Sean Mcvay is a savant

[MJS]

Wow. People were singing the praises of McDermott when he took the worst passing QB and a talent deficient roster to the playoffs in his rookie year as a head coach.

 

But man, he's 0-1 this year. Everything we thought we knew about him was apparently false!

 

Bunch. Of. Morons.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...even at 70 years young, Wade was a great hire for his staff IMO..........

[row_33]

7 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

McD reminds me of Marv...mediocre, at best, coach...helluva cheerleader.

 

It takes a special kind of coach to keep a powerful team running for more than a few years.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

McDermott is fine.  He’s a dime a dozen head coach.  The problem is he’s running the team and it’s clearly showing why a defensive coach shouldn’t make offensive personnel moves.

You may have a point CB. Its hard for me to believe that Peterman was a better choice than McCarron.

 

Rumor has it that in Alabama, Daboll wanted to start Tua early in the season. The man is no fool but it isn't easy to tell how much autonomy he has in Buffalo.

Edited September 13, 2018 by Bill from NYC

[Greybeard]

7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

The Rams were 4-12, Gurley was a disaster, and Goff has worse stats than EJ when McVay took over.  They became the highest scoring team in the league with him.  He’s a very, very good coach.

Because if you were in a foxhole with me, I’d kill you first because my foxhole doesn’t allow weakness.  ?

           They also managed to get the ex-Bills receivers who couldn't get open in Buffalo (sarc).   Although I am not sure if this kills your point or makes it.?

[SouthNYfan]

8 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

And without a GM to get him HOF and Pro Bowl talent...so far. 

 

One thing Marv did was manage the enormous personalities in the locker room.  I'm not sure McCoach is close to that either. 

 

8 hours ago, JaCrispy said:

McD reminds me of Marv...mediocre, at best, coach...helluva cheerleader.

 

Like Joe Torre with the Yankees.

Immense talent and personalities.

Basically a high priced babysitter.

[The_Dude]

I’d trade 2 first round picks for Mcvay. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

9 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

McD can't even remember what he had for lunch.

McD's wife: "What did you eat for lunch? You stunk up the bathroom"

 

McD: "RESPECT THE PROCESS!!!"

[SoTier]

8 hours ago, BillsVet said:

 

And without a GM to get him HOF and Pro Bowl talent...so far. 

 

One thing Marv did was manage the enormous personalities in the locker room.  I'm not sure McCoach is close to that either. 

 

I have no problem with McDermott as a HC.  I would prefer him to be less conservative myself but I think he's capable of getting the most out of the talent he's got.  In that he's probably significantly better than Levy.  I think that if he had had the teams that Levy had, he'd have brought at least one Lombardi to Buffalo.

 

However, giving him control of personnel has already proven disastrous.  He absolutely seems unwilling to tolerate players who don't fit his narrow mold, as the trading of Watkins and Dareus last season demonstrated.  Both trades had serious negative consequences for the team on the field in 2017, and the Dareus trade saddled the 2018 team with a huge cap hit as well as necessitating a major investment in a new DT that prevented the Bills from addressing other needs in FA.   Beane's handling of the personnel e v a l and acquisition, even in his short tenure, is seriously suspect.  The result is that in less than about a year and a half,  McDermott and Beane have taken a middle of the pack roster in need of upgrades and turned it into an expansion-team level roster that resembles Swiss cheese.   In this respect, McDermott is worse than even Dick Jauron who took about 3 seasons to gut the Bills roster.

[Bill from NYC]

4 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

 In this respect, McDermott is worse than even Dick Jauron who took about 3 seasons to gut the Bills roster.

Wow, that is a monumental statement ST.

 

It might even be true but I gotta admit, the thought of being worse than Jauron made me burst out laughing.

[The Wiz]

7 hours ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I didn't expect that response. I agree, I don't view it any differently from you when you put it that way.

 

I don't think that gives them a pass though on how poorly they've looked that should have been foreseen. 

I don't think they should be given a pass either. 

 

Like I said, they either learn to play together or keep getting blown out which is going to wear out the "trust the process" quickly with everyone.

[row_33]

8 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

I know hes persona non-grata around these parts, but they say Whaley had something similar.  He remembered every minute of film he ever sent.  A true pornographic memory.

 

I'd hate to think someone out there has the ability to have retained the 50 terabytes of documents I've sifted through in my work, remembering every check number and date and amount, and all audit working papers.

 

 

[JaCrispy]

9 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Jacrispy I swear to god sometimes.....

 

I gotta be me ?

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Wow, that is a monumental statement ST.

 

It might even be true but I gotta admit, the thought of being worse than Jauron made me burst out laughing.

 

Jauron was an incompetent game day coach, and McDermott is infinitely better.  However, Jauron was not nearly as ruthless as McDermott has been in getting rid of players to bring in "his guys".   It wasn't until 2009 that Jauron succeeded in gutting the team.  It's barely been a year and a half since McDermott was hired, and the team is as talentless, perhaps even more so, than Jauron's 2009 roster.   I'd say that makes McDermott worse than Jauron.

 

[BillsPride12]

10 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Love the screen name.  whatdrought. Beautiful.

Whatadrought would be more appropriate 

[blacklabel]

The people that consistently try to run every single coach out of town within one or two seasons... what's your alternative? Firing and hiring new regimes every season is 100% a surefire way to ensure your team will never be a contender. And I'd bet that if your dream coach was hired and he went out and lost a game you'd be screaming for his dismissal as well. It's constant no-win situations with some of you. 

[SoTier]

3 hours ago, Greybeard said:

           They also managed to get the ex-Bills receivers who couldn't get open in Buffalo (sarc).   Although I am not sure if this kills your point or makes it.?

 

They also went out and signed Whitworth, Cinci's long time LT, in FA.  IOW, the Rams gave Goff better protection and better targets.  The improved OL enabled Gurley to run wild.   This year they added more talent on both sides of the ball, which is key, because even great offensive teams can't depend on putting up 30 or 40 points a game.

 

2 hours ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

Like Joe Torre with the Yankees.

Immense talent and personalities.

Basically a high priced babysitter.

 

In today's NFL, between the salary cap and high player salaries, successful HCs coaches need to be exactly that because teams that want to win consistently can't afford to get rid of a talented DT and incurr a $13+ million dead cap hit just because he and the HC or his DC don't see eye to eye.

4 minutes ago, blacklabel said:

The people that consistently try to run every single coach out of town within one or two seasons... what's your alternative? Firing and hiring new regimes every season is 100% a surefire way to ensure your team will never be a contender. And I'd bet that if your dream coach was hired and he went out and lost a game you'd be screaming for his dismissal as well. It's constant no-win situations with some of you. 

 

Make a good hire in the first place works for me.   That's where there needs to be some kind of "process".  The Bills have never really done that, and the Pegulas aren't any better than Wilson in that regard.

 

My guess is that Terry Pegula doesn't hire key personnel for his enterprises simply on a whim like he did Rex Ryan.  I also doubt he turns over full control of any of his enterprises/projects to people who've never held similar jobs before like he did with McDermott and Beane.

[Kelly the Dog]

Plus he can coach!

[mannc]

11 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

It is much harder to find a good DC than a good offensive coach.  

I can’t agree with this at all.  Did you mean to say the opposite?

[BillsVet]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

Jauron was an incompetent game day coach, and McDermott is infinitely better.  However, Jauron was not nearly as ruthless as McDermott has been in getting rid of players to bring in "his guys".   It wasn't until 2009 that Jauron succeeded in gutting the team.  It's barely been a year and a half since McDermott was hired, and the team is as talentless, perhaps even more so, than Jauron's 2009 roster.   I'd say that makes McDermott worse than Jauron.

 

 

I don't think Jauron was gutting the team. That was an effort led by a front office with a bare bones NFL budget that had decided competing was too expensive, especially with a septuagenarian owner. You can't tell me it was DJ who wanted Peters gone,. nor was good with seeing Fletcher or Clements gone in their prime with nothing to replace them but rookies.  

 

I think it's wrong to say McCoach is worse than DJ. It's more accurate to say McCoach is more dangerous because he has more control. And if his process doesn't work, the impact will be much worse.