Best Player Available Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 2 hours ago, ScottLaw said: Which is exactly why I said McDermott should stay away from all offensive personnel decisions. He does not have a clue offensively. Not sure Beane does either. Neither does Dabol based on what I saw.
cd1 Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) Accountability, right now to me, is displaying some degree of football intelligence! Dear Coach, PLEASE, for the love of GOD, say something that will lead me to believe that you have some clue as to why the whole team performed so poorly AND that you may be up to the task of FIXING THE PROBLEM! Up until now you have insisted that we fans "trust the process" (in other words "pay no attention to that coach man behind the curtain") and suspend our critical thinking skills and all we see with our own eyes to buy you unlimited time to field a team. For me -Times Up! In reality, opening day was a TOTAL TEAM FAILURE. Not just offense. Not just defense. Not just special teams. Not just players. This has been a Crisis of Coaching. What is wrong with an NFL coaching staff who had to take forever to "evaluate" personnel? What is wrong with an NFL coaching staff who ALL so totally failed to prepare a team for opening day? What is wrong with an NFL coaching staff who did not recognize weeks ago that this team desperately needed an upgrade in talent at nearly ALL positions. What is wrong with a head coach who would not demand more support from a GM and Owners. BLA BLa BLa... Skeptically Yours, CD1 Edited September 10, 2018 by cd1 1
Nihilarian Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 If McD hands to keys to the car to Allen he would be giving him a broken down Volkswagon bus, not a Z L1 Corvette. Patrick Mahomes has a ZL1 Corvette. 1
BullBuchanan Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) I didn't like McDermott as a hire, and there are a lot of things I don't like about him as a coach. However, he doesn't owe you or anyone else besides his boss an explanation. Every decent coach and smart player in the league gives bland explanations and old cliches when asked pointed questions. There's a zero percent chance that McDermott will ever come out and say a particular player played badly. That's just common sense. You don't throw your own people under the bus to people outside the organization. Management 101. With that said, McDermott actually gives out a pretty decent amount of information if you read between the lines of talking points he grazes over and if you pay attention to his cadence. You need to filter out the coach speak to get there though. It also doesn't help when reporters ask terrible questions that they know will be met with canned responses. Also, it's impossible for the fans to know when guys run the wrong routes or take the wrong assignments. At field level, it's probably also very difficult to see as a coach. To really know what happened and why you need an elevated view. It would be irresponsible to speak to those things without proper data. Edited September 10, 2018 by BullBuchanan
ColoradoBills Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: If McD hands to keys to the car to Allen he would be giving him a broken down Volkswagon bus, not a Z L1 Corvette. Patrick Mahomes has a ZL1 Corvette. Yes and yes. Add to the analogy the VW bus has bad brakes, shot suspension and no air bags. How many parents want their teenage kid driving that?
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Posted September 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: I didn't like McDermott as a hire, and there are a lot of things I don't like about him as a coach. However, he doesn't owe you or anyone else besides his boss an explanation. Every decent coach and smart player in the league gives bland explanations and old cliches when asked pointed questions. There's a zero percent chance that McDermott will ever come out and say a particular player played badly. That's just common sense. You don't throw your own people under the bus to people outside the organization. Management 101. With that said, McDermott actually gives out a pretty decent amount of information if you read between the lines of talking points he grazes over and if you pay attention to his cadence. You need to filter out the coach speak to get there though. It also doesn't help when reporters ask terrible questions that they know will be met with canned responses. Also, it's impossible for the fans to know when guys run the wrong routes or take the wrong assignments. At field level, it's probably also very difficult to see as a coach. To really know what happened and why you need an elevated view. It would be irresponsible to speak to those things without proper data. Says the guy that was okay with Peterman’s 0.0 QB rating
BuffaloRebound Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 These coaches and front office personnel supposedly sleep at the office and work 18 hours per day. How on earth do you put in that time for the last 9 months and put that turd of a product out in the field? I don’t care if you’re rebuilding, usually it takes a few games for teams to figure you out even if you’re terrible. Yes, breaking the 17 year drought was great, but these guys are probably a little too secure in their jobs putting that dumpster fire on the field yesterday.
K-9 Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: This isn’t intended to be a pitchfork thread as there are already 59 of them. One thing that really, really bothered me yesterday when McDermott talked about the need to look at the tape after the game before commenting on certain things. It was clear to literally everyone that Peterman was a disaster. Phillip Gaines should change his number to ?. McDermott wasn’t being transparent at all. He might have thought that he was helping his team but he was insulting the fan base. He would have earned a lot more respect by holding himself accountable like he preaches. He talks an awful lot about accountability and then doesn’t practice it. I know I would have had a lot more respect for him if he told it like it was instead of sticking his head in the sand. Are you angry because he said he had to look at the tape or because he will look at the tape? Because he, as do all the coaches and players, certainly needs to look at the tape; they'd be derelict in their duties if they didn't. I understand how McDermott's milquetoast act can wear thin, especially after the several total blowout losses we've witnessed since he became coach, but if anyone expects his level of public outrage to rise to the level of the fan base, that's just not going to happen. His personality doesn't lend itself to that kind of display. Better get used to being insulted if that's how you take it.
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Says the guy that was okay with Peterman’s 0.0 QB rating 0% his fault apparently. A lot of 0s doing the rounds. 1
BullBuchanan Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Says the guy that was okay with Peterman’s 0.0 QB rating Oh, ok. I didn't know you just wanted to cry. Carry on then.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, K-9 said: Are you angry because he said he had to look at the tape or because he will look at the tape? Because he, as do all the coaches and players, certainly needs to look at the tape; they'd be derelict in their duties if they didn't. I understand how McDermott's milquetoast act can wear thin, especially after the several total blowout losses we've witnessed since he became coach, but if anyone expects his level of public outrage to rise to the level of the fan base, that's just not going to happen. His personality doesn't lend itself to that kind of display. Better get used to being insulted if that's how you take it. I want him to look at the tape. I don’t want him to NEED to look at the tape to recognize what a dumpster fire yesterday was. That’s kind of my point I guess. Just own it, say how bad it was and say you will work to fix it. Again, if the game is close I’m fine with the “we need to evaluate” or “we need to look at the tape.” When you are thoroughly dominated that same lip service doesn’t fly with me (and apparently a lot of others). 1 1
GoBills808 Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, Soda Popinski said: Same thing Jauron used to spout after a loss. He never said anything other than "look at the tape". Always with the excuses, guys come in here with the same formulas we've seen 1000 times before. And they wonder why we lose faith so fast. I'm ok with us being beat by Baltimore, they were a better team all around. And I didn't think we were a contender this year. But the way we lost this game, the complete and utter humiliation of that blowout is unacceptable. Losing 20-13 ok I get it. 40-3=we have no idea what we're doing. Not necessarily. See: Patriots v Chiefs 2015. Think it was 44-13 or something similar on a Monday night. Sometimes it happens.
GunnerBill Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 I don't know if he has addressed the media today yet but what I want to hear is an overt admission that yesterday was not acceptable and that responsibility for it ultimately rests on him. I expect him to say clearly that he is making a change at Quarterback and I want him to take personal responsibility for the decision to start Peterman. That was a mistake.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, BullBuchanan said: Oh, ok. I didn't know you just wanted to cry. Carry on then. Ha ha, this may be the day to bury your head in the sand instead of continuing to defend the scrub that you wanted. Today isn’t the day to defend that bum. As a general rule of thumb you can say good things about him after practices and some preseason games. You should avoid defending him after any meaningful NFL action. Just now, GunnerBill said: I don't know if he has addressed the media today yet but what I want to hear is an overt admission that yesterday was not acceptable and that responsibility for it ultimately rests on him. I expect him to say clearly that he is making a change at Quarterback and I want him to take personal responsibility for the decision to start Peterman. That was a mistake. 4:00 eastern today
Wayne Cubed Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I want him to look at the tape. I don’t want him to NEED to look at the tape to recognize what a dumpster fire yesterday was. That’s kind of my point I guess. Just own it, say how bad it was and say you will work to fix it. Again, if the game is close I’m fine with the “we need to evaluate” or “we need to look at the tape.” When you are thoroughly dominated that same lip service doesn’t fly with me (and apparently a lot of others). And that’s exactly it. If it’s one or 2 plays or a couples series that decided the game, by all means say you need to look at the tape. But come on, that was a complete and utter domination by the Ravens. You don’t need to look at the tap to determine that. It was bad. Say that. It was unacceptable. Say that too. Edited September 10, 2018 by Wayne Cubed 1
BullBuchanan Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: Ha ha, this may be the day to bury your head in the sand instead of continuing to defend the scrub that you wanted. Today isn’t the day to defend that bum. As a general rule of thumb you can say good things about him after practices and some preseason games. You should avoid defending him after any meaningful NFL action. 4:00 eastern today I know it's difficult to stay on topic, but this thread and my response have nothing to do with quarterbacks. You wanted to talk about McD, so that's what I did. If you're looking for a pissing match, move along.
nucci Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I’m sure you people have tons of experience running winning corporations and professional sports teams. ? and neither do they
Matt_In_NH Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 4 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said: I don't know. What I saw was a complete team failure, not one player. The O-line was a total disaster. When either NP or Allen got the ball to a receiver, they dropped it. Even the TV guys pulled out the tele-strator showing how not one receiver got open on pass plays. Maybe McDermott should have been more angry with his players, but maybe he should be mad at himself and Beane? Total team failure is right, I cant remember a game where it was more disappointing to watch than yesterdays game. There was like nothing positive to take from the game to me, at no point did it seem like they could compete. Normally a blowout like this has defensive or special teams TD's. This was just one team kicking the crap out of the other team in all facets, kind of like happens in college. That does not happen much in the NFL.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 10, 2018 Author Posted September 10, 2018 1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said: I know it's difficult to stay on topic, but this thread and my response have nothing to do with quarterbacks. You wanted to talk about McD, so that's what I did. If you're looking for a pissing match, move along. I’m not looking for a pissing match but in the spirit of “accountability” I would expect you and the other Petermaniacs to have some as well. No one likes to be wrong but we all are sometimes.
K-9 Posted September 10, 2018 Posted September 10, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I want him to look at the tape. I don’t want him to NEED to look at the tape to recognize what a dumpster fire yesterday was. That’s kind of my point I guess. Just own it, say how bad it was and say you will work to fix it. Again, if the game is close I’m fine with the “we need to evaluate” or “we need to look at the tape.” When you are thoroughly dominated that same lip service doesn’t fly with me (and apparently a lot of others). But he does need to look at the tape. Viewed in the context of the game situation and play call, it will reveal a ton of information about individual performance. And you know that as well as anyone. Like I said, his personality doesn't lend itself to the kind of outrage we need to see and hear from him publicly; it's the same story after every blowout loss and there have been several now. My bigger concern is how flat this team looked coming out. That's on the coaches as well as the players. He just may not be head coach material.
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