 16, 2018 Author Posted September 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Yeah, I'd like to see confirmation that you said VONTAE DAVIS WAS GOING TO RETIRE AT HALFTIME OF THE CHARGERS GAME. He told me before the Ravens game that Davis was going to retire
BringBackOrton Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Boyst62 said: Wasn't a story. Just a few words mentioned in a greater conversation about bills. Didn't think much of it, but believed it. Basically, the guy has bee. So banged up and away from football he had no fire, drive, or stamina to focus for a game. He lost the edge, he was done physically and they didn't feel he'd push himself to keep playing. Makes sense.
Fadingpain Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 Just now, Socal-805 said: I wish I could have QUIT at halftime. Never thought about that, but "I can't quit you baby" should be the official Bills fan song. 1
Rico Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 8 minutes ago, Peter said: ??? Quit on the team before the last game of the 2003 season. !@#$ him too.
Bob in STL Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: Anybody want to try and defend this guy? That's inexcusable. It's disrespectful to your fans, organization, and even the league as a whole. He won't find another job. you forgot about disrespectful to your teammates which is worst of all. Just wait, by tomorrow he will say this is all a misunderstanding and then claim an injury. Whatever it takes to get paid.
Peter Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: Quit on the team before the last game of the 2003 season. !@#$ him too. Maybe I am getting old, but I just don't remember that. If you say it happened, I am sure it did, but I just don't remember.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I finally found how it works: retiring mid-season works the same as being cut mid-season, for cap purposes. The difference is that, if a player retires the team can go to arbitration to request the remaining cap hit be "refunded" - pro-rated salary and signing bonus, roster and workout bonus remain with the player, I believe. So Davis would still have a $4M cap hit being retired...but the Bills could claim relief for 7/8 or 29/32 (not sure if you can request a half-game refund) of his signing bonus plus guaranteed salary - call it three and a quarter million. Can't see the Bills losing that arbitration against a guy that walks out mid-game...so ultimately, his cap hit becomes just shy of a million. I always knew your math skills would prove useful at some point.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I thought that relief comes next season. Because arbitration will take awhile anyway No, if there’s a situation with a player (eg player is suspended) I’m pretty sure the cap relief goes on this year’s cap. I also think in this case the arbitration is pretty much a formality and won’t take long. Neither the NFL nor the NFLPA want to encourage players to quit like that.
Fadingpain Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 32 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: When you look how a majority of NFL players are me first guys. Yes I can understand it. Agree with it is different than understanding where the decision likely comes from. It's partially this, partially the fact that the decision was heavily influenced by emotion (I assume) and we don't know what happened at half time as well. Like was Vontae provoked or called out by anyone? Maybe. We don't know. Whatever. This is another lost Bills season and Davis was at the end of the line anyway. None of this really matters. Still a funny story and so damned Billsy. The national media will be feasting on this in the coming week.
Rico Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 2 minutes ago, Peter said: Maybe I am getting old, but I just don't remember that. If you say it happened, I am sure it did, but I just don't remember. There may be better links out there, but here's the first one I found: http://www.billsbackers.com/122703.htm Ruben Brown A No-Show Another element came to light before the game with the Patriots when it was announced that Ruben Brown was "excused" from the game. Bills coach Gregg Williams said that "personal reasons" were the factors that determined that they would allow him to miss his first game after playing 71 straight. Bills GM Tom Donahoe emphasized that Brown was not suspended, but "inactive." Rumors have come out of One Bills Drive that Brown was unhappy with Bills offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride and the play calling all season. In fact, one source claimed that Brown confronted Gilbride during the week. Brown did not practice all week with the Bills and said on his radio show early in the week that it would have been hard for him to get motivated playing the last game of the season. This comes at a time when the Bills needed some final stand, one last show of support for not only their coach, who is likely to get fired next week, but also for pride. What Brown did to the Bills and his teammates was to abandon ship. He had enough of the coaching staff and decided to make a statement to everyone by quitting on the team. Brown, who was voted to the Pro Bowl for the 8th straight year, may have played his last game in a Bills uniform last week against Miami. 1
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