The negativity from the fanbase is not a knee jerk reaction to week 1

[Foreigner]

For Process Accepted to get personal, telling me to F---- Off, and we are a winning team next year is so sad

and it reflects on him, who can't accept reality.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

29 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

 

Well that leaves you out!

[Billsatlastin2018]

* I'd like to be positive.

* I'd like to see progress- anywhere.

* I'd like to rave about a Rodgers like, 45 yard bomb on the finger tips to cue a memorable comeback. Or... I'd like to see Brady like efficiency! 

* I'd like to see my team, just once, run the table in September OR finish the half at 6-2.

* I'd like to see Offensive Lineman who don't False start- at HOME! 

* I'd like to see ANY Receiver get open and catch a 20 yard out at the sideline with both feet in bounds.

* I'd like to be confident in my HCs game plan and far, far better- that he has enough smarts to change it at half time to overcome adversity.

* I'd like my GM to draft a star quality football player... hell at ANY position and still have them playing a decade later. I'll settle for 5 years now!

* I'd like to see an entire org to be proud of and rave about- not a bunch of stupid, untalented trash and stumblebums at virtually every position- so substandard, you find them on the second page of comparative position stats for the NFL.

 

I'd like to... but I can't. That was soooooo 2006! (And I do remember the wonder of greatness, cheering and positive vibes since I had Season Tix from 1988 to about 2006- where anything seemed possible in the Glory Years.)

 

I'm now a bitter realist. Show me or else- period.

[sleeby]

Why so sad about being worst team in the league during an obvious rebuilding year?  I would be more pissed if we were the 5th worst.  Watch josh and edmunds and white develop - and watch for others yet unknown to step up amd announce their names this year.  Fantasize about the draft and 2019. 

 

I mean, how did you not know what this season was?  Many attacked me a month ago for calling this a rebuild year.  If I know more about the bills than anyone here then yer doing it all wrong!  Ha.  I come here to learn not teach this stuff.  Lead with logic and not emotion - save the emotions for when we're a winning team in a couple.or three years.  

Edited September 11, 2018 by sleeby

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

7 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

And who do you expect to answer you?

 

I hope the venting here helps..

 

 

 

 

All the people complaining about the negativity on this board. If just one of them had a single reason not to be negative about the coach and GM I'm willing to listen. So far all I've seen is MORE people attempting to make fun of me for complaining, which is the origin of the post.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

5 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Why so sad about being worst team in the league during an obvious rebuilding year?  I would be more pissed if we were the 5th worst.  Watch josh and edmunds and white develop - and watch for others yet unknown to step up amd announce their names this year.  Fantasize about the draft and 2019. 

 

I mean, how did you not know what this season was?  Many attacked me a month ago for calling this a rebuild year.  If I know more about the bills than anyone here then yer doing it all wrong!  Ha.  I come here to learn not teach this stuff.  Lead with logic and not emotion - save the emotions for when we're a winning team in a couple.or three years.  

Not sad about it. I saw it coming too. I just think it's ironic we might get the #1 pick the year after getting our QB. There's also no emotion for me regarding the team its just how it is. The emotion comes from people criticizing the negative posters who are correct and have been for as long as I can remember.

3 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

I’ll do better than that:

 

Josh Allen

Tre White

Tre Edmunds

Dion Dawkins

Harrison Phillips

 

Thank you, finally someone with something constructive. I'm excited about these players of course, just wish there was more around them.

[Johnnycage46]

18 minutes ago, Chemical said:

All the people complaining about the negativity on this board. If just one of them had a single reason not to be negative about the coach and GM I'm willing to listen. So far all I've seen is MORE people attempting to make fun of me for complaining, which is the origin of the post.

 

Personally I'm not making fun of you and my reason for offering advice to not be too invested is that getting angry won't change anything.  Easier said than done, I know.  But at the end of the day, you will be the only one that suffers (this is coming from someone who has his own share of anger issues that just end up hurting me somehow).

 

I think, since this IS a discussion forum, it's obviously fine and encouraged to discuss things but it can snowball so quickly into just a negative cesspool.  Kinda like what is happening all across the country on social media, on the news, etc.

 

EDIT:  to add to this thought, the above is one of the main reasons I have bashed Mike Schopp on WGR so much.  I think he has spent so much time being negative (whether justified or not) that its almost made his default response negative.  I think that is what I mean by not getting too invested emotionally.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Johnnycage46

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

This is why the franchise can’t have a quick trigger. They’ve already shown to be pretty adept at drafting.

Not sure what you mean by quick trigger, but they are the 2nd oldest team in the league so that's a lot of drafting. The players Beane traded were all still very young and could have been part of that core you listed.

[RobbRiddick]

I was thinking about this today when someone was talking about how the Jets have improved. I thought why the hell can't the Bills get to that stage where they look like a genuinely good up and coming young team? 

 

In this day and age of the salary cap and parity we should have at least reached this stage at some point over the last couple of decades, but we always look like a rag tag bunch, perfect for the football equivalent of a Major League movie but frustrating as hell as a fan. 

 

The losing itself is bad enough but at least lose in an entertaining way, scoring some points and making big plays. The Bills are always so dreary. If we were a weather we'd be sleet, if we were a music we'd be John Denver and if we were a colour we'd be beige. 

Edited September 11, 2018 by RobbRiddick

[BillsVet]

The only thing McBeane have shown is that they can deconstruct a roster. Whether they can rebuild it is another story.  They've taken their QB of the future and McCoach got his LB in 2018.  Beyond that I see little to nothing in talent on the OL (besides Dawkins), the WR group is and has been poor and the RBs are old.  The defensive is by no means close to being a strong unit either despite plenty of UFA dollars and draft picks going to that side in the past 2 years.   

 

I had/have high hopes for the GM and HC, but entering the 2nd season of this rebuild looks like it's already stalled.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

3 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

Personally I'm not making fun of you and my reason for offering advice to not be too invested is that getting angry won't change anything.  Easier said than done, I know.  But at the end of the day, you will be the only one that suffers (this is coming from someone who has his own share of anger issues that just end up hurting me somehow).

 

I think, since this IS a discussion forum, it's obviously fine and encouraged to discuss things but it can snowball so quickly into just a negative cesspool.  Kinda like what is happening all across the country on social media, on the news, etc.

I saw your post as constructive. I'm not angry, more confused as to how anyone can have a positive outlook on this team and also criticize those who are negative. Especially considering the franchise's lack of success over the years.

[oldmanfan]

26 minutes ago, Chemical said:

All the people complaining about the negativity on this board. If just one of them had a single reason not to be negative about the coach and GM I'm willing to listen. So far all I've seen is MORE people attempting to make fun of me for complaining, which is the origin of the post.

With the two of them they team made the playoffs last year.

[yungmack]

49 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

Sad I have to say this, but you are completely correct, and I attended the first Bills camp at Seymour Knox's estate and the first Bills game at the Rockpile, so I've seen a lot of crappy regimes. This one is looking more and more like "more of the same." I'm beginning to think McBeane's "vision" is more about creating an intense Fellowship of Christian Athletes bible study group than a winning NFL team

 

[Johnnycage46]

2 minutes ago, Chemical said:

I saw your post as constructive. I'm not angry, more confused as to how anyone can have a positive outlook on this team and also criticize those who are negative. Especially considering the franchise's lack of success over the years.

 

I agree with you on a lot of your statements above.  I think the board is quick to call negative posts overly negative and positive posts overly positive.  My bet is that there are just SO many of the negative threads now that people are getting fed up with it.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

20 minutes ago, Jaraxxus said:

 

dareus and Glenn I don’t think had a place. Dareus was criminally overpaid and Glenn just wasn’t reliable. Watkins, maybe.

 

edit: what I mean is you have people here calling for them to be fired.

Hard to say Glenn didn't have a place on this brutal O line. Could have been an injury thing. Dareus may be overpaid I'll give you that even though it's arguable. However, couldn't they have just kept Dareus instead of paying 13.5 mil in dead cap for him and 10 mil to Star? Watkins is now the 4th receiving option on an AFC rival but would still be our best WR.  

 

It would be hard to impossible to fire them at this point, but I have very little faith especially in the coach based on his multitude of his in-game decisions which can be proven incorrect with 100% certainty. Not even including starting Peterman twice when you know he's trying to win.

 

EDIT: I just want to add that I have a positive outlook about Josh Allen after not liking the pick. He has shown me some things and I think he might be good.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Chemical

[gobills1212]

Dont you guys ever get sick of talking about this??

Poster above is right in that this place is turning into facebook with ill informed randos that dont pay attn offering their takes. Its what made the BBMB unreadable. Sunday cant come soon enough, bc then at least there will be new things to bemoan. That said, each person who comes along and thinks their pissed off take is worth starting a new thread is laughable. Not only do they not know what they are talling about, apparently they cant read either. We need a test like the Canadian lotto before a post can be published. That would at least help...

[Mat68]

The off season and offense had a slow burn feel.  If everything went just so they could compete and be competitive.  Nate Peterman was gasoline on that slow burn.  

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

4 minutes ago, gobills1212 said:

Dont you guys ever get sick of talking about this??

Poster above is right in that this place is turning into facebook with ill informed randos that dont pay attn offering their takes. Its what made the BBMB unreadable. Sunday cant come soon enough, bc then at least there will be new things to bemoan. That said, each person who comes along and thinks their pissed off take is worth starting a new thread is laughable. Not only do they not know what they are talling about, apparently they cant read either. We need a test like the Canadian lotto before a post can be published. That would at least help...

Talking about what? You're the one whose reading comprehension should be called into question. This thread is about how the backlash to the negative posters is illogical. You're just adding to that. The OP only says you are wrong and have been wrong for years.

[bdutton]

Yes it is.

 

Edited September 11, 2018 by bdutton

[mrags]

1 hour ago, Mark80 said:

This site is becoming almost as unbearable to visit as my facebook account.  Sad.

This is what happens when all the trash from other sites come over. It’s basically unbearable at this point.