This team looks scary bad

[GunnerBill]

Believe me McDermott and Beane will be mightily concerned by what they saw yesterday. I think they expected a step back this season. I think they expected the team to lose more games and I think they absolutely knew that there were some big gaps on the roster. I don't think they expected to the THAT bad and their FA class that was supposed to at least represent some short term help - Davis, Ivory and Murphy particularly, Lotulelei I think was supposed to be part of the longer term solution - ended up not dressed, 3rd string back and an obviously injured pass rusher who couldn't push off.

 

When you look at this team at the moment and ask how many of these guys would start for more than 1 or 2 other equally bad teams the list you are left with is: McCoy, Dawkins, White, Edmunds, Poyer, Hyde and then maybe and I mean maybe Hughes and Milano. That is just not enough. 8 out of 22 starters who look up to being genuine NFL starters. That is too many holes and the sticking plasters yesterday just did not work. 

[Sweats]

Looks to me like the Tide would give this Bills team a run for their money

 

Just let that sink in while I wipe the tears from my eyes.

[GunnerBill]

8 minutes ago, Sweats said:

Looks to me like the Tide would give this Bills team a run for their money

 

Just let that sink in while I wipe the tears from my eyes.

 

Any of those top college programmes - Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State, Oklahoma..... they'd all give this Bills team a run for their money. Many of them have more talent on their roster than we do presently.

[SoTier]

5 hours ago, arcane said:

I didn't watch most of that game, but Tyrod lost 47-10 to the Saints last year at home and threw for 56 yards

 

The problem wasn't moving on from tyrod, it was doing so in a summer where so many QBs changed hands but winding up using Peterman

 

The problem is McDermott and Beane being incompetent to have control of personnel matters.  I have no problem with McDermott as coach, but to give a first time NFL HC control over player personnel is stupid (ask Philly about Chip Kelly), and then hiring a first time GM without a background in pro personnel evaluation and/or management to work with said HC is a prescription for the disaster we saw yesterday .. . and likely to see next week and the week after since the Chargers are similar in ability to Baltimore, and the Vikings are a serious Super Bowl contender with a nasty D.

 

5 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Season ain't over yet, McD will make adjustments

 

 

 

He can't conjure a better OL, a sure-handed WR corps, and a competent QB out of thin air.   I didn't say "better than Peterman" because that's easy although that wouldn't mean he could play even minimally well, say on a level with Trent Edwards.

 

3 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

And the fact that basically 3 Head Coaches fell out with him. That eventually has to come down to him in some regard. But generally you and I are on the same page on Whaley. I look at that 2015 roster.... and then I look at this. No comparison.

 

Beane better hope Allen and Edmunds are stars and then that he uses his capital next year more effectively. Because as much as Terry likes this regime he won't stand for many more embarrassments like last night. 

 

Whaley's problems with HCs is why he's no longer the Bills GM more than anything IMO.  That's on the Bills ownership, however, for the way they organized the team's power structure.    Two about equal power centers in the same organization (in the Bills' case, that would be GM and HC) is a prescription for conflict. 

 

I'm skeptical that the Bills are going to be able to avoid several more embarrassments no matter how good Allen and Edmunds may play this season.

Edited September 10, 2018 by SoTier

[Gordio]

10 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Whaley was a pretty good GM IMO. He has had some offers. FWIW, he can go back to the Steelers at any point. They think very highly of him. He added talent. Whaley’s mistake was that he didn’t cross all of his “t’s” and dot all of his “I’s.” His biggest mistake as a GM was not having an out in the Dareus contract. There had to be some recourse if he was suspended (again). 

 

 

There are two reasons Whaley is not the GM anymore.  Thru no fault of his own he got his legs cut out from under him over the RR hire.  I have a couple of people inside the organization that have told that Whaley was dead set against hiring RR but was blindsided by Pegs & Rusty.  Rusty wanted the hire because he knew it would sell tickets & Pegs is just clueless when it comes to running a sports franchise.  What dysfunctional organization goes against the wishes of the GM when hiring a coach?  I could name only one team & that is the Bills.  Whaley built a strong defense that simply did not fit in RR schemes.  This was no fault of Whaley.

 

The second reason he is not here is he failed to land a true franchise QB.  This is his fault.  

 

But looking back, he was not a bad GM & he is light years ahead of team mcdipshit in identifying talent.  I am sorry but most of their personal moves these past two years have made absolutely no sense, but team Mcdipshit thinks they are smarter than everybody else.  It is not only that they jettisoned talent off this team that was not necessary, but everybody they shot out of here was young.  You just don't do that in the NFL.  Why because they questioned the process?  This team mya go down as one of the worst teams in NFL history & no I am not exaggerating.  

[Teddy KGB]

11 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Right and if he doesn't flash that ability Beane has a chance to save his arse by cutting his losses and drafting another QB high in the draft

 

Not happening.     You should distance yourself from nonsensical takes 

6 hours ago, moshermw said:

My points today are 25 % EFF TT haters and 75 % can we finally admit we need elite offensive coaching and real WR.

 

The 75% is so obvious it hurts. TT was very good, worked his arse off and covered it up by his play.

 

Today there can be no doubt that just the QB can't do it all - TT did enough - with a very good D - to get the Bills to the playoffs - Josh nor Peterman can do that.

 

Use the resources coming our way to get:

- a real OC (Roman, Lynne, our college guy now ain't it)

- Real WRs

- real OL

 

Can no longer blame it on TT.

 

Bills lose by 30 with TT yesterday 

 

He was garbage again yesterday.   Couldn’t win a game with 6 turnovers handed to him 

 

 

Edited September 10, 2018 by Teddy KGB

[Hapless Bills Fan]

12 hours ago, Niagara Dude said:

It was not the score (worst loss since 2007) that concerned me today but more how bad and thin of talent this BILLS team has become.  Not sure what Beane was smoking when he decided to sink big money into Murphy who looks like damaged good and DT Star who did nothing today.  Our OL is complete mess and we most likely have worst collection of WR'S in the NFL with our #1 Benjamin being useless, end of the day the roster is a freaking joke.

 

Is it entirely talent?  Sounds like Flacco feels the Ravens were just able to take advantage of the Bills defensive scheme.

 

"

2. Play-action success. Flacco hit rookie tight end Mark Andrews on an 11-yard pass for a first down two plays later. Later in the quarter, Flacco found Andrews for 12 yards on a play-action pass, and in the second quarter he found Willie Snead on a 15-yard play-action pass.

“The one thing you notice is that the style of their defense,” said Flacco, “those linebackers are just so free to attack the line of scrimmage, at least for two steps forward before they actually do get back in the pass coverage. So we really felt like we could get them sucked up and hit them in that intermediate, 10 to 15 yard range over the top of their head.”

[Royale with Cheese]

3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Is it entirely talent?  Sounds like Flacco feels the Ravens were just able to take advantage of the Bills defensive scheme.

 

"

2. Play-action success. Flacco hit rookie tight end Mark Andrews on an 11-yard pass for a first down two plays later. Later in the quarter, Flacco found Andrews for 12 yards on a play-action pass, and in the second quarter he found Willie Snead on a 15-yard play-action pass.

“The one thing you notice is that the style of their defense,” said Flacco, “those linebackers are just so free to attack the line of scrimmage, at least for two steps forward before they actually do get back in the pass coverage. So we really felt like we could get them sucked up and hit them in that intermediate, 10 to 15 yard range over the top of their head.”

 

So that's why their TE's were running free over the middle.  Suck in the LB's, throw over the top of them.  

You were check mated McDermott yesterday....what's your next move?

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, Royale with Cheese said:

So that's why their TE's were running free over the middle.  Suck in the LB's, throw over the top of them.  

You were check mated McDermott yesterday....what's your next move?

 

Yep, pretty much, likely exacerbated by the fact of probably sloppy footing.

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Yep, pretty much, likely exacerbated by the fact of probably sloppy footing.

 

If there is a positive, Edmunds was very good in the run.  Milano too.  Shooting gaps, getting in the backfield.

 

[row_33]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Any of those top college programmes - Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Ohio State, Oklahoma..... they'd all give this Bills team a run for their money. Many of them have more talent on their roster than we do presently.

 

Not a hope that the greatest college team would play well against the worst NFL team 

 

even if it seems that way

[jahnyc]

The real question is whether the players can get better as the season progresses, and I don't see it happening. It would be great if Allen shows his talent and improves as the season progresses, but I don't think the o-line will suddenly improve since they are all veterans and many of them were not re-signed by their prior teams (Vlad, Bodine, Newhouse).  Miller and Groy are young veterans and they seem to have gotten worse.  At other positions, we do not have young, talented players waiting in the wings that just need playing time.  For example, at starting CB opposite White, we have Davis or Gaines, neither of whom should be starting with almost no depth behind them and certainly no up and coming young players.  What obviously young, talented players do we have at WR, outside LB or DE?  

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

Last season is just that....Last season.  All you need do is listen to the words of our very own HC and GM to understand they are remaking the roster with the need for many more quality players before the team contends for the playoffs and championships on a perennial basis. 

 

Remaking the roster is one thing.  Taking a roster that can play NFL football competently (win half the time) and turning it into a roster that is historically bad, is something else.

 

I ack the point that one game does not equal history and that right now, our W-L record is the same as 12 other teams, but in all other regards our record is abysmal.

First downs, third down conversion %, third down conversions allowed, takeaway/giveaway, sacks - we're not just bad, we're something like 3x away from the best and 2x away from improving to mediocre.

 

At this point, McDermott and Beane have totally remade the roster in their image.  Yes, yes, they haven't had enough draft picks, but they've traded, and signed FAs.

There's no point in making trades and signing FAs if the guys you're bringing in are all significantly less talented than the guys you let walk in FA or trade off.

 

 

 

29 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

If there is a positive, Edmunds was very good in the run.  Milano too.  Shooting gaps, getting in the backfield.

 

It sounds as though that may be a negative positive - ie, something the Ravens exploited to pass for 260 yds successfully.

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

t sounds as though that may be a negative positive - ie, something the Ravens exploited to pass for 260 yds successfully.

 

I agree.  The over aggressiveness with our LB's crashing the line led to some easy play action passes.

As I now am recalling more of the game (mostly a blur yesterday that I want to forget), is when the LB's would drop deep in coverage.  Flacco would just throw underneath.

If it was 3rd and 7, that guy 5-6 yards in the soft zone was open with another yard or two to fall forward.

The Ravens had a counter with everything we did.

[jrober38]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Believe me McDermott and Beane will be mightily concerned by what they saw yesterday. I think they expected a step back this season. I think they expected the team to lose more games and I think they absolutely knew that there were some big gaps on the roster. I don't think they expected to the THAT bad and their FA class that was supposed to at least represent some short term help - Davis, Ivory and Murphy particularly, Lotulelei I think was supposed to be part of the longer term solution - ended up not dressed, 3rd string back and an obviously injured pass rusher who couldn't push off.

 

When you look at this team at the moment and ask how many of these guys would start for more than 1 or 2 other equally bad teams the list you are left with is: McCoy, Dawkins, White, Edmunds, Poyer, Hyde and then maybe and I mean maybe Hughes and Milano. That is just not enough. 8 out of 22 starters who look up to being genuine NFL starters. That is too many holes and the sticking plasters yesterday just did not work. 

 

The current state of this roster is a major indictment of Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott. 

 

This roster is as bad as any team the Bills have fielded over the past 20 years. We have maybe a handful of guys under the age of 26 who we can build around, and most of the roster is composed of players who would struggle to find employment in the NFL anywhere outside of Buffalo. 

 

Our offensive line is laughably bad, we have the worst group of receivers in the league, next to nothing at tight end, an overpaid an often under performing defensive front and major issues at CB behind White. This team is very bad and a big reason why is because of how the current decision makers chose to gut the roster so that they could bring in their guys. 

 

Their guys clearly aren't good enough. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

41 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

The current state of this roster is a major indictment of Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott. 

(...) This team is very bad and a big reason why is because of how the current decision makers chose to gut the roster so that they could bring in their guys. 

Their guys clearly aren't good enough. 

 

That last is the part that is of concern to me.  I "get" dumping cap and underperforming players and bringing in fresh blood.  I "get" that you can be like, OK we have this OT who's got a chronic disease and is one toke away from a year off and this other OT with bad knees who was found naked in a field serenading sheep, they aren't all that great, we're gonna replace 'em.  But the replacement needs to be at least equally competent.

 

Ultimately, it's Beane and his team's ability to realistically evaluate "fresh blood" that will make or break us, and right now it's looking like the blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

[jrober38]

11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

That last is the part that is of concern to me.  I "get" dumping cap and underperforming players and bringing in fresh blood.  I "get" that you can be like, OK we have this OT who's got a chronic disease and is one toke away from a year off and this other OT with bad knees who was found naked in a field serenading sheep, they aren't all that great, we're gonna replace 'em.  But the replacement needs to be at least equally competent.

 

Ultimately, it's Beane and his team's ability to realistically evaluate "fresh blood" that will make or break us, and right now it's looking like the blood is in the water and the sharks are circling.

 

The big problem is that each guy we've shipped out by trade or not re signed has been replaced by an inferior player. 

 

We've actively got rid of a ton of guys for various reasons, and for the most part the guys who they've brought in have been severe downgrades. 

 

At this point I think you really need to start questioning this regime's ability to evaluate talent. Their draft picks haven't been very good yet, this year's free agent class looks horrendous and they've shown they don't really value draft picks by how aggressive they've been moving up in the draft to target specific guys at the expense of giving away draft capital. 

[Mark Vader]

5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Last season is just that....Last season.  All you need do is listen to the words of our very own HC and GM to understand they are remaking the roster with the need for many more quality players before the team contends for the playoffs and championships on a perennial basis. 

Right. I see what the GM & HC are doing.

 

I don't give a crap about what the "experts" say. Some of those "experts" are barely verbal.

[Spiderweb]

16 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Ladies and Gentlemen....The most negative person on the board = 26CornerBlitz

Unfortunately, our cupboard is pretty bare. Cap hell or not, McBean has pretty much jettisoned any Bill with talent or allowed them to walk via FA. We had three WR's with talent, now we have none. Easy to be negative right now, and justifiably so.

[Boatdrinks]

6 hours ago, Sweats said:

Looks to me like the Tide would give this Bills team a run for their money

 

Just let that sink in while I wipe the tears from my eyes.

I think the tide would win. Really.