keepthefaith Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 More will probably go as the season endures. The WR position is a completer do-over for the Bills as is the offensive line.
Doc Brown Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) If you're committing to Josh Allen for the rest of the year and beyond this move makes sense. To play to his strengths, you either want tall WR's with a large catch radius or speedy WR's who can stretch the field. A short, possession WR is not who you want on the field with Josh Allen. I don't quite know why we signed him in the first place. Edited September 16, 2018 by Doc Brown
BuffaloBillsGospel Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 53 minutes ago, NoSaint said: Well, I’d chill with the rhetoric with phrases like ballistic. Maybe sub in a word like critical. from there, take the 1.13m we just flushed for a single game from kerley. Add 3 more for Coleman. You are starting to get towards “why not just sign a decent wr instead of wasting money” then look at DT with 20m tied up in dareus/star. Think carrying dareus and signing an OT or OG would’ve been better for this roster? then, look at the 10m in QBs not on the roster and peterman starting the season for us. then look at vontae then Trent ped Murphy. then paying dimarco for like 2 snaps. you start to see why people are questioning resource allocation and if better planning avoids some of this. yes we have a lot of dead money but did we inflict that unnecessarily? And did we waste some that we spent? Is guaranteeing a guy over $1m and cutting him less than a week later good business? There is 26 pages of whining going on for a thread called "Bills release Jeremy Kerley", if that isn't going ballistic then what, a meltdown? Tempur tantrums? not sure what the correct word is there but critical? You're basing Murphy/Louteleilei and Davis all off 1 game of which Davis wasn't even in for due to injury so you have no merit yet on any of those players. Are you saying Mccaron was going to save us on Sunday had he been here? Did you see him in preseason or did you just watch some youtube highlights from him on Alabama? The entire fanbase knew this was a rebuilding year, the HC and GM have all pretty much insinuated it have they not? And you go out of your way to leave out some key components like Incognito and Woods both retiring prematurely which I'm sure were not in the plans and with the already dead cap those positions were never able to be filled properly. We finally have a HC and GM on the same page looking like they are steering us in the right direction and many of the fan base wants them gone, I can't wrap my head around it, we filled in some key positions in FA with adequate players, none of which elite but enough to make us at least appear competitive but it's been quite obvious were looking to lose for 1 more high and solid draft class next year and our rookie QB is going to get a jump start in his progression week 2, we can all beotch and moan about it or just hope our rookie QB improves every game and we can start watching him learn from his mistakes since that is all we really have to look forward to this season imo. Edited September 16, 2018 by BuffaloBillsGospel
reddogblitz Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, SJDK said: The thing most concerning thing to me about how our roster is being handled is that we have known we were down 3 o-linemen months and months ago. We knew we had basically table scraps at wide receiver months and months ago. We did nothing about that?! Not only did we do nothing but we draft a quarterback to sit behind an “experienced vet” so he wouldn’t have to eat from a straw after his rookie year. McDamnit then proceeds to TRADE THE VET and make our rookie literally take their lumps and be held accountable for their lack of action. Now our rookie has less than starters being trusted to keep him upright and at a point when we had table scraps at wide receiver already we throw away Kerley. He isn’t even a “really good” receiver but he was starting caliber for us. Amen. 1
Ol Dirty B Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: People are up in arms over a Jeremy Kerley release? Has it really gotten to Buffalo Bills message board bad in here already? It's Jeremy freakin Kerley people, what help was he really going to give Josh Allen? What help has he given any QB throughout his tenure in the NFL? And now I ask you, name our receivers
ganesh Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 13 hours ago, MAJBobby said: YES lets Sign a DT and Release a WR way to help Allen Jesus begining to question the process Didn't they release A. Washington early this week? I am not sure Kerley can provide any help to Allen at this time! 1
Ol Dirty B Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: They released a guy making no money who is least likely to sign with someone else. No salary implications and they will probably be able to sign him back. Cutting Holmes has cap implications and they must feel they would lose McCloud and Foster. This move makes sense. This dude is going down with the ship. And I can't wait to see how you act after it goes down.
Fadingpain Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 2 hours ago, SJDK said: The thing most concerning thing to me about how our roster is being handled is that we have known we were down 3 o-linemen months and months ago. We knew we had basically table scraps at wide receiver months and months ago. We did nothing about that?! Not only did we do nothing but we draft a quarterback to sit behind an “experienced vet” so he wouldn’t have to eat from a straw after his rookie year. McDamnit then proceeds to TRADE THE VET and make our rookie literally take their lumps and be held accountable for their lack of action. Now our rookie has less than starters being trusted to keep him upright and at a point when we had table scraps at wide receiver already we throw away Kerley. He isn’t even a “really good” receiver but he was starting caliber for us. All valid points and concerns. So what do you make out of all that? Deliberate tank season from the Bills? Just standard incompetence?
Ol Dirty B Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, PirateHookerMD said: You cut a vet who doesn't have to go through waivers because you need a DT for the game. I bet he gets re-signed at some point. Plenty of other people could have been cut. The FB never used, all the receivers below Kerley, Jones, a couple of back up offensive linemen. I'm sure a ****ty db exists somewhere. I haven't seen this mentioned but this team game planned to get Kerley involved on the first drive, and I was pissed. I'm sure if i made that post a lot of you would be mad last week. This week he's cut. A disconnect exists between giving a guy two targets opening week then cutting him next week. I don't agree with how this team is being ran at all.
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: All valid points and concerns. So what do you make out of all that? Deliberate tank season from the Bills? Just standard incompetence? Maybe a desperate gambit to generate something, anything in the way of defensive improvement to help the team be more competitive overall by taking some pressure off of the offense, and thus you know, help Allen—oh shoot, I tried but looking back on my effort here I’ve got nothing in the way of a good explanation for their practice squad pickup...you are all dumber now for having read this ? 1
MJS Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 I'm so sad we lost our journeyman WR that was desperate enough to sign with Buffalo, who has been one of the worst offenses in the league for WR's for half a decade or more.
Scott7975 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 WTF he was probably the best receiver we had.
Dadonkadonk Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 27 pages for a crap WR and even worse DT...wow 3
GunnerBill Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 I don't hate this actually. This season is lost... let's find out if Zay is worth keeping around long term and whether we have anything in Foster and Ray Ray. Kerley was another of their FA sticking plasters designed to keep us somewhat competitive in 2018. They haven't worked and he isn't part of the long term plan so let's have a look at guys who might be. I don't think his subtraction makes much difference to Josh Allen. Releasing Kerley and trading McCarron must help on the much loved comp pick formula too!
dave mcbride Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 7 hours ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I stand by my comment Which comment? That I should never post again or that Dawkins is better? Assuming the latter, I actually am in complete agreement about who is the better player going forward, and Dawkins is obviously more important in the organizational sense (young, under control, talented, plays LT). I’m just saying that over the last 9 games or so (going back to last year) Ducasse was the third best player after Incognito and Wood. He did get exposed in the Chiefs game in the first half, bit otherwise he has done his job. Do I expect that to last much longer? Perhaps not given previous performances, but he has been better than I thought he’d be of late. Dawkins had a couple of rough outings last season (eg, Saints, San Diego), but that’s to be expected of a rookie. He had a good rookie season overall and I expect him to improve. 2
Peter Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 4 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said: I have no clue what you mean. I guess you have not been paying attention.
JohnC Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 11 hours ago, Cripple Creek said: you're focusing on one or two moves that I have no problems with. There are other, very head scratching, moves. The context for what McBeane are doing with their many moves revolves around a major rebuilding project. The roster and organization they inherited is being dismantled and rebuilt. Few people (including me) are going to agree with all the many moves. This is not a one or two year project. This is going to take in my estimation at least four years. Hopefully, the major leap forward will come next year when we have a large pool of cap money to work with and a full complement of picks. I'm not a Benjamin fan. I have never been impressed with his work habits, and I don't consider him to be a #1 receiver. But I do understand why the Bills got him last year when the Bills were a fringe playoff team. In the process of rebooting the roster there is going to be a lot of churning of the roster. Because much of it will be at the fringes I'm not going to be caught up in it. My point is that you don't have to agree with all the moves. But for the most part their has been a logic and rationality to them. While many people got caught up in the Peterman frenzy (Gunner most notably) I am not so traumatized as they are because it simply accelerated the planned transition to the rookie qb. The mistake many people are making is that they are looking at last year's playoff experience as a baseline. Make no mistake it was a fluke and didn't represent where this team was ranked. Although expectations were raised because of last year's ending of the playoff drought this was never going to be a quick fix project. In the short term it's not going to be easy and it's going to be painful. Some people face the harsh reality by creating their own fiction. I'm not one of them. 1 1
Cripple Creek Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 27 minutes ago, JohnC said: The context for what McBeane are doing with their many moves revolves around a major rebuilding project. The roster and organization they inherited is being dismantled and rebuilt. Few people (including me) are going to agree with all the many moves. This is not a one or two year project. This is going to take in my estimation at least four years. Hopefully, the major leap forward will come next year when we have a large pool of cap money to work with and a full complement of picks. I'm not a Benjamin fan. I have never been impressed with his work habits, and I don't consider him to be a #1 receiver. But I do understand why the Bills got him last year when the Bills were a fringe playoff team. In the process of rebooting the roster there is going to be a lot of churning of the roster. Because much of it will be at the fringes I'm not going to be caught up in it. My point is that you don't have to agree with all the moves. But for the most part their has been a logic and rationality to them. While many people got caught up in the Peterman frenzy (Gunner most notably) I am not so traumatized as they are because it simply accelerated the planned transition to the rookie qb. The mistake many people are making is that they are looking at last year's playoff experience as a baseline. Make no mistake it was a fluke and didn't represent where this team was ranked. Although expectations were raised because of last year's ending of the playoff drought this was never going to be a quick fix project. In the short term it's not going to be easy and it's going to be painful. Some people face the harsh reality by creating their own fiction. I'm not one of them. Ditching talent, apparently on a whim, doesn't help the team today or tomorrow. Take a look at the 2017 FA off season. What do the Bills have to show for it? They had to spend carefully. What makes you believe that they'll be better at talent evaluation going forward? The most recent move, cutting a WR on a one year contract, does nothing to help today or tomorrow.
GunnerBill Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 30 minutes ago, JohnC said: The context for what McBeane are doing with their many moves revolves around a major rebuilding project. The roster and organization they inherited is being dismantled and rebuilt. Few people (including me) are going to agree with all the many moves. This is not a one or two year project. This is going to take in my estimation at least four years. Hopefully, the major leap forward will come next year when we have a large pool of cap money to work with and a full complement of picks. I'm not a Benjamin fan. I have never been impressed with his work habits, and I don't consider him to be a #1 receiver. But I do understand why the Bills got him last year when the Bills were a fringe playoff team. In the process of rebooting the roster there is going to be a lot of churning of the roster. Because much of it will be at the fringes I'm not going to be caught up in it. My point is that you don't have to agree with all the moves. But for the most part their has been a logic and rationality to them. While many people got caught up in the Peterman frenzy (Gunner most notably) I am not so traumatized as they are because it simply accelerated the planned transition to the rookie qb. The mistake many people are making is that they are looking at last year's playoff experience as a baseline. Make no mistake it was a fluke and didn't represent where this team was ranked. Although expectations were raised because of last year's ending of the playoff drought this was never going to be a quick fix project. In the short term it's not going to be easy and it's going to be painful. Some people face the harsh reality by creating their own fiction. I'm not one of them. I agree with most of this for what it's worth. But Nathan Peterman still sucks and should not be on this roster.
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