Josh Gordon to be released-now traded to PATS

[NoSaint]

Just now, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

I understand the cost analysis, but this guy will never play a full season again.  Even last year, he had one TD.  He caught a bunch of bombs but he had games where he caught 25-50% of his targets.  His YPC is the only thing he has to show for 5 games of work.

 

So why not let him go catch a few bombs from allen and maybe keep a safety out of the box to help with the o line a bit for 2 months?

[blacklabel]

Some of these comments...good lord, you'd think the entire Bills organization went out and pissed on Ralph Wilson's grave. 

 

Those of you all salty about not getting Gordon realize that he has played in exactly 11 out of his last 64 games, right? You understand that he's under a microscope with the NFL and is one slip up away from another year long suspension, right? You think he's gonna immediately catch onto the "Patriot Way" and suddenly clean up his act after struggling for nearly 10 years with his substance abuse? If anything, this whole ordeal is going to stress him out even more and make his sobriety that much harder to maintain. 

 

"But, but, we dun gots no receivers!" Maybe so, but this is a rebuild. Suck it up and let them work. And if the Bills had landed Gordon, I would just about guarantee he'd end up suspended after a game or two and 70% of this board would be screaming, "Another failed signing by the failure known as Beane!"

 

Seriously...there is just no winning with some of you. Most of y'all wanted them to clean house, so they did. Most of y'all wanted them to hit the reset button, so they did. Most of y'all said they needed to get out of cap hell which they're in the process of. Ya said they needed to finally pull the trigger and draft a QB high, they did. Most of y'all would throw fits when last GMs wouldn't trade around and collect extra picks. Now you got a GM who does that and you're like, "No no, not like that!" And then some of you think these guys can only be deemed a real talent evaluator by seeing into the future and finding out that Patrick Mahomes would have the start he's had. And you think putting him here would yield the same results? KC added pieces as they went along, just as the Bills will do. 

 

You wanted crappy contracts gone. You wanted them to build thru the draft. You wanted them to go with a young, innovative OC. They did. 

 

This is a full on rebuild. Is it a bit concerning to see two rough games like these last two? Yeah. But the second half of yesterday's game showed that they do indeed have some competitiveness in them. Sounds like Frazier wasn't adjusting so McDermott has to take over. Most of y'all were sick of the lame duck coaches who couldn't get a team into shape or adjust during games. McDermott didn't like what he saw and said, you know what, I'm gonna have to take over for a bit. 

 

They've made good on their statements about how they envisioned building this team. 

 

Did you think everything was gonna automatically come together? 

 

This sh*t takes time. Be patient. Let them work. 

 

And for cripes sake, you can't get your nips twisted because they aren't signing every player you think they should. It's almost as if some of you completely forget (or, more likely, willfully ignore) that a free agent has to want to sign here. What're they supposed to do? Lock a guy in the building and kick him in the junk until he takes their deal?

 

They inherited a pretty messy roster and a locker room with a losing mentality ingrained in their minds as well as a major lack of cohesion and brotherhood among the players. The only way to really fix that is to flip the roster. 

 

For so long I've seen people begging for the house cleaning and fresh starts and now that they're in the middle of that exact process, those same people *still* aren't satisfied. 

 

I've said it before, but it seriously feels like this team could win the next 37 Super Bowls and there would be posts saying, "McBeane has to go! They did NOT win their 37th Lombardi in the exact manner I wanted, therefore they are an inept bunch of turds!"

 

Aye yi yi. Just relax. Beane and McDermott don't have a combined 40+ years of experience because they don't know what they're doing. 

 

I guess no matter what, some people are just never gonna be satisfied. 

Edited September 18, 2018 by blacklabel

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

So why not let him go catch a few bombs from allen and maybe keep a safety out of the box to help with the o line a bit for 2 months?

 

 

And then get cut or suspended?  What would be the point.  Can't they address the WR position in a conventional way?

6 minutes ago, Pete said:

In 5 games, an out of shape Josh Gordon had 18 catches for 18.1 yards a catch.  His 335 yards in 5 games  is more thant Zay Kelvin, Jordan and the other clown WR s had all year

 

 

1 TD.  

 

11 games missed.  In 2 games he had 9.5 YPC

 

This is too easy.

19 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True.  He could be great...for 5 games.

 

 

66 ypg and a single TD isn't great.

Edited September 18, 2018 by Mr. WEO

[Doc]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

66 ypg and a single TD isn't great.

 

True.  I was looking at the 18.6 YPC.

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

And then get cut or suspended?  What would be the point.  Can't they address the WR position in a conventional way?

 

 

1 TD.  

 

11 games missed.

 

This is too easy.

 

At week 2 in the regular season? There’s not much of a way to address not having a number 1 wr.

 

That’s kind of why this was an appealing incredibly low risk and high reward move for another franchise that tends to do well.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, NoSaint said:

 

At week 2 in the regular season? There’s not much of a way to address not having a number 1 wr.

 

That’s kind of why this was an appealing incredibly low risk and high reward move for another franchise that tends to do well.

 

 

I think it would make more sense to see what happens with Allen.  Let him throw the bombs.  Someone will catch them at Gordon's 25, 35, 50% rate.

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Low risk high reward cost controlled player who's extremely talented.  I take that shot every time.  Nothing ventured, nothing gained.

 

But thats not what you asked me.  I get your opinion, but you asked me specifically about Beane given he traded for Coleman and looked into trading for Bryant last year.  I then showed how Bryant last year, and Coleman this year pale in comparison to the situation and risk of Gordon and that the scenarios are not comparable to the severity of Gordons.  Further proof, they could have claimed Bryant for free earlier this month and didn't because his situation is now worse with potential suspension looming again.

[PlayoffsPlease]

Why does anyone posting on this board think they are smarter about football personnel decisions than then New England Patriots? 

[Pete]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

And then get cut or suspended?  What would be the point.  Can't they address the WR position in a conventional way?

 

 

1 TD.  

 

11 games missed.

 

This is too easy.

too easy?  Mr Beane took a WR group of Sammy Watkins, Chris Hogan, Robert Woods. Goodwin- and replaced them with Benjamin{costing us a draft pick} Zay, Jordan Mathews, Holmes......That is going backwards.  We traded up for Zay, and overpaid for Corey.  It seems to me that Mr Beane has no clue about scouting WRs.  Gordon fell on his lap, and he declined.  I watch all the Bills games, and WRs are not getting open.  We have the worst WRs in a passing league.  To stay pat at WR is beyond idiotic.  The only good thing is I have Josh on 2 of my fantasy teams.  He will be huge in New England

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

True.  I was looking at the 18.6 YPC.

 

 

He had 5 passes greater than 18 yards.

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But thats not what you asked me.  I get your opinion, but you asked me specifically about Beane given he traded for Coleman and looked into trading for Bryant last year.  I then showed how Bryant last year, and Coleman this year pale in comparison to the situation and risk of Gordon and that the scenarios are not comparable to the severity of Gordons.  Further proof, they could have claimed Bryant for free earlier this month and didn't because his situation is now worse with potential suspension looming again.

 

To be fair their costs were also noticeably higher. We are taking 4-5x the cap hit for Coleman and Bryant went for a day 2 pick

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

too easy?  Mr Beane took a WR group of Sammy Watkins, Chris Hogan, Robert Woods. Goodwin- and replaced them with Benjamin{costing us a draft pick} Zay, Jordan Mathews, Holmes......That is going backwards.  We traded up for Zay, and overpaid for Corey.  It seems to me that Mr Beane has no clue about scouting WRs.  Gordon fell on his lap, and he declined.  I watch all the Bills games, and WRs are not getting open.  We have the worst WRs in a passing league.  To stay pat at WR is beyond idiotic.  The only good thing is I have Josh on 2 of my fantasy teams.  He will be huge in New England

 

Hogan Woods and Goodwin were gone before Beane  was hired.

[26CornerBlitz]

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

But thats not what you asked me.  I get your opinion, but you asked me specifically about Beane given he traded for Coleman and looked into trading for Bryant last year.  I then showed how Bryant last year, and Coleman this year pale in comparison to the situation and risk of Gordon and that the scenarios are not comparable to the severity of Gordons.  Further proof, they could have claimed Bryant for free earlier this month and didn't because his situation is now worse with potential suspension looming again.

 

Varying degrees of troubled players with Gordon having shown the best in the NFL.  We don't know if the Bills were among the 8-10 teams who reportedly showed interest, but I wouldn't blame them at all if they were. 

[row_33]

1 hour ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Why does anyone posting on this board think they are smarter about football personnel decisions than then New England Patriots? 

 

a sickness the internet caused, fans think they are smarter and they know they have captive audience to have to pay attention to them

 

the only choice is to walk away from their silliness

 

[stevewin]

I've never wanted a player to smoke more pot more in my life

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

What?

You here’d mee

[HamSandwhich]

5 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

You here’d mee

I still don't get it, did I say something in my original post that was incorrect english?

 

Do the Bengals have coaches/GMS that sounds like that? 

 

Were you just drunk?

 

Enlighten me.

Edited September 18, 2018 by HamSandwhich

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, HamSandwhich said:

I still don't get it, did I say something in my original post that was incorrect english?

 

Do the Bengals have coaches/GMS that sounds like that? 

 

Were you just drunk?

 

Enlighten me.

 

At Some point it’s last chance saloon.

 

First one was auto correct, second was self deprecating  

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[YoloinOhio]

“Desperate” is the word I used yesterday 

 

Bedard: With trade for Josh Gordon, Patriots have reached bottom at WR after years of neglect

He has a lot of dog in him — and not the good kind. Like I said at the time, maybe I was spoiled from my time covering the Packers and Patriots (the Dolphins were a different story), but I had never seen an NFL receiver loaf as much as he did in practice. He wouldn’t finish plays. He would walk back to the huddle and after dropped passes. And the amazing thing was nobody said anything to him (so he was being coddled again, just like at Baylor). In short, I didn’t like what I saw. And, in a team environment, I would rather have a less-talented player who bought into the team concept more than Gordon.

I made most of my comments on Cleveland radio at the time, and they generated a lot of discussion. It was notable the coaching staff didn’t disagree with my comments in the days following, and privately a few told me I was spot-on and were glad someone called out Gordon, because it sounded like they couldn’t — “Maybe he’ll get it,” one texted at the time.

That was over five years ago. He’s played in just 11 games in the past four NFL seasons.

If Gordon is the same type of practice player with the Patriots — and sources have told me that, unlike fellow troubled talents like Randy Moss and Dez Bryant who truly enjoy the game and practice hard, Gordon doesn’t like football all that much and it is reflected in his practice habits — he’s not going to last long. After being snuggled in the land of entitled players at Baylor and Cleveland, the environment he’s going into with the Patriots will be a completely different world.

Really, if we’re being honest, it’s pathetic they Patriots have gotten to the point they have to sign players that were basically useless bums at other places (Britt, Corey Coleman, Gordon — all former Browns). These are the New England Patriots we’re talking about. Five-time Super Bowl champions. Bill Belichick. Tom Brady. Josh McDaniels, the brilliant offensive mind who could have had any head coaching job he wanted in recent years.

The franchise and its top names stand for excellence. They’ve built Super Bowl contenders every year for 18 years. Other teams aspire to do what they have done, all that sustained success.

But why the heck can’t they ever develop a receiver? It’s bordering on embarrassing. Actually … after the acquisition of Gordon out of utter desperation, it is embarrassing.

Edited September 18, 2018 by YoloinOhio