Is it time for Kaepernick?

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

This Kap talk is so dumb, whenever someone points to crappy QB. Kap was making... what 7mil a year? Elway said they offered him a job for less money and Kap turned it down (way to be a victim Kap). How much does Peterman make since we are comparing the two? I bet it;s a lot less than 7mil....

Not sure why people forget A) the player/agent has to agree to the contract and team... B) There is such thing as cap space to consider. 

This is misinformation and more intellectual dishonesty—by both you and Elway.  The Broncos supposedly offered Kaep $7 million in connection with trade talks with the 49ers in 2016, BEFORE Kaepernick began protesting.  Kaep did not want to restructure his contract at that time.

[LB3]

1 minute ago, LaDexter said:

 

 

 

So if you notice that Colin Kaepernick is a bad teammate, that he put his personal views on the team logo, flipped the bird at teammates who did not agree, called them names, and is still to this day unable to cite one single instance in his life where he was a victim.... you are a white supremacist.

 

Thanks, OBAMA YOUTH.

 

Have you figured out that Barack is a cocksucker with a man for a "wife" yet....

Dude, your trolling is bad enough on PPP. GTFO.

[JM57]

22 minutes ago, LaDexter said:

time for Kaepernick.... to be deported to Africa.

Thanks for the visit to TBD, David Duke

[mannc]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

That, and he's not very good.  His last year was his best...and he was 17th in the league.  Then he quit.  Then after no one signed him, he whined that it was about his politics, because it's apparently inconceivable that no one would want a mediocre QB who quits on his team.

 

Kaep's not playing because of Kaep.

 

C’mon, you know that teams aren’t refusing to sign him because he quit.  Did teams turn their backs on Khalil Mack because he refused to play for the Raiders, despite still being under contract and having no ability to opt out?

 

Yes, I figured out that Dexter is not worth egaging with.  Surprised he’s allowed to post here.

[PolishPrince]

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

This is misinformation and more intellectual dishonesty—by both you and Elway.  The Broncos supposedly offered Kaep $7 million in connection with trade talks with the 49ers in 2016, BEFORE Kaepernick began protesting.  Kaep did not want to restructure his contract at that time.

Ok so answer me this. As he was brought in to multiple teams, or teams might have reached out to his agent... Has there been any indication he is willing to take a pay cut? No one knows ANY of the numbers. For all we know he could be demanding starter money while being offered to be a backup somewhere. Why would you pay your backup 5-7 million a year to just create media controversy if your starter has one bad game, and deal with with the media circus on top of it? Do any backups make anywhere near that amount???

6 minutes ago, mannc said:

This is misinformation and more intellectual dishonesty—by both you and Elway.  The Broncos supposedly offered Kaep $7 million in connection with trade talks with the 49ers in 2016, BEFORE Kaepernick began protesting.  Kaep did not want to restructure his contract at that time.

 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, PolishPrince said:

Ok so answer me this. As he was brought in to multiple teams, or teams might have reached out to his agent... Has there been any indication he is willing to take a pay cut? No one knows ANY of the numbers. For all we know he could be demanding starter money while being offered to be a backup somewhere. Why would you pay your backup 5-7 million a year to just create media controversy if your starter has one bad game, and deal with with the media circus on top of it? Do any backups make anywhere near that amount???

I don’t know the details of those negotiations, if any even occurred, and neither do you.  That is obviously something that will be hashed out as part of his grievance arbitration against the league.  However, I’m pretty sure Kaepernick has publicly said he would sign for far less than he was previously making.

[PolishPrince]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

I don’t know the details of those negotiations, if any even occurred, and neither do you.  That is obviously something that will be hashed out as part of his grievance arbitration against the league.  However, I’m pretty sure Kaepernick has publicly said he would sign for far less than he was previously making.

Only thing I have seen him say is "I will stand for the anthem if I was signed." So if you can provide some info of him willing to sign for the going rate for a veteran back up that would be great.

Why would you want a backup QB with the constant media attention/circus, especially if your QB has one bad game.

[Alphadawg7]

16 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

And you and others keep leaving out, that he has refused to take less pay to be a backup or fight for a starting role.

Him "sacrificing everything" is him probably making more annually from Nike right now, than he would be if he were signed somewhere as a backup. Sign me up! I'd love to make the sacrifice to make millions more money for NOT working... it's a tough one, but a sacrifice im willing to make

Again, you are right, there is no denying that Kap is better than some backup tier QB's... HOWEVER HE WONT TAKE A PAY CUT. This is why his case is stupid. If he said "hey, ill take vet minimum, or slightly above, for one year to prove my worth in this league" I bet he would be signed real fast. He was exposed his last year as a starter, hence WHY HE WAS BENCHED FOR BLAINE EFFING GABBERT BEFORE he ever protested. He protested for the first time after being silent on activism and politics his entire career, the game after he was announced that Gabbert was the starter.

 

All fair points, my only counter point is do we know he won't take a pay cut?  I have not heard that, doesn't mean it isnt true, just asking because I haven't heard or seen anything that said he wouldn't play on a 1 year prove it deal cheaply.  I also don't really follow his situation in terms of whether he is signed or not signed closely because he isnt going to be a Bill.

 

But, the guy deserves to work IMO, not saying he is gonna be a Pro Bowler, but the guy is better than many QB's on NFL rosters right now.  The fact he is black balled for executing his American rights PEACEFULLY while guys like Vick and Stallworth who killed dogs and a person were immediately let back in is beyond disgusting.  Not to mention people who beat women and children too have all been allowed to keep playing.  

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

Only thing I have seen him say is "I will stand for the anthem if I was signed." So if you can provide some info of him willing to sign for the going rate for a veteran back up that would be great.

Why would you want a backup QB with the constant media attention/circus, especially if your QB has one bad game.

I'm pretty sure Kaep or his agent said something to that effect.  Are you aware of any team that has said they would sign him if he agreed to accept veteran backup money?

 

As to your last question, do you have any doubt that Kaepernick, even after not playing for the past year and a half, is miles better than Nathan Peterman?  

[PolishPrince]

6 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

All fair points, my only counter point is do we know he won't take a pay cut?  I have not heard that, doesn't mean it isnt true, just asking because I haven't heard or seen anything that said he wouldn't play on a 1 year prove it deal cheaply.  I also don't really follow his situation in terms of whether he is signed or not signed closely because he isnt going to be a Bill.

 

But, the guy deserves to work IMO, not saying he is gonna be a Pro Bowler, but the guy is better than many QB's on NFL rosters right now.  The fact he is black balled for executing his American rights PEACEFULLY while guys like Vick and Stallworth who killed dogs and a person were immediately let back in is beyond disgusting.  Not to mention people who beat women and children too have all been allowed to keep playing.  

You also have no evidence he is actually being blackballed. Seahawks and Baltimore brought him in for a look. You have 0 evidence of him being blackballed, just like I have not heard that he is willing to take a pay cut. Is he better than Peterman? Yep. However if Kapernick is still wanting his 5mil a year, thats too expensive for a backup QB. Thats like people assuming Dez Bryant is being blackballed. "He deserves to work!" Unless you are trying to argue Dez Bryant is not better than Holmes, or Kerley, or Foster, or (insert any Bills WR here)

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

I'm pretty sure Kaep or his agent said something to that effect.  Are you aware of any team that has said they would sign him if he agreed to accept veteran backup money?

 

As to your last question, do you have any doubt that Kaepernick, even after not playing for the past year and a half, is miles better than Nathan Peterman?  

I agree he is better than Peterman.................................................. However here is Peterman's salary cap charge: 

• 2018 Salary Cap Charge: $614,877
  
  Also I would rather have Allen learn and grow than watch Kaepernik run around being a slightly more gunslinger version of Tyrod
  
  
  I would also argue that Fitzpatrick is the most "competent" veteran backup QB out there, and his deal for this year is only 2million. 

Edited September 10, 2018 by PolishPrince

[Returntoglory]

He will be a Media nightmare for any team that signs him. No thank you. 

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, PolishPrince said:

You also have no evidence he is actually being blackballed. Seahawks and Baltimore brought him in for a look. You have 0 evidence of him being blackballed, just like I have not heard that he is willing to take a pay cut. Is he better than Peterman? Yep. However if Kapernick is still wanting his 5mil a year, thats too expensive for a backup QB. Thats like people assuming Dez Bryant is being blackballed. "He deserves to work!" Unless you are trying to argue Dez Bryant is not better than Holmes, or Kerley, or Foster, or (insert any Bills WR here)

I agree he is better than Peterman.................................................. However here is Peterman's salary cap charge: 

• 2018 Salary Cap Charge: $614,877
  
   

 

I think its pretty foolish to say he isnt being black balled.  One, he already won a case stating as much.  Two, he is undeniably better than most teams backup QB's and some teams starters, with our own team as clear evidence of that.  

 

I am not saying he is being black balled because of every teams view on the kneeling, but many anonymous team officials have openly spoken about how they would never sign him because of that.  So 100% he is being blackballed by some teams.  I think other teams are faced with weighing the choice between him and someone else that doesn't bring the media circus.  For example, Baltimore already had a first round rookie and then also brought in RG3.  Is RG3 better or Kap?  Good question, one could make an argument either way and not really be wrong.  But RG3 comes without the media circus, so easy choice IMO.  So while Ravens aren't "blackballing" him, it doesn't mean the media nonsense isnt affecting his ability to get signed.

 

Dez claims he had offers, but wants to go to a winning situation.  So if thats true, then not comparable because he turned down offers, so not sure why you brought that up.

[PolishPrince]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

All fair points, my only counter point is do we know he won't take a pay cut?  I have not heard that, doesn't mean it isnt true, just asking because I haven't heard or seen anything that said he wouldn't play on a 1 year prove it deal cheaply.  I also don't really follow his situation in terms of whether he is signed or not signed closely because he isnt going to be a Bill.

 

But, the guy deserves to work IMO, not saying he is gonna be a Pro Bowler, but the guy is better than many QB's on NFL rosters right now.  The fact he is black balled for executing his American rights PEACEFULLY while guys like Vick and Stallworth who killed dogs and a person were immediately let back in is beyond disgusting.  Not to mention people who beat women and children too have all been allowed to keep playing.  

Micheal Bennett still has a job despite kneeling for anthem and being very outspoken about social issues. Also got in trouble for lying about police brutality but was caught on tape... Yet again he still has a job for two reasons: 1) teams feel his play is still worth his value for asking contract. and 2) The media doesnt choke on his D for every other word he speaks. I dont understand why people cant fathom how much of a distraction Kaepernik would bring to a team

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think its pretty foolish to say he isnt being black balled.  One, he already won a case stating as much.  Two, he is undeniably better than most teams backup QB's and some teams starters, with our own team as clear evidence of that.  

 

I am not saying he is being black balled because of every teams view on the kneeling, but many anonymous team officials have openly spoken about how they would never sign him because of that.  So 100% he is being blackballed by some teams.  I think other teams are faced with weighing the choice between him and someone else that doesn't bring the media circus.  For example, Baltimore already had a first round rookie and then also brought in RG3.  Is RG3 better or Kap?  Good question, one could make an argument either way and not really be wrong.  But RG3 comes without the media circus, so easy choice IMO.  So while Ravens aren't "blackballing" him, it doesn't mean the media nonsense isnt affecting his ability to get signed.

 

Dez claims he had offers, but wants to go to a winning situation.  So if thats true, then not comparable because he turned down offers, so not sure why you brought that up.

This is my point..,  IF there is a true blackball, its not because of his kneeling (see other teams have players also doing it) it s because of the media circus.

and NO HE HAS NOT WON HIS CASE. Media jumped on this... the only thing he "won" was there was a motion to throw his case out, they "won" that the case will not be thrown out.

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

You also have no evidence he is actually being blackballed. Seahawks and Baltimore brought him in for a look. You have 0 evidence of him being blackballed, just like I have not heard that he is willing to take a pay cut. Is he better than Peterman? Yep. However if Kapernick is still wanting his 5mil a year, thats too expensive for a backup QB. Thats like people assuming Dez Bryant is being blackballed. "He deserves to work!" Unless you are trying to argue Dez Bryant is not better than Holmes, or Kerley, or Foster, or (insert any Bills WR here)

I agree he is better than Peterman.................................................. However here is Peterman's salary cap charge: 

• 2018 Salary Cap Charge: $614,877
  
  Also I would rather have Allen learn and grow than watch Kaepernik run around being a slightly more gunslinger version of Tyrod
  
  
  I would also argue that Fitzpatrick is the most "competent" veteran backup QB out there, and his deal for this year is only 2million. 

Peterman's salary is irrelevant...McDermott can't allow him back on the field, at any price.  Fitzpatrick's contract is also irrelevant because he's not available right now.  I have no idea what Kaepernick would accept...the only way to find out would be to talk to his agent.

[DC Tom]

3 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think its pretty foolish to say he isnt being black balled.  One, he already won a case stating as much.

 

No, he won the right to have his case heard.  That's it.

[PolishPrince]

7 minutes ago, mannc said:

Peterman's salary is irrelevant...McDermott can't allow him back on the field, at any price.  Fitzpatrick's contract is also irrelevant because he's not available right now.  I have no idea what Kaepernick would accept...the only way to find out would be to talk to his agent.

??????????

its 100% relevant because it shows the going rate for a second year backup and a proven vet back up.............................. I never said "lets go sign Fitz hrur durr."

So I ask you, is Dez being blackballed? He is a better player than many WR's... probably even better than WR's on certain contending teams - yet he is available.

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

No, he won the right to have his case heard.  That's it.

 

6 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

Micheal Bennett still has a job despite kneeling for anthem and being very outspoken about social issues. Also got in trouble for lying about police brutality but was caught on tape... Yet again he still has a job for two reasons: 1) teams feel his play is still worth his value for asking contract. and 2) The media doesnt choke on his D for every other word he speaks. I dont understand why people cant fathom how much of a distraction Kaepernik would bring to a team

This is my point..,  IF there is a true blackball, its not because of his kneeling (see other teams have players also doing it) it s because of the media circus.

and NO HE HAS NOT WON HIS CASE. Media jumped on this... the only thing he "won" was there was a motion to throw his case out, they "won" that the case will not be thrown out.

 

Copy DC Tom, I haven't followed it closely, just had saw the headlines a week ago.  I honestly dont really care about the situation, and mentioned I haven't really followed the whole ordeal. 

 

But PolishPrince, there are a number of anonymous team officials that have literally said they won't sign Kap because he disgusts them with starting the kneeling stuff.  So again, its 100% certain he is being blackballed over his actions by some teams, thats indisputable.  

 

Its disgusting that dog killers, people killers, women beaters, and children beaters have been met with less media backlash, less public backlash, less mistreatment by the NFL and teams when all Kap did was STANDUP for people who ARE UNDENIABLY being mistreated here in this country still to this day.  Its 100% factual that there is a major social imbalance in our judicial system with minorities.  I know people who were long time cops here in Southern California  who will tell you to your face they had "quotas" with minorities and that people went away because of the color of their skin while Caucasians would get slaps on the wrist for same or worse crimes.  

 

So I am sorry, there is nothing you can say to me that will validate that he has NOT been given another chance while lesser players are still on rosters.  He deserves to be in the NFL a million times more than Vick, Stallworth, Bennett, etc ever did who got to keep their careers.  And I dont even like him as a QB, everything I am saying is not an endorsement of him as a player, its stating that its wrong that he doesn't have a job in correlation to what he did to take a stand.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I think its pretty foolish to say he isnt being black balled.  One, he already won a case stating as much.  Two, he is undeniably better than most teams backup QB's and some teams starters, with our own team as clear evidence of that.  

 

I am not saying he is being black balled because of every teams view on the kneeling, but many anonymous team officials have openly spoken about how they would never sign him because of that.  So 100% he is being blackballed by some teams.  I think other teams are faced with weighing the choice between him and someone else that doesn't bring the media circus.  For example, Baltimore already had a first round rookie and then also brought in RG3.  Is RG3 better or Kap?  Good question, one could make an argument either way and not really be wrong.  But RG3 comes without the media circus, so easy choice IMO.  So while Ravens aren't "blackballing" him, it doesn't mean the media nonsense isnt affecting his ability to get signed.

 

Dez claims he had offers, but wants to go to a winning situation.  So if thats true, then not comparable because he turned down offers, so not sure why you brought that up.

A team not wanting to sign a guy because he's a PR nightmare, and by some accounts moderately talented, equates to "blackballing"? 

 

To me, it simply equates to a moderately talented guy who isn't worth the trouble, whining about how there is a 32 team league -wide conspiracy to keep him from the destiny he and he alone so richly deserves. 

 

The cool part is how as a society, we're reached a point where people can be outraged that someone is not offered a job because he "deserves" it after walking away for $14m. 

 

Progress. 

 

 

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, PolishPrince said:

??????????

its 100% relevant because it shows the going rate for a second year backup and a proven vet back up.............................. I never said "lets go sign Fitz hrur durr."

So I ask you, is Dez being blackballed? He is a better player than many WR's... probably even better than WR's on certain contending teams - yet he is available.

Fair enough.  I’m surprised Fitz agreed to a play another season for that amount of $.  (BTW, according to sportrac, he’s getting $3.3 million.)

 

i don’t know why Dez hasn’t been signed.  Teams might just think he’s not that good any more.  And maybe he’s demanding too much $.

Edited September 10, 2018 by mannc

[PolishPrince]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

 

Copy DC Tom, I haven't followed it closely, just had saw the headlines a week ago.  I honestly dont really care about the situation, and mentioned I haven't really followed the whole ordeal. 

 

But PolishPrince, there are a number of anonymous team officials that have literally said they won't sign Kap because he disgusts them with starting the kneeling stuff.  So again, its 100% certain he is being blackballed over his actions by some teams, thats indisputable.  

 

Its disgusting that dog killers, people killers, women beaters, and children beaters have been met with less media backlash, less public backlash, less mistreatment by the NFL and teams when all Kap did was STANDUP for people who ARE UNDENIABLY being mistreated here in this country still to this day.  Its 100% factual that there is a major social imbalance in our judicial system with minorities.  I know people who were long time cops here in Southern California  who will tell you to your face they had "quotas" with minorities and that people went away because of the color of their skin while Caucasians would get slaps on the wrist for same or worse crimes.  

 

So I am sorry, there is nothing you can say to me that will validate that he has NOT been given another chance while lesser players are still on rosters.  He deserves to be in the NFL a million times more than Vick, Stallworth, Bennett, etc ever did who got to keep their careers.  And I dont even like him as a QB, everything I am saying is not an endorsement of him as a player, its stating that its wrong that he doesn't have a job in correlation to what he did to take a stand.

Wrong, i'll take Vick over Kaepernick as a better QB lol. 

here is ESPN's graphic of Kaepernick when (I repeat) lost his starting job to Blaine Gabbert BEFORE HE EVER PROTESTED.: 

Of course the above was before ESPN hopped on the SJW hype train. Here is a link showing how the Ram's defense called Kaep out to throw it knowing they were going to run and he is too stupid to change the play:

The guy was exposed after getting his 130 million dollar contract extension. Teams figured out he was a one read QB or a read-option QB


Maybe we should bring Gabbert in, he outplayed Kaep in the stats people bring up to suggest why Kaep was good:

3 minutes ago, mannc said:

Fair enough.  I’m surprised Fitz agreed to a play another season for that amount of $.  (BTW, according to sportrac, he’s getting $3.3 million.)

 

i don’t know why Dez hasn’t been signed.  Teams might just think he’s not that good any more.  And maybe he’s demanding too much $.

"'Teams might just think he’s not that good any more.  And maybe he’s demanding too much $." exactly why Kap is not a starter or a backup in the league especially with the media circus.

As far as Fitz it looks like 2million is his base salary, the other 1.3million was his bonus for them keeping him on the roster. Keep in mind Tampa was a team knowing they needed a good back up with Winston have off the field issues, a team who might be expecting their QB to miss some games a backup is worth more to them than say: Aaron Rogers or Tom Brady backup