Unless They Are 110% Sold on Allen, Bills Should Draft Another QB in 2019

[ddaryl]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Maybe you aren't, but the decision makers by the names of Beane and McDermott will be. 

 

Then They're idiots, and as of game 1 of  season 2 they are proving to be bumbling.

 

but you nor I have a clue on what they will do, and we do not know what Allen will be at the end of the year.. If things are ugly by December and the QB play is a disaster do we really avoid the biggest positon on the field and go back to being the pathetic no QB Bills backing into the last wild card slot or worse.

 

Until Allen proves without a single doubt then their is huge questions that need to be answered. 

 

I'll move on now

4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

The good QBs came out last year. Maybe one will be worth a top 10 pick if some of the underclassmen declare, but it seems unlikely.

 

 

If that the case and there is no QB worth the top 10 then that will determine who we pick just the same....  I did mention the need for a top QB prospect with upside which I meant a coveted top 10 arm available at our pick

[VW82]

I agree OP. I would never normally say that but McBeane have put Allen (and themselves) in such a tough spot that depending how the season plays out they may have no choice.

 

If they'd just brought him along slowly and waited until second half of the year to start him, no one would be calling for his head in 2018. But as it stands, Allen is going to have 15 games to show he's the man (or not). That's more than enough time. If he doesn't show significant progress then I think you move on from him. They may even have to bench him part way through the season if it gets ugly enough, and that almost never works out for the QB. He's just so raw, who knows how this will go.

 

All we can do is hope Allen overcomes this impossibly bad spot he's been put in. 

Edited September 13, 2018 by VW82

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

If that the case and there is no QB worth the top 10 then that will determine who we pick just the same....  I did mention the need for a top QB prospect with upside which I meant a coveted top 10 arm available at our pick

There isn't a QB worth the pick in this crop. It's okay. This year you want to grab an elite pass rusher with your top 10 pick.

[ddaryl]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

There isn't a QB worth the pick in this crop. It's okay. This year you want to grab an elite pass rusher with your top 10 pick.

 

You feel this is the case but things can change dramatically regarding QB...  I'll wait for end of season to make that determination.

 

the pass rushing is supposed to be very deep. Therefore can be had later if need be, but even those rankings can change by seasons end. 

 

The QB trumps every other position 10x's over (IMO) so if a QB is ranked high enough and Allen stinks it up some or has a horrible injury then we go QB top 10. 

 

There are lots of unanswered questions to be played out before anything we are talking about is even really debatable.

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

 

You feel this is the case but things can change dramatically regarding QB...  I'll wait for end of season to make that determination.

 

the pass rushing is supposed to be very deep. Therefore can be had later if need be, but even those rankings can change by seasons end. 

 

The QB trumps every other position 10x's over (IMO) so if a QB is ranked high enough and Allen stinks it up some or has a horrible injury then we go QB top 10. 

 

There are lots of unanswered questions to be played out before anything we are talking about is even really debatable.

A lot can change but guys don’t come out of nowhere because teams scout a year ahead. Last year’s class was supposed to be great and we saw 5 go in the 1st round. This year, Justin Herbert seems to be the guy with Stidham and Lock behind him. I don’t think that any will grade out as high as last years 1st 3 or 4. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

You feel this is the case but things can change dramatically regarding QB...  I'll wait for end of season to make that determination.

 

the pass rushing is supposed to be very deep. Therefore can be had later if need be, but even those rankings can change by seasons end. 

 

The QB trumps every other position 10x's over (IMO) so if a QB is ranked high enough and Allen stinks it up some or has a horrible injury then we go QB top 10. 

 

There are lots of unanswered questions to be played out before anything we are talking about is even really debatable.

I'm sure there will be an artificially inflated Gabbert type guy like Finley or Lock. I don't think pass rusher is incredibly deep though, I just think it's very topheavy.

[ddaryl]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

A lot can change but guys don’t come out of nowhere because teams scout a year ahead. Last year’s class was supposed to be great and we saw 5 go in the 1st round. This year, Justin Herbert seems to be the guy with Stidham and Lock behind him. I don’t think that any will grade out as high as last years 1st 3 or 4. 

 

 

Yes and no... Could be true. I just won't make that assessment till the offseason myself till its all played out

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I'm sure there will be an artificially inflated Gabbert type guy like Finley or Lock. I don't think pass rusher is incredibly deep though, I just think it's very topheavy.

 

If our scouts identify a QB they feel has great potential then that is all that mattes. Allen was an inflated guy by most every standard

[Alphadawg7]

17 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

You’re conveniently leaving 1 piece out of thread equation.  What helped Goff the most was the guy calling the plays.  The Rams most important hire was Sean McVay.  Were not going to get a coaching change in Buffalo and probably not even an OC change anything soon.

 

Im not worried, I like McD.  And no, the biggest change to their success was the complete overhaul of what was the worst OL in football the year before and adding REAL WR's too.  I love McVay, and not downplaying him, but doesn't matter who the coach is if the OL cant block and WR's cant get open or catch.  So I disagree McVay is what helped him the "most"...impact, absolutely, but OL and WR massive overhaul in one season was more important to Goff because it also allowed Gurley to bounce back too that takes pressure off Goff and keeps D honest.

Edited September 13, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[BuffaloHokie13]

3 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Yes and no... Could be true. I just won't make that assessment till the offseason myself till its all played out

 

If our scouts identify a QB they feel has great potential then that is all that mattes. Allen was an inflated guy by most every standard

This is most certainly arrogant, but at this point I trust my QB evaluations more than the Bills' FO.

[ddaryl]

Just now, BuffaloHokie13 said:

This is most certainly arrogant, but at this point I trust my QB evaluations more than the Bills' FO.

 

 

By February I will have my own opinions just don't follow college enough to have that opinion right now

 

I think they did well with Allen, based off preseason.. but Peterman looked like a stud in preseason too. I have hopes for Allen but they seemed to butcher the rest of the team and that is puzzling

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, ddaryl said:

 

 

By February I will have my own opinions just don't follow college enough to have that opinion right now

 

I think they did well with Allen, based off preseason.. but Peterman looked like a stud in preseason too. I have hopes for Allen but they seemed to butcher the rest of the team and that is puzzling

 

He did? It was a total mirage with the sames holes in his game that he's always had.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Just now, ddaryl said:

By February I will have my own opinions just don't follow college enough to have that opinion right now

 

I think they did well with Allen, based off preseason.. but Peterman looked like a stud in preseason too. I have hopes for Allen but they seemed to butcher the rest of the team and that is puzzling

Allen has definitely flashed some promise. Unfortunately I just think he's going to need some time before anyone has a good grasp on how good he is.

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He did? It was a total mirage with the sames holes in his game that he's always had.

 

He completed close to 80% and had a QBR somewhere near 127.. So yes he clearly looked solid in preseason. 

 

I made many references that I still worried about his arm, but there was 0 doubts who had the best preseason at QB for the Bills...

 

you're in a combative mood today

[DuckyBoys]

Were talking about this after he's played less than two quarters of regular season fb.  Wow just wow

[transplantbillsfan]

We'll be drafting 1 or 2 QBs no matter what.

 

We need a backup.

 

As for drafting a QB with our 1st pick--which will NOT be #1 overall--

 

no

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, ddaryl said:

 

He completed close to 80% and had a QBR somewhere near 127.. So yes he clearly looked solid in preseason. 

 

I made many references that I still worried about his arm, but there was 0 doubts who had the best preseason at QB for the Bills...

 

you're in a combative mood today

 

Those stats mean nothing once the regular season arrives and as I have stated before he did his damage in preseason mostly against no pressure against players who are now watching football on Sundays just like we do.   Meanwhile his lack of physical talent and bad pre-snap determinations of where to go with the ball were still there.  Combative?  I'm merely in a discussion where we happen to disagree.

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

Yes and no... Could be true. I just won't make that assessment till the offseason myself till its all played out

 

If our scouts identify a QB they feel has great potential then that is all that mattes. Allen was an inflated guy by most every standard

Again, things are always subject to change but before the last draft the teams already have the majority of their scouting done for the following year. It’s pretty rare that a guy comes out of nowhere. In fact, it’s much more normal for a guy to regress with more tape (Barkley, Clausen, Geno, etc...). These teams aren’t learning about these guys now. 32 teams already have an opinion on Herbert vs. Stidham. That can change some but there isn’t going to be some guy come out of nowhere that ends up in round 1. 

[DasNootz]

 For better or worse, we are married to Josh Allen at this point (I think for the better). We will be in a highly desirable position come draft time next spring. If the season plays out as many predict, we will have the opportunity to trade back and build this team for years to come and fill many holes through free agency.  

 

We knew this would be a rebuilding year - not a retooling year.  Now that “rebuilding” has shown its ugly head,everyone forgets that this is what we knew we had all along... Two weeks of preseason and typical Bills marketing made us throw caution aside, and we drank it up.

[ddaryl]

24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Those stats mean nothing once the regular season arrives and as I have stated before he did his damage in preseason mostly against no pressure against players who are now watching football on Sundays just like we do.   Meanwhile his lack of physical talent and bad pre-snap determinations of where to go with the ball were still there.  Combative?  I'm merely in a discussion where we happen to disagree.

 

doesn't change the facts.. He looked the best in preseason which it was always best man wins the job. Stats or no stats he completed passes and moved the team down the field consistently in preseason. What else could you probably be looking for in an open competition QB battle. All 3 QB's made similar miss judgements 

 

your initial post was a bit sour. As you have told me to prepare to be upset which wasn't really a discussion it was simply you telling me I am wrong and to go pfffft myself !!!!

 

The whole Perterdude things is hard to argue. I even thought Peterdude would be cut before week 1 before training camp, but No other Bills QB looked better in preseason.. Maybe Allen develops more but in preseason there was no doubt. All 3 made plenty of errors but regardless of what you feel about stats Peterman clearly won the open competition.. Obviously it was a mirage but mirages are still real until the truth is revealed. Its hard to fake it with the solid performances he put up... but that's the scary part

Edited September 13, 2018 by ddaryl

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, ddaryl said:

 

doesn't change the facts.. He looked the best in preseason which it was always best man wins the job. Stats or no stats he completed passes and moved the team down the field consistently in preseason. What else could you probably be looking for in an open competition QB battle. All 3 QB's made similar miss judgements 

 

your initial post was a bit sour. As you have told me to prepare to be disappointed once which wasn't really a discussion it was simply you telling me I am wrong ant to go pfffft myself !!!!

 

The whole Perterdude things is hard to argue. I even thought Peterdude would be cut before week 1 before training camp, but No other Bills QB looked better in preseason.. Maybe Allen develops more but in preseason there was no doubt. All 3 made plenty of errors but regardless of what you feel about stats Peterman clearly won the open competition.. Obviously it was a mirage but mirages are still real until the truth is revealed. Its hard to fake it with the solid performances he put up... but that's the scary part

 

Not the case, it's a realization that the current regime paid a big price to get Allen and they are going to be patient with him as they knew very well that he wasn't a finished product.  Besides that they have not surrounded him with a competent OL and enough reliable weapons in the receiving corps.  You expecting them to draft another QB with a high draft choice will lead to you being disappointed because the evaluation of Allen won't be done after this season and he's definitely their guy.