Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, CLTbills said: Not after watching preseason and watching him pick apart the Carolina defense like he was shooting fish in a barrel... no. Look, I’m a mod, I’m on here a lot, I read this board a lot. And that’s just wrong, even for just this board. Some of the folks who felt that way shut up, because “Go Bills!”, not wanting to beat a dead horse, hoping for the best, etc etc etc but even then, there were folks who agreed between AJ, Allen and Peterman the latter won the competition but still warning “preseason is preseason, doesn’t always transfer to regular season” and that winning over AJ and a raw rookie was a low bar to clear. I will admit to hoping that Daboll had a plan that would utilize Peterman and the run game and OL effectively, and to being proven woefully wrong on that point personally. 1
CLTbills Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Look, I’m a mod, I’m on here a lot, I read this board a lot. And that’s just wrong, even for just this board. Some of the folks who felt that way shut up, because “Go Bills!”, not wanting to beat a dead horse, hoping for the best, etc etc etc but even then, there were folks who agreed between AJ, Allen and Peterman the latter won the competition but still warning “preseason is preseason, doesn’t always transfer to regular season” and that winning over AJ and a raw rookie was a low bar to clear. I will admit to hoping that Daboll had a plan that would utilize Peterman and the run game and OL effectively, and to being proven woefully wrong on that point personally. Again, I agree and I think you're missing the point. Yes, I understand that the preseason doesn't transfer to the regular season. That is painfully obvious. But if you have two guys that are essentially in a competition, and one very obviously and blatantly outperforms the other, are you supposed to start the guy that lost the competition, simply because "preseason doesn't transfer to the regular season"? Is that the coaching decision you'd have made, start the guy who played worse because you have a crystal ball? Edited September 11, 2018 by CLTbills
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Jobot said: If getting benched ruins someones career because of psychological stress... then they were never going to mount to much anyways in the NFL. Absolutely. If you can’t handle getting benched then you can’t handle starting. Most of the winners in the league refer to the setbacks and adversities they encountered as what made them who they are. QBs need to be the most mentally tough guys on the field. All of these ‘could’ve beens’ broken by adversity were really just ‘never gonna be’s’
HappyDays Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, donbb said: The Jets will have more. The Jets also seem to be able to identify talent in the trenches which the Bills do not. Their GM and head coach just entered their 4th season together. Amazing what a little continuity can do. There are folks here ready to fire McDermott and Beane after the first game of their 2nd season.
Southtown Tommy Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 36 minutes ago, CLTbills said: I agree... however I think anyone that watched the preseason would agree that Peterman won the job and looked the best out of the 3 QB's we had. Everything that he had showed us, showed us that he was a halfway competent NFL QB. Now, why that's not transferring to the Regular Season? I have no clue. Something loose upstairs? All I'm saying is, hindsight is always 20/20. Not a single person saw this happening after how good Peterman performed in the preseason. Disclaimer : I am NOT A PETERMAN FAN! I'm just trying to look at it objectively. The problem is that the coach and gm should have been smart enough to know that 80% completion rate from Peterman was not going to be the norm and they should not have based the decision on starting QB on that stat!
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Their GM and head coach just entered their 4th season together. Amazing what a little continuity can do. There are folks here ready to fire McDermott and Beane after the first game of their 2nd season. It's so dumb. 1
CLTbills Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, Southtown Tommy said: The problem is that the coach and gm should have been smart enough to know that 80% completion rate from Peterman was not going to be the norm and they should not have based the decision on starting QB on that stat! Again, I think they did understand that he wasn't going to have an 80% completion rate. But as I've already posted.... If one guy very obviously outperforms the other in an "open competition", what are you supposed to do.... start the guy who LOST that competition? I'm just saying. Hindsight is always 20/20, look at it through an objective lens, not an emotional one after we got our a$$es spanked.
Dablitzkrieg Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 I have convinced myself that Allen will be starting Sunday 1
Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 Gamesmanship. But if the Chargers have to spend time preparing for the possibility of Peterman, they won't have to spend much.
mjt328 Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 The next 4-5 months will be much less stressful, if Bills fans can just understand and accept that 2018 is a rebuilding year. Josh Allen will be named the starter eventually. And guess what? Our offense is still going to struggle, and look very bad for much of the year. All the people screaming for the coaching staff to throw in Allen, will probably give him about 5 quarters of football before declaring him a bust.
HappyDays Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: It's so dumb. I'm old enough to remember our fans chasing Marrone out of town after his 2nd sesson and laughing all the way. Apparently anyone could have taken a team led by EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton to 9-7. And did you know he had nothing to do with the defense? Sure his next team has arguably the best defense in the league and he took them to the AFC Championship with Blake Bortles as his QB, and the next guy that took over here ruined the defense, but the fans know best. Edited September 11, 2018 by HappyDays
vorpma Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Who's Peterson? Another well informed poster!
mannc Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 The fact that it is Tuesday morning and Peterman has not been released yet is a very bad sign. It shows McBeane’s delusional thinking and inability to evaluate the most important position in sports.
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 1 minute ago, HappyDays said: I'm old enough to remember our fans chasing Marrone out of town after his 2nd sesson and laughing all the way. Apparently anyone could have taken a team led by EJ Manuel and Kyle Orton to 9-7. And did you know he had nothing to do with the defense? Sure his next team has arguably the best defense in the league and he took them to the AFC Championship with Blake Bortles as his QB, and the next guy that took over here ruined the defense, but the fans know best. Marrone quit, he was, and still is, a flaming idiot. You can keep him. He did hire Schartz so +1. He stumbled upon that D roster down there. Just now, mannc said: The fact that it is Tuesday morning and Peterman has not been released yet is a very bad sign. It shows McBeane’s delusional thinking and inability to evaluate the most important position in sports. Shirley you can't think release is the correct action.
ProcessAccepted Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Who's Peterson? I wish we had Peterson. 2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said: Marrone quit, he was, and still is, a flaming idiot. You can keep him. He did hire Schartz so +1. He stumbled upon that D roster down there. Shirley you can't think release is the correct action. That's right the defense sucked when he was here ? I hate Marrone just as much as the next Bills fan but when you've been a head coach two times and you have a top tier defense two times there just may be a legit argument to be made that defenses on his teams are very good. Let's be honest...
26TrapDraw Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 2 hours ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: Who's Peterson? Boomer Esiason went with Peterson....good enough for me.
gridrick Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 10 minutes ago, CLTbills said: Again, I think they did understand that he wasn't going to have an 80% completion rate. But as I've already posted.... If one guy very obviously outperforms the other in an "open competition", what are you supposed to do.... start the guy who LOST that competition? I'm just saying. Hindsight is always 20/20, look at it through an objective lens, not an emotional one after we got our a$$es spanked. past performance is the crystal ball. Was he grossly out performed? Aj won the emotional comeback. He finished that game off. Didnt they go out and sign him because they thought they needed him? So they get a guy who's won an NCAA championship. He can handle the pressure. He's played admirably in a playoff game. He doesnt turn it over. Infantile or not these guys are showing they are reaching. If they believed in Peterman then why not give him a home game after the Chargers game. They were wrong by such a margin that everyone can see it.
4merper4mer Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 7 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said: I wish we had Peterson. That's right the defense sucked when he was here ? I hate Marrone just as much as the next Bills fan but when you've been a head coach two times and you have a top tier defense two times there just may be a legit argument to be made that defenses on his teams are very good. Let's be honest... Really? He was sold here, by himself and others, as an offensive guru. Bortles, Manuel et al notwithstanding, his offense is a hot mess almost every week he doesn't play Pittsburgh. The D in Jax speaks for itself and was trending before he arrived. He wisely hired Schwartz here and let him be. That was a good move.
oldmanfan Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 I thought AJ would be the guy for a while until Allen took over. But Peterman beat him out. Should the coaches have ignored that? It's like the folks ragging on Ragland. When he was in camp last year he could not get off the third string. Should that have been ignored? No. So they traded him to a team where he's a better fit. That happens all the time in this league. Now Peterman had a terrible outing, and Allen showed at les a bit that he can handle things. I don't think they should ignore that either come Sunday.
26TrapDraw Posted September 11, 2018 Posted September 11, 2018 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: I would be stunned if Allen isn't named the starter. I understand why they went with Peterman based on his off season and preseason, but it seems clear Allen has way more upside. its disrespectful to this terrific QB to mispronouce his name. Nathan Peterson's all 22 shows how well he sees wide open receivers down the seam. He must have learned that recognition from Tyrod. Thing of beauty.
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