OldTimeAFLGuy Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Mango said: So this is what striving for greatness looks like? Rivers is currently 7/7, 96 yards, 2 TD. Plus another 87 yards rushing at 8.7 yards per carry for LAC.... With 9 minutes left in the 2nd quarter. Inversely, Allen has been sacked 3 times in the second quarter alone. Again 9 minutes left. ...so 45 points may be light??.....just askin'............
MAJBobby Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 So how much impact and help is that 4th DT bringing?
BobbyC81 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 3 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: So, then why cut Adolphus Washington earlier in the week? Did anybody even notice Nate Orchard on the field?
FistingBot Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, LittleJoeCartwright said: So, then why cut Adolphus Washington earlier in the week? Did anybody even notice Nate Orchard on the field? As best as I can tell, McBean seems to have some sort of "his guys" versus "my guys" thing going on with the departed Doug Whaley. All of our 2016 picks are off the roster with the exception of Shaq Lawson who was scratched today. Only John Miller remains from 2015. And everyone is gone from the 2014 draft. If I was a betting man I'd say it's only a matter of time before Lawson and Miller are gone. I'm all for wanting "your guys" but it seems to me that McBean is obsessed with ridding the team of Whaley's picks.
Mango Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 22 hours ago, joesixpack said: Let me break it down for you: Some of us understand that those guys were NOT getting it done. Some of us were sick of .500 football, because we understand that .500 football is the WORST possible outcome. You never get elite talent, you never get a shot at a QB. .500 football is why we missed the playoffs for 17 years. The team never tried for excellence, and they are now. Part of that plan is to rip out the rot in the middle of the franchise. Mango...those guys you listed? They were the rot. Overpaid, underperforming AVERAGE. Remember when you said last years roster was the rot?
JohnC Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 8 hours ago, HappyDays said: You answered your own question. They had to spend carefully which meant they had to sign second rate players at best. I don't know why everyone is acting like Star is terrible. He isn't Aaron Donald but he's doing his job, which is to eat up double teams and let the LBs roam free. Our run defense was fine last week. It was the last reason that we lost. Murphy has been injured, it happens. Beyond that I don't believe we spent more than $5 million in cap space on a single player. That's what you do in a rebuilding year, you take what you can get. This regime believes in building through the draft and so far they have done that. White, Edmunds, and Allen look like good 1st round picks. Zay looks like a bust, but Dawkins and Phillips look like good picks too and Milano is a steal in the 5th round. They've only had 2 drafts and a cap-controlled free agency to rebuild the team in their image. That's why I expected this season to be rough. They're not even close to being done. Next year we should see a significant jump and in 2020 we should be contenders for the AFC Championship. That's their plan. Terrific post. You are radiantly shining in a room full of darkness. It was unavoidable to not have short term pain from the gruesome action of quickly absorbing the cap $$$ for the dispatched players. That was the designed strategy of the full throttle rebuild. The big issue that will determine the success or failure of the rebuild is whether Josh Allen demonstrates that he can become a franchise qb. I believe in him. Without a doubt he is going to struggle but that is an inescapable part of the learning curve. The tandem of McBeane have made a lot of personnel decisions. One doesn't have to agree with all of them. But if one keeps in mind that the decisions are made in a context of a major rebuild then the moves become much more understandable, even for those who disagree with a portion of the decisions. While a boisterous faction expend energy and fulminate about the backup qb I am encouraged that the hulking rookie qb is now playing. That's where the focus should be from the fearful fans. Just because the journey is long and arduous that doesn't mean that ultimately success will not be attained. Having a road map and sticking to it is the right thing to do.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, Mango said: Remember when you said last years roster was the rot? When I said guys like dareus were the tot? Yeah. I stand by it. Again, the logical position is to avoid.500 ball at all costs. Can it sometimes be painful? Yes. But I get it. You’re emotionally tied to mediocrity. It’s yet another unflattering trait that many in the bills fan base share. Don’t feel bad. You’re not alone.
Lurker Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 Maybe Kerley got wind of Davis' retirement plans and decided to quit as well, but one uped him by doing so mid-week. Take that, Vonte...
Mango Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: When I said guys like dareus were the tot? Yeah. I stand by it. Again, the logical position is to avoid.500 ball at all costs. Can it sometimes be painful? Yes. But I get it. You’re emotionally tied to mediocrity. It’s yet another unflattering trait that many in the bills fan base share. Don’t feel bad. You’re not alone. I don’t think you have any actual clue how people who are exceptional at their job actually operate. They don’t make things worse. Something, anything, gets better year after year, day after day.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Mango said: I don’t think you have any actual clue how people who are exceptional at their job actually operate. Well, there’s another thing you’re wrong about. Keep up the good effort!
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 14 minutes ago, JohnC said: Terrific post. You are radiantly shining in a room full of darkness. It was unavoidable to not have short term pain from the gruesome action of quickly absorbing the cap $$$ for the dispatched players. That was the designed strategy of the full throttle rebuild. The big issue that will determine the success or failure of the rebuild is whether Josh Allen demonstrates that he can become a franchise qb. I believe in him. Without a doubt he is going to struggle but that is an inescapable part of the learning curve. The tandem of McBeane have made a lot of personnel decisions. One doesn't have to agree with all of them. But if one keeps in mind that the decisions are made in a context of a major rebuild then the moves become much more understandable, even for those who disagree with a portion of the decisions. While a boisterous faction expend energy and fulminate about the backup qb I am encouraged that the hulking rookie qb is now playing. That's where the focus should be from the fearful fans. Just because the journey is long and arduous that doesn't mean that ultimately success will not be attained. Having a road map and sticking to it is the right thing to do. Why wasn't the full throttle rebuild last year? We are year two into this three, four or five year trial for McBeane and we are behind last year. This year two is year one. I can get behind a total rebuild. It likely was necessary. But do it year one not year two.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Why wasn't the full throttle rebuild last year? We are year two into this three, four or five year trial for McBeane and we are behind last year. This year two is year one. I can get behind a total rebuild. It likely was necessary. But do it year one not year two. Why do you think some of us called for a tank last year
Mango Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 20 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Well, there’s another thing you’re wrong about. Keep up the good effort! Yeah...I’m not. You do some stuff pretty average, maybe slightly above. Maybe you were MLB in the 1984 Monsignor Martin championship game? Woulda gone to state, and gotten big time scholarship if it weren’t for the ref blowing that call, and you twisting your ankle in the 3rd quarter. Elite talent, specifically in athletics, that you don’t get even a little bit. Mark it down.
JohnC Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Why wasn't the full throttle rebuild last year? We are year two into this three, four or five year trial for McBeane and we are behind last year. This year two is year one. I can get behind a total rebuild. It likely was necessary. But do it year one not year two. I disagree somewhat with your characterization that there wasn't a major rebuild going on in the first year. The Bills were accumulating draft picks as soon as McDermott took over with deals for Watkins and the trade down with KC to get another first round pick in the following year. Dareus was dealt during the season in the first year. When you take over an operation you still need to evaluate what you have. If you review the first two years there has been a significant alteration in the roster. The Josh Allen selection was made after a number of maneuvers were made. The signature move was getting (hopefully) our franchise qb. They was a complicated maneuver that including a number of trades over a period of time. If you look at our cap situation next year it will be dramatically different from what has encumbered the organization. The next issue is whether that cap money is going to be wisely spent. Without question this is going to be a difficult year. It may sound crazy to some but it was an outcome of the design of the rebuild. The thinking was to take the immediate hard hit so in the not too distant future there will be a dividend. For me what I see going on, as ugly as it may seem to many, should have been expected. It has to be remembered that when McDermott took over there was a delicate balance between being competitive and rebuilding. In his first year the team was unexpectedly more competitive and in a position to break the playoff drought. So he went for it as reflected in the Benjamin deal. But make no mistake the reality is that the Bills were still in the midst of a rebuild in the first year. At least that is how I see it.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Mango said: Yeah...I’m not. You do some stuff pretty average, maybe slightly above. Maybe you were MLB in the 1984 Monsignor Martin championship game? Woulda gone to state, and gotten big time scholarship if it weren’t for the ref blowing that call, and you twisting your ankle in the 3rd quarter. Elite talent, specifically in athletics, that you don’t get even a little bit. Mark it down. But I’m SURE you understand it, right? Who’s paying your check? By the way, there’s a cleanup in aisle six. Get back to work, mango. Edited September 17, 2018 by joesixpack
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 24 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Why do you think some of us called for a tank last year Well, what we think doesn't matter. If I knew they were going to tank this year I would have called for it last year too to cut them off at the pass. The point is it it makes sense the tank year one if you want to tank. It doesn't make sense to tank year two, especially if you overachieved year one.
MAJBobby Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Kelly the Dog said: Well, what we think doesn't matter. If I knew they were going to tank this year I would have called for it last year too to cut them off at the pass. The point is it it makes sense the tank year one if you want to tank. It doesn't make sense to tank year two, especially if you overachieved year one. Yep cause now you get what you are seeing and by end of season are going to be on the Hotseat.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, JohnC said: I disagree somewhat with your characterization that there wasn't a major rebuild going on in the first year. The Bills were accumulating draft picks as soon as McDermott took over with deals for Watkins and the trade down with KC to get another first round pick in the following year. Dareus was dealt during the season in the first year. When you take over an operation you still need to evaluate what you have. If you review the first two years there has been a significant alteration in the roster. The Josh Allen selection was made after a number of maneuvers were made. The signature move was getting (hopefully) our franchise qb. They was a complicated maneuver that including a number of trades over a period of time. If you look at our cap situation next year it will be dramatically different from what has encumbered the organization. The next issue is whether that cap money is going to be wisely spent. Without question this is going to be a difficult year. It may sound crazy to some but it was an outcome of the design of the rebuild. The thinking was to take the immediate hard hit so in the not too distant future there will be a dividend. For me what I see going on, as ugly as it may seem to many, should have been expected. It has to be remembered that when McDermott took over there was a delicate balance between being competitive and rebuilding. In his first year the team was unexpectedly more competitive and in a position to break the playoff drought. So he went for it as reflected in the Benjamin deal. But make no mistake the reality is that the Bills were still in the midst of a rebuild in the first year. At least that is how I see it. You do one or the other. This way it puts us behind in the ultimate goal. You either tear it down right away and immediately start to rebuild. Or you rebuild on the fly. We rebuilt on the fly in year one and then tore it down in year two. That makes no sense.
Mango Posted September 17, 2018 Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: But I’m SURE you understand it, right? Who’s paying your check? Well.... I’ve won as an athlete 6 National Championships... Then as a coach, I won another 6.... There are a few years in there too, where I lived at the Olympic Training Center full time. So, to answer your question, yes, I do get it.
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