Nobody should be doubting Beane or McDermott

[PlayoffsPlease]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

What would it take for you to turn on either of them? I'm seriously asking.

Some people think that since Tom Landry and Chuck Noll took 5 years to get things rolling 50 years ago, that that is way all coaching decisions should be made.  These people think you need to wait many many years. Ignoring the modern realities of salary caps, rookie contracts and free agency. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

 

Vontae: Signed for more (if I remember right) money than EJ Gaines (a good starter) and he's a healthy scratch.

 

correct.  Vontae 1 year, $5M, $3M guaranteed.  EJ Gaines 1 year, $4M, $1.4M guaranteed.

[SoCoBills]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Is that going to be the excuse this next season?

 

There were FA OLmen other than Bodine available.

There were Olmen in the draft.

 

Our FO made choices.  Different choices were possible.

 

You can endorse their choices as "lumps to build a winner", but the fact is, they made choices that excluded options that were available, and their choices are open to being questioned as good choices in view of current data.

 

Certainly not - there will be no excuses next year. I can’t foresee another offseason with your 2 best OL retiring unexpectedly. The Bills will have had plenty of time to come up with plans A, B, C & D in FA and the draft to help protect Allen up front. I do think that will be a top priority in year 2.

 

What I find interesting is if they are forced to go Allen in week 2 how does that change things? I wouldn’t be at all shocked to see them start looking at FAs or even trades to protect their future. I don’t think any of them wanted Allen in there right now. Certainly not this early but really almost not at all. 

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

correct.  Vontae 1 year, $5M, $3M guaranteed.  EJ Gaines 1 year, $4M, $1.4M guaranteed.

 

Isnt Gaines hurt again already?  Hopefully Vontae just needs a bit more time but honestly the moment I saw him run I felt man does he look old out there.  

[John from Riverside]

18 minutes ago, DougFlutie7 said:

I was done with McDermott when he punted at his own 40 in OT vs the Colts last year. That told me everything I needed to know about him. And I was done with Beane when he let our division rival beat him to the punch for the 3rd pick. Two incompetent morons. It will take 5 years to recover. 

I am wondering what poser you are that has been banned previously

 

Anybody care to take bets?

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

correct.  Vontae 1 year, $5M, $3M guaranteed.  EJ Gaines 1 year, $4M, $1.4M guaranteed.

The vonte situation does scare me

 

No deflecting that one

[colin]

this is all gonna come down to Josh Allen.  If he is the next Favre, they will sign guys and draft guys and make the team legit in 2019 or 2020 at the latest.  if he isn't, they are all gonezo and we'll end up drafting the best qb in the draft in 2019.

 

the upside of allen is that he's either going to show he's a total stud, or flame out.  he's a sick athlete, cannon arm, big body, and most of all for our team right now, has the confidence of a ten foot man.  he's chomping at the bit to play, while failureman was scared and wanted out from the first snap.

[Búfalo Blanco]

Mickey D preaching patience... Big mistake in the era of instant gratification. I can get my Amazon package in a day, so why can’t you rebuild an NFL franchise in 2 seasons, McBeanie...?!?! 

[26TrapDraw]

1 hour ago, teef said:

this place...is special.

This kind ?

[teef]

Just now, BeefCurtns said:

This kind ?

outstanding!  and yes.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Jaraxxus said:

Oh look. Another over emotional wrong person. Wood retired before the draft. Incognito well after the draft. 

 

Wood's need to retire was known at the end of last season, well before FA.

Incognito had his twitter tantrum about his contract April 5.

Incognito asserted he needed to retire because his "liver and kidneys were shutting down" April 10 and was ack'd by NFLPA April 11th.

 

Draft was April 26-28.

 

1 hour ago, SouthNYfan said:

Can we just change the names on all our wr, oline and dline jerseys to "e.coli" since they are both sh*t.

 

Harsh.  But funny.

[gobills1212]

2 hours ago, DougFlutie7 said:

Wrong, everyone should be doubting them. Stop pretending their God’s gift to football. Stop for one second and realize this roster is a dumpster fire. 

Maybe.. just maybe..  its not an accident

2 hours ago, BuffaloBillies said:

They had plenty of time to adjust to the best 60% of the starting OL leaving. (not enough time left to scout is SO LAME)

Honestly, the OL was not good last year either (or the last 20 years for that matter).

Tyrod/McCoy made them LOOK serviceable because they were quick scramblers.

OL should have been majorly addressed. Been saying it for 20 years... but especially after losing those 3 guys. 

 

And maybe.... just maybe... they knew and just want to get through the year and gain experience, a nice pick, and the oppertunity to get a clean slate for a more accurate representation of their 'vision'

[papazoid]

this season is defacto tanking

 

over $53 million in DEAD MONEY for 2018.  clearing out all those bad contracts  is painful

 

2019 is already Projected to have  $90 million in available cap space.....and that includes Clay, Hughes and McCoy who are all likely gone. That puts you near $110 mil.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, Chemical said:

What about McDermott's terrible in-game decisions?

 

.....more concerned about team preparedness (or lack thereof) and no answers from McD, Daboll, Frazier or Castillo vs Ravens.......gashed all pre-season in Run D......gotta be some talent somewhere on the roster (besides the handful of obvious ones) versus a bunch of empty suits.......inability to adjust is a major concern and with Phillip comin' yo town after 424 yds passing ain't good....

 

[BuffaloHokie13]

I will continue to doubt anyone who sees Nathan Peterman as an NFL QB.

[yrly]

5 minutes ago, papazoid said:

this season is defacto tanking

 

over $53 million in DEAD MONEY for 2018.  clearing out all those bad contracts  is painful

 

2019 is already Projected to have  $90 million in available cap space.....and that includes Clay, Hughes and McCoy who are all likely gone. That puts you near $110 mil.

Talent scouting and coaching helps Belichick gets these no name releases onto the pats, puts them behind Brady and they consistently make the playoffs. 

[yrly]

3 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....more concerned about team preparedness (or lack thereof) and no answers from McD, Daboll, Frazier or Castillo vs Ravens.......gashed all pre-season in Run D......gotta be some talent somewhere on the roster (besides the handful of obvious ones) versus a bunch of empty suits.......inability to adjust is a major concern and with Phillip comin' yo town after 424 yds passing ain't good....

 

Rewatch the game and tell me what adjustments you saw Clappy introduce to try and slow down the offensive onslaught?

Edited September 11, 2018 by yrly

[One Buffalo]

This pretty much says my point of view... 

 

 

 

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For once, I see a plan of action where I haven’t in the past. I saw rosters put together in what seemed like nothing more than a dart throwing contest. This isn’t a Buffalo Bills team whipped up by adding Brandon Spikes, Mike Williams, Bryce Brown and Jerome Felton. This is a methodical, long-term roster building with sustainability in mind. It isn’t the quick-fix that many desperately desire, but that is precisely the reason Sean McDermott has been emphatic that becoming a contender is a “process” that the team and organization must trust.

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

36 minutes ago, SoCoBills said:

 

Talent. It takes time. Unloading that Dareus contract was a start but all that dead cap is brutal right now. Once its freed up more I expect the Bills to get a lot of mid level pieces combined with some nice draft maneuvering. This defense needs to get younger. So some of it is talent. The rest was exhaustion. It’s hard to compete when your offense doesn’t get a single first down to give you a moment to breathe in the entire first half. 

 

Baltimore also won the battle of play calling early. The coaches did also fail but it’s one game. Players sometimes get out played and coaches sometimes get out coached. I saw both happen. 

 

SoCo, the point some others see is that Beane's choices CREATED the dead cap situation that is now being used as a rationale to excuse other actions/lack of action.

 

Those may have been good choices, they may have been hard but necessary choices, or they may have been poor choices, but they are choices, and can be questioned, and in view of other decisions questioned. 

 

For example, they held a fire sale on Dareus and created $13.5M dead cap; then they signed 29 year old Star Lotulelei to a 5 year, $50M contract with a $6.7M cap hit this year. 

One viewpoint would be they traded a younger player who has shown more talent, for a long-term investment in an older, lesser talent.  Maybe it was a good move, or a necessary move, but can you see that it kind of isn't logically consistent with the idea of lacking the cap space to do anything this past year, AND with needing to get younger?

 

They created the situation that is now being used to excuse them.  Maybe it's a necessary situation, but the point is, the brutal dead cap and the limited cap space for FA this year are the result of situations they chose.

 

[Ayjent]

1 minute ago, colin said:

this is all gonna come down to Josh Allen.  If he is the next Favre, they will sign guys and draft guys and make the team legit in 2019 or 2020 at the latest.  if he isn't, they are all gonezo and we'll end up drafting the best qb in the draft in 2019.

 

the upside of allen is that he's either going to show he's a total stud, or flame out.  he's a sick athlete, cannon arm, big body, and most of all for our team right now, has the confidence of a ten foot man.  he's chomping at the bit to play, while failureman was scared and wanted out from the first snap.

We'll see if he is legit, but he's got a long way to go and there is no guarantee he is going to make those strides to get there, and I'm not sure they have the offensive staff that will do the best job in helping him get there.  His pocket presence is skittish - he's a good athlete and he sometimes moves well and other times looks very nervous and uncomfortable moving into pressure rather than away from it.  He holds the ball too long and he's not a master of moving around in the pocket or elusive AF, and that results in getting sacked a lot (hello Rob Johnson).  Those are my biggest issues with his game so far, but his footwork looks much, much better and his accuracy does as well from what I saw in college.  Still a lot of things to get corrected and pocket presence isn't the most coachable thing - guys usually have it or they don't and many don't ever get better at it.  However, there are guys like Aaron Rodgers who was sacked a ton early on in his career and got better and more comfortable in the pocket year after year, but also played behind Favre and had time to develop and learn.  It's disheartening to see guys in their first action light it up that the Bills could have had in the past two drafts, and see this QB situation with a guy that looks like he needs a lot more work to be a capable starter - it'll take a few years to tell for sure, but when you see guys as rookies take things by the horns and show command you know they are going to be good most likely, when you see guys like Allen you know its a long road ahead to be good. 

 

It's not as bad as the Bears situation where they've got to be absolutely kicking themselves for taking Trubisky, but if Allen doesn't show a lot of progress by this time next year it's going to be a huge indictment on the FO and McD who already has trotting Peterman out on a few occasions on the negative side of the ledger.

[Peter]

5 minutes ago, papazoid said:

this season is defacto tanking

 

over $53 million in DEAD MONEY for 2018.  clearing out all those bad contracts  is painful

 

2019 is already Projected to have  $90 million in available cap space.....and that includes Clay, Hughes and McCoy who are all likely gone. That puts you near $110 mil.

 

We shall see who they bring in and who they overpay . . . .

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 minutes ago, yrly said:

Rewatch the game and tell me what adjustments you saw Clappy introduce to try and slow down the offensive onslaught?

 

...I must have missed something......on their first drive, Ravens moved down the damn field faster than Grant took Richmond....shouldn't that be on Frazier?.......who I still don;t think did squat in the pre-season about the Run D getting gashed badly...no Daboll creativity as in try anything?......Castillo's rock solid OL again?.....hard to watch guys like McVay (CREDIT to Wade as his DC) or Pederson get "it" in their respective 2nd years as HC's (and they don't clap clap clap).....it's too often and "OBDitis" fault....pretty sure one of Moo-Larkey's clubs still holds the team record for most scores on opening drives......come 2nd half adjustments, they got smoked faster than a pork shoulder butt............