The negativity from the fanbase is not a knee jerk reaction to week 1

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

[Mark80]

This site is becoming almost as unbearable to visit as my facebook account.  Sad.

[Foreigner]

Telling it like it is my friend.

[mead107]

Want a crying towel.  

Another thread that we suck. 

 

Look at me.  I want my own thread

[BeginnersMind]

Last year, a bunch of vets played their hearts out and got lucky to make the playoffs on a team with a -57 point differential. 2 pro bowlers from that team are no longer in football, the rest aged, and they are paying 50 million to players not on the roster. And the #1 pick isn't contributing because he needs to develop. 

 

Beane tried to fix it with smoke and mirrors last year and this with short term cap friendly contracts to aging vets, but until the team clears age and cap hell, there's not a great foundation in Buffalo. There is literally NOTHING to build on for the 3-4 year future from last year except Dawkins and White...maybe Milano. No other player from 2017-2018 will be on the team in 2020. Think about how bad that is.

 

That is the turd sandwich courtesy of Whaley and Ryan. There is no quick fix, but the fixing starts over the next two years. Hopefully after 3 years of drafting and smarter cap management, the team can start to resemble something. 

 

If you think a pop gun quick fix of drafting a WR this year would fix the hell they are in, you're nuts. This team clears cap hell next season. Their young QB, who they do not want to ruin by putting him in too early, needs to grow. There is hardly a single position where they don't need help. Cap hell and 2 more drafts could put them in a spot where they may improve. 

 

I just hope management doesn't cave to a frustrated fan base and change the GM and coach who got handed literally nothing to work with. How is the plan of changing a coach and GM every third year working out over the last 20+ years?

 

And yes, let's attack McDermott and Beane for not hanging on to a guy who wanted more money...but couldn't lead a TD drive in the playoffs. And who completed 30% of his passes Sunday. Or blame them for getting rid of AJ McCarron...who was clearly lining up to save the season! At least they got a pick for him. God only knows what the Raiders were thinking. 

Edited September 11, 2018 by BeginnersMind

[Haze_21]

Before the season i said you need to start mccarron or allen. Probably mccarron with a likelihood of putting in allen towards the end of the season. I dont give a **** about preseason, and even though petermans numbers were ok you could still plainly see a regular season d would eat him up. But we name peterman the freaking starter. That is when i gave up on the season and lo and behold he peterboy ***** the bed in game one.

[Seasons1992]

3 minutes ago, Mark80 said:

This site is becoming almost as unbearable to visit as my facebook account.  Sad.

 

The newcomers certainly have affected the  happiness/fun factor of TBD for sure.

But, welcome! Things sort themselves out eventually.

 

Go Bills.

Edited September 11, 2018 by Seasons1992

[26CornerBlitz]

8 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

 

Can this be classified as a Chemical reaction?  

[Johnnycage46]

13 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

 

In fairness, if you are this frustrated maybe take a break from the team for a while?  It's going to probably get a lot worse before it gets better.

[Johnny Hammersticks]

Enjoy that, OP.

[May Day 10]

I was fully prepared and comfortable with a lean transition season of 4-6 wins.

 

What i watched sunday was a complete systemic failure

[Rc2catch]

Here’s my beef... 

What does all the crying and whining accomplish? 

If some members are soooooo smart about the direction of this team why are you working 9-5’s or hanging in moms basement? Shouldn’t you be climbing the scouting ladder and working your way into the nfl? 

We are ALL unqualified nfl talent evaluators.

There are 32 coaches and 32 gm’s. Who are we to criticize and beg for firings in year 2 of a massive project? 

I’m as bummed out and disappointed as anyone by the ONE game we played. I was one of those who expected more from Nate, certainly expected more from the defense. 

However I’m not on here arguing and crying about the state of the team. 

It is what it is, accept the “process” and cheer for your team or go find a new team. I hear the pats and cowboys have room on their massive bandwagons 

[TheBeane]

So we won 9 games last year.  We fielded a team that was good enough to win 9 games.  So instead of winning 9 games we game plan to lose them all?  Because that would have been what it took to only POTENTIALLY get the #1 overall pick with the Browns at 0 - 16.

 

And how does that exactly occur if you have the talent to win 9 games?  Do you go out of your way to game plan to lose every game?  With the personality it takes to be a NFL Player/Coach, that is just not possible.  I do not have delusions that we are going to the playoffs again this year, or winning more than 5 or 6 games, but one game does not a season make.

 

 

[Success]

Let’s see what happens.  Josh might make all the difference if we start him.  Any defense will give up a lot of points if the offense can’t get a single first down.

 

And when all is said and done, the Ravens may be the best team in the afc.

 

There.  That’s my positive hot take, and I’m sticking by it.

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

Here’s my beef... 

What does all the crying and whining accomplish? 

If some members are soooooo smart about the direction of this team why are you working 9-5’s or hanging in moms basement? Shouldn’t you be climbing the scouting ladder and working your way into the nfl? 

We are ALL unqualified nfl talent evaluators.

There are 32 coaches and 32 gm’s. Who are we to criticize and beg for firings in year 2 of a massive project? 

I’m as bummed out and disappointed as anyone by the ONE game we played. I was one of those who expected more from Nate, certainly expected more from the defense. 

However I’m not on here arguing and crying about the state of the team. 

It is what it is, accept the “process” and cheer for your team or go find a new team. I hear the pats and cowboys have room on their massive bandwagons 

Well I am. I threw out some serious questions I have about the coach and GM.

2 minutes ago, TheBeane said:

So we won 9 games last year.  We fielded a team that was good enough to win 9 games.  So instead of winning 9 games we game plan to lose them all?  Because that would have been what it took to only POTENTIALLY get the #1 overall pick with the Browns at 0 - 16.

 

And how does that exactly occur if you have the talent to win 9 games?  Do you go out of your way to game plan to lose every game?  With the personality it takes to be a NFL Player/Coach, that is just not possible.  I do not have delusions that we are going to the playoffs again this year, or winning more than 5 or 6 games, but one game does not a season make.

 

 

I never said lose on purpose. Just that it's ironic we might get the #1 pick the year AFTER giving draft capital to get our QB.

6 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:

 

In fairness, if you are this frustrated maybe take a break from the team for a while?  It's going to probably get a lot worse before it gets better.

Thinking about it, but want to see how Allen plays.

[njbuff]

I can deal with the Bills being bad because the reward for being the worst team in the NFL in 2018 is a game-changing DT named Nate Oliver from the University of Houston as the first pick in the 2019 draft. This kid could easily be the next Bruce Smith for this franchise. He’s that good.

 

The two most important questions moving forward are............

 

1. Is Josh Allen the answer moving forward, while surviving a miserable season?

 

2. Do you trust McBeane to turn this around?

Edited September 11, 2018 by njbuff

[Bob in STL]

17 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

 

 

If only one could live each day and then relieve it a second time, just to get everything right and make everything perfect all the time.  

 

It must be very hard for you and it has to be very stressful being negative all the time ... even when you are right, this cannot be healthy. 

 

 

 

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Well I am. I threw out some serious questions I have about the coach and GM.

 

 

And who do you expect to answer you?

 

I hope the venting here helps..

 

 

 

 

[26TrapDraw]

25 minutes ago, Chemical said:

Those of us who are negative all the time are right. We were right last year and the previous 17 years, and we are right this year. Is it a coincidence? Maybe, but everyone with rose colored glasses is has been and continues to be wrong. It's that black and white.

 

You might say "We made the playoffs last year!"  However, anyone who watched the team could tell they were completely inept on offense (and defense for a few games after trading Dareus) and had no chance at a superbowl (which is the goal of football in the NFL in case you forgot). So getting to kick a field goal in the playoffs only made us use draft capital to get the 3rd QB off the board. This draft capital was built by trading away talented YOUNG players at positions we currently desperately need help at.

 

The above paragraph describes the BEST season the Bills have had in the past 18 years.

 

This season it looks like they are the worst team in the league. Set up for the #1 overall pick. Which would have been great LAST YEAR. That way they could have used that draft capital on an offensive line and some WRs, and try to make the playoffs this year with their young QB. The irony is too painful to me and others on this board with half a brain. That is why we are negative. 

 

So I'm a little sick of hearing that we are being too negative after one bad game. It's not just one game. It's all the personnel moves (or lack thereof) that make no sense. It's the Jets-Chargers-Saints stretch last year. It's McDermott punting late in overtime against the Colts. It's a draw play on 3rd and 17 with a false start followed by a draw play on 3rd and 22 after the Ravens saw us attempt a draw play on 3rd and 17. It's the poor clock management, and it's the fact that despite the fact that they are in the second year of a "rebuild" they are the 2nd OLDEST team in the NFL.

Holy crap man. Someone bring this guy a Waaahburger and some french cries.

[Fadingpain]

Things would be so much more pleasant and productive around here if this message board would divide off into two separate message boards.

 

One for the kool aid "positive" people and one for the "negative" realists.

 

95% of the fighting around here comes from eternal conflict between those two fundamental differences in perspective.

 

Little productive football discussion takes place as a result.