sven233 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: Like I said, over exaggerated and over sensationalized. I get it, we are Bills fans so the opinions are gonna be stronger, but doesn’t change the fact for me that Brady is either one or 2 on the GOAT list. The NFL DESTROYED the evidence...... The fact is, the whole thing is A LOT WORSE than the public was told. Otherwise they would not have destroyed everything Sounds like you're a Pats* fan on a Bills board. No other fan of any team would try as hard as you have to defend cheating. Edited September 16, 2018 by sven233
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 minute ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Josh Allen. Don't you think he needs to play at least one full game before he leapfrogs John Skelton?
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 13 hours ago, BigPappy said: Anyone that has Brady on their list is mental. The guy is a cheating POS scumbag who plays for a cheating POS scumbag. He doesn't deserve to be a member of the NFL let alone in the discussion for Top 5 QB's. Been to 8 Super Bowls, 4 more than Montana and 3 more than Elway. He’s played almost half of his career in the Super Bowl and 75% of his career at the AFC Title Game. Its absurd and petty to let a couple couple deflated balls and Jets hand signals invalidate 18 years of complete dominance.
PlayoffsPlease Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 7 hours ago, The Senator said: That is true, but Starr is the only QB to win 3 consecutive Superbowls. Only 2 Super Bowl wins. #1 and # 2
VW82 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rico said: Maybe it's just me, but I have never thought Rodgers was better than Brady. I'm not sure if he would make my top 10. To be clear, I'm not talking about Brady vs. Rodgers all time, only which guy was the best player in any given year. You don't think Rodgers has been a top 10 QB over the last three years? Not sure what sport you're watching. Edited September 16, 2018 by VW82
oldmanfan Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 I had Brady, Montana, Unitas, Graham, and a tie between Rogers and Manning. In retrospect I'd take Manning out. Came up short in big games a lot.
row_33 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 Wow this turned ugly and it is very boring as well 29 rattan lashes for this crime
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Don't you think he needs to play at least one full game before he leapfrogs John Skelton? Nope, he's already there, GOBILLS!!! (Delusional fan speak) 1
VW82 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) I think the knock on Manning underperforming in big playoff games is fair. Manning's record as the higher seed is very misleading though. Go back and show me which of those games he had the better team. Outside of maybe one or two of the Denver losses I promise you you're not going to find many. The reason he was the top seed is because he was so much better than every other QB during his prime that he drastically improved the win totals of those Colts teams. Then when they got to the playoffs and faced very good defenses from the Steelers, Pats, Chargers, Jets, etc., he was just ok and it wasn't enough to overcome the fact that their team wasn't as good (outside of him). I always thought Dungy was so overrated. Colts were consistently outcoached in the playoffs. The early Pats losses will always be fishy. They seemed to know exactly what the Colts were doing in those games, and they're on record sneaking into walk through practices and taping teams during that period. Edited September 16, 2018 by VW82 1
Rico Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 10 minutes ago, VW82 said: To be clear, I'm not talking about Brady vs. Rodgers all time, only which guy was the best player in any given year. You don't think Rodgers has been a top 10 QB over the last three years? Not sure what sport you're watching. No, I meant Rodgers would not make my top 10 all-time. Even if Rodgers was having a big year, I still would take rather have had Brady (with the one exception being the Matt Cassel season).
BigDingus Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 Top 5 in terms of best on-field play & careers? Not pure talent, just in what they did: 1. Tom Brady 2. Joe Montana 3. Peyton Manning 4. Johnny Unitas 5. Aaron Rodgers In terms of most talented, best pure passers? Aaron Rodgers & Peyton Manning would be 1 & 2 respectively.
VW82 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Rico said: No, I meant Rodgers would not make my top 10 all-time. Even if Rodgers was having a big year, I still would take rather have had Brady (with the one exception being the Matt Cassel season). Yeah I would have Brady ahead of Rodgers all time too. But I do think Rodgers is the better player now and has been for some time. He has a higher ceiling IMO, and I would put him top 10 all time. Brady has had the better career though, no question. Edited September 16, 2018 by VW82 1
Kelly the Dog Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 It's hard to argue with Brady's actual play. But if you put Rodgers on the Pats he would still be an absolute stud. And if you put Brady on a couple of those Packer teams with crappy blocking he would likely get killed and may even suck, or at least not play nearly as well as Rodgers did under those circumstances.
Mr. WEO Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 1 hour ago, VW82 said: When would you say he's been considered the consensus best QB?Despite his amazing 2007, I think if you could go back and poll people at the time most would have still picked Manning to start a new team. It was Rodgers who was the best player in 2011 when Manning was out with those neck surgeries, and then Manning came back with two MVP seasons right after, followed by Rodgers winning it again. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I think most would have taken Rodgers over Brady these last three years as the top guy despite Rodgers's injuries and brutal teams he's had to carry to the playoffs. Brady's been fantastic and has probably been the second best QB over that period but he's also been playing on the best team in the league and for the best coach. He's had that advantage for pretty much his whole career. Has there ever been a player in any other sport who was considered the GOAT and yet was never really the consensus best player at his position for an extended period? I think It's a fair question. Well....2007 comes to mind (are you serious with those 2 sentences back to back?). Anyway...best team in the league, you say? Is it because of all of the HOFers Brady has played with on offense? Other than Gronk (and Brady played in 5 and won 4 SBs without him), how many future HOF WRs did Brady and the pats win SBs with? How about RBs? Manningnplayed for years on absolutely stacked offensive rosters and came up short countless times. Wan't Dungy a HOF coach? Look Rodgers is a top 3 QB right now and has been for several years. But 2010 was a lifetime ago in this league. Brady takes a constantly churning roster and goes to SBs. Rodgers doesn't. Brady is more durable as well. As many here have already pointed out, he's been a "consensus best QB" for years.
Alphadawg7 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 4 hours ago, sven233 said: The NFL DESTROYED the evidence...... The fact is, the whole thing is A LOT WORSE than the public was told. Otherwise they would not have destroyed everything Sounds like you're a Pats* fan on a Bills board. No other fan of any team would try as hard as you have to defend cheating. Like I said, over exaggerated and over sensationalized. I love how I’m a Pats fan because I don’t agee with you lol. This topic has nothing to do with Bills fandom, let alone Pats fandom. But if someone around here doesn’t think the way you do it just means we are Pats fans? ???
TwistofFate Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 Peyton Manning Drew Brees Tom Brady Joe Montana Dan Marino
TwistofFate Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 Anyone who puts Rodgers over Brady is delusional. Rodgers has choked over and over under pressure. The dude has Benn in the league over 13 years and has 12 4th quarter comebacks. Meanwhile Brady has triple that. It's easy to coast to a win when you have the lead. Not so easy when you are the one trying to make a comeback. I can honestly say, many many times I've seen Brady with the ball, with under 2 minutes, and said, you gave him too much time, as he masterfully moved his team into scoring position to win another one I've never said that about Rodgers. In fact, I've said the opposite.
BigDingus Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 I always hated when commentators or "experts" threw out "put Rodgers on any of those Patriots teams, and he'd easily have 5 or more rings!" How quick do these people forget that Brady's biggest feather in his cap other than SB wins is the fact that he's usually surrounded with little big name talent, and castoffs from other teams that seemingly become different people when playing with Brady. And the one time Kraft went all out & surrounded Brady with talent? He had an All-Time great year, destroying records left & right, and they went 18-0 until choking against the Giants (not much fault of Brady's though). The running joke has been that you could plug in anyone around Brady, and as long as he's able to remain upright he'll still lead the team to the Super Bowl. Rodgers very well might be able to do the same, but it's not as simple as many want to make it. Who knows if he'd really elevate the people around him to the same level as Brady? Who knows if he'd pull off as many last minute wins or gaming winning drives (though he has done that plenty). And who knows if he'd thrive as much as Brady in Belichick's system, or if he'd be anywhere close to as clutch. One thing I do know, Brady has him beat by a wide margin in what he's actually done on the field. And unlike what many other QB's of dynasties had, with a plethora of all-timers & Hall of Famers, Brady has largely done so as the one core piece plus a rotation of role players. Rodgers reminds me more of a better Marino, while Brady reminds me of a better Montana.
sven233 Posted September 16, 2018 Posted September 16, 2018 9 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: Like I said, over exaggerated and over sensationalized. I love how I’m a Pats fan because I don’t agee with you lol. This topic has nothing to do with Bills fandom, let alone Pats fandom. But if someone around here doesn’t think the way you do it just means we are Pats fans? ??? No..... It just means that no other fan of any team has gone to the lengths you have to defend cheating. But hey....maybe you cheat at things all the time in your life and accept it just like they do. That's fine. To each his own. I just don't respect cheaters no matter how "exaggerated" you think things are. Fact is, it is worse than you want to believe.
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