billsfan89 Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: Ryan Lewis was only here for a nanosecond so not surprised you haven't heard of him.. Bottiger was an UDFA who got a bit of praise during camp... Another work in progress though so keep immeadiate expectations low... At least Bottiger is a young player, I would rather toss him in than Vlad.
purple haze Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 4 hours ago, John from Riverside said: They should be starting Teller! If Teller was better he would be. Why do you think a coach would keep a better player on the bench? How does that serve him/her?
TigerJ Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) If it didn't sound so awkward, we should give him the nickname "Cotter." Unfortunately "Cotter Boettger" just doesn't work. Edited September 13, 2018 by TigerJ
MrEpsYtown Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) Would anyone be mad if Teller and Boettger were the new starters at guard? I wouldn't. I don't care how raw they are. Ducasse and the other guy simply cannot play. Edited September 13, 2018 by MrEpsYtown
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 37 minutes ago, purple haze said: If Teller was better he would be. Why do you think a coach would keep a better player on the bench? How does that serve him/her? The straight answer is it wouldn't of course. The complicating factor is the question, how do you define 'better'? Castillo (and presumably Daboll) are asking the linemen to execute specific schemes which seem to involve a lot of motion and to require specific techniques. There may be linemen who are more physically talented as players, but less able to execute the specific schemes Castillo requires. In which case, the coach would, in fact, be keeping a potentially better player on the bench because that player is worse for their scheme. If that makes any sense at all. 2
MrEpsYtown Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, purple haze said: If Teller was better he would be. Why do you think a coach would keep a better player on the bench? How does that serve him/her? That's pretty much what just happened with the quarterback and the stupid love for Tolbert and even Ramon Humber last year. All year it was clear Milano was better, yet they just kept sticking Humber in there. I'm not sure I understand what they are thinking in their evaluations. Im not sure if Teller or Boettger can do it. I do know that Vlad and Miller cannot. That has already been proven. Edited September 13, 2018 by MrEpsYtown
billsgpr88 Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 5 hours ago, Heitz said: Likes Med Wings, but what do we know about his dipping choice!?!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tXwakHd0UU0
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He should start immediately at RG Now we Redmon and DeBeer back.
Rochesterfan Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 7 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: That's pretty much what just happened with the quarterback and the stupid love for Tolbert and even Ramon Humber last year. All year it was clear Milano was better, yet they just kept sticking Humber in there. I'm not sure I understand what they are thinking in their evaluations. Im not sure if Teller or Boettger can do it. I do know that Vlad and Miller cannot. That has already been proven. I think it has has to do with highs versus lows for specific players and consistency. For example on the O-line - we have seen some signs that Teller was making some nice plays as Guard, but he also totally whiffed on some blocks. In addition he struggled on some of the Combo blocks and getting into space. So his high might be slightly higher at times his low is lower and worse is it is inconsistent. You saw that with Milano last year - he was better on some plays, but Humber was more consistent early. Once Humber got nicked up - Milano took over and played with some consistency and kept the job. Honestly for all the hate - Vlad is not the issue on the o-line - I would not mind seeing if Teller could take over at LG and Vlad goes back to the right and Miller becomes a back-up. I am hoping that Groy just had a bad game because he did not look good and there is not a solid plan for that position. 2
stuvian Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Iowa linemen work out well. This has steadied my nerves going into the weekend
MrEpsYtown Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 40 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: I think it has has to do with highs versus lows for specific players and consistency. For example on the O-line - we have seen some signs that Teller was making some nice plays as Guard, but he also totally whiffed on some blocks. In addition he struggled on some of the Combo blocks and getting into space. So his high might be slightly higher at times his low is lower and worse is it is inconsistent. You saw that with Milano last year - he was better on some plays, but Humber was more consistent early. Once Humber got nicked up - Milano took over and played with some consistency and kept the job. Honestly for all the hate - Vlad is not the issue on the o-line - I would not mind seeing if Teller could take over at LG and Vlad goes back to the right and Miller becomes a back-up. I am hoping that Groy just had a bad game because he did not look good and there is not a solid plan for that position. Fair points all around. I do think Vlad looks terrible at LG and is probably better served on the right side. I do hope that what we saw was more a result of the Ravens front and exotic looks more than anything. Groy still seems unatural at center. To me he is a guard. I do hope that rotate Teller in here or there so he can get some experince and eventually take over for somebody.
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 14 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Am I a bad fan because I’ve never heard of these guys? I'm sure you're really not looking for an answer there
SoCal Deek Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Put the kids in and let them play! If they’re willing to do it with the QB, they should be willing to do it with Interior Linemen. We already KNOW that Vlad stinks. Give the kids a chance.
purple haze Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 12 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: The straight answer is it wouldn't of course. The complicating factor is the question, how do you define 'better'? Castillo (and presumably Daboll) are asking the linemen to execute specific schemes which seem to involve a lot of motion and to require specific techniques. There may be linemen who are more physically talented as players, but less able to execute the specific schemes Castillo requires. In which case, the coach would, in fact, be keeping a potentially better player on the bench because that player is worse for their scheme. If that makes any sense at all. The coaches know the scheme before the draft. If they draft players who cannot execute that they are incompetent at their job. Teller is a fifth round pick for a reason. Perhaps he needs seasoning. I would guess he flashes, but is too inconsistent in the practice setting. 1
GG Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, purple haze said: The coaches know the scheme before the draft. If they draft players who cannot execute that they are incompetent at their job. Teller is a fifth round pick for a reason. Perhaps he needs seasoning. I would guess he flashes, but is too inconsistent in the practice setting. People need to focus on the replays. It's similar to last year when everyone was calling for Miller to start ahead of Ducasse, yet film proved that Miller player worse than Ducasse. Sometimes there's a reason to the madness.
purple haze Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 (edited) 13 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: That's pretty much what just happened with the quarterback and the stupid love for Tolbert and even Ramon Humber last year. All year it was clear Milano was better, yet they just kept sticking Humber in there. I'm not sure I understand what they are thinking in their evaluations. Im not sure if Teller or Boettger can do it. I do know that Vlad and Miller cannot. That has already been proven. You focus on parts of games or preseason games. Practice is where players earn the coaches trust. Milano flashed in games. I would bet money he entered the starting lineup when he consistently outshone Humber in practice. Cadet had started to get more run than Tolbert before he got injured. The basis of that probably began in the practice setting. 11 minutes ago, GG said: People need to focus on the replays. It's similar to last year when everyone was calling for Miller to start ahead of Ducasse, yet film proved that Miller player worse than Ducasse. Sometimes there's a reason to the madness. Yep. Once people get fixated on a player it's hard to readjust their thinking. Sunday Groy and Miller were the worst, yet i keep hearing about Ducasse, and even Mills. ??♂️ Ducasse and Mills have bad moments but it's not always them. Both have gone games when they were decent/good. That said, they would be perfect swing backups. Edited September 13, 2018 by purple haze
YoloinOhio Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 28 minutes ago, GG said: People need to focus on the replays. It's similar to last year when everyone was calling for Miller to start ahead of Ducasse, yet film proved that Miller player worse than Ducasse. Sometimes there's a reason to the madness. This is true. I’m not saying Ducasse is good. But I don’t know why some think Miller is better. 1
LSHMEAB Posted September 13, 2018 Posted September 13, 2018 Teller's got a little givafuq about his game. I liked the pick when it was made and quite frankly, WHAT THE HELL DO YOU HAVE TO LOSE? He's a rookie fifth round guard and certainly not going to change the world, but there's no reason to continue to trot out PROVEN turnstiles.
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