aceman_16 Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, bklnpete said: Amazing how the mere mention of Jerry Sullivan triggers these types who couldn't dare read anything negative about their team. That, I believe, is the definition of "snowflake." /yawn cute try though
dubs Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said: How much joy was there really during the drought? The Bills losing was tiring. IMO they deserved a lot of bad criticism. How much praise did the Bills really deserve? There is a TON of room between vicious criticism and glorious praise. Most people get that, except Sully and you.
aceman_16 Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Nope, I think there’s an aversion because people want to read positive things about their favorite football team. They want to feel good about their favorite team. The problem is, there really weren’t many positives during the drought. Sully constantly called out the Bills for many very bad decisions that they made. He called them embarassing and yes it was embarrassing. Anyone in the Buffalo media who calls out the team is disliked among the Bills fan base. This includes Sully, Mike Schoop, and Mike Rodak. How many times to fans in this forum attack a writer who writes something negative about the team? It happens all the time. Yes Sully was very critical of the team and I think that many Bills fans internalized his comments. It used to piss me off to hear reporters loft softball questions to coaches or players. Or when a good question was aske, they’d give a BS answer and the reporter wouldn’t follow up. Sully did neither and for that I appreciate his style. I do agree that he came off as a curmudgeon or prickly. Maybe even as a jerk, but again, I recognized what his role was as a columnist and never held it against him Okay.... thanks for answering.
BuffaloRush Posted September 7, 2018 Author Posted September 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, bklnpete said: Amazing how the mere mention of Jerry Sullivan triggers these types who couldn't dare read anything negative about their team. That, I believe, is the definition of "snowflake." Thank you brother. It it my belief that this is exactly why there is such resentment toward jerry
billsfanmiami(oh) Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloRush said: Since when did Bills fans get so sensitive to criticism? It boggles my mind. I think must be Stockholm syndrome associated with 17 years of epic failure. If someone criticizes the team, they are an idiot. Grab the peanut butter and your dog and head to bed Jerry. 1
Sanners Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 I think the problem is that a lot of us remember Larry Felser, and respected his columns and his opinions. He was critical when needed, and positive when needed. It was balanced. After he left we got a 2nd rate replacement in Sullivan, and the News being comatose for 25 years, because they were rolling in cash, kept him way too long. The he guy is not good, period. Never has been. It has zero to do with criticism. 1
ChevyVanMiller Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 Somebody pin this thread, it is quickly on its way to epic TSW status. 1
BuffaloRush Posted September 7, 2018 Author Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, dubs said: There is a TON of room between vicious criticism and glorious praise. Most people get that, except Sully and you. I guess...maybe he should have praised the Bills for hiring Marv Levy as GM? Or maybe it was hiring Russ Brandon to be GM? Or the cost-effective and stellar hires of Dick Jauron or Chan Gailey?
Kelly the Dog Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, Watkins90 said: I have no problem with him leaving a job, but to bad mouth your current employer is just bush league. Why? Just as a general theory I mean. I'm not saying Sully should have. I think he was once a valuable columnist for them because he got people to read his articles and discuss them, liking or hating. I often said over the years that his editors must love him. The last few years, however, his detractors that only grew up with his negativity, and the fact that he seemed to get lazy, seemed to make it no longer worth it for the News. The guy who fired him that he is complaining about, as you may recall, was on here for months sticking up for Sully when he took the job. Endless people here badmouthed Sully and very few stuck up for him. After awhile, it seems to me that bossman realized the bad pub was not good pub.
White Linen Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: Nope, I think there’s an aversion because people want to read positive things about their favorite football team. They want to feel good about their favorite team. The problem is, there really weren’t many positives during the drought. Sully constantly called out the Bills for many very bad decisions that they made. He called them embarassing and yes it was embarrassing. Anyone in the Buffalo media who calls out the team is disliked among the Bills fan base. This includes Sully, Mike Schoop, and Mike Rodak. How many times to fans in this forum attack a writer who writes something negative about the team? It happens all the time. Yes Sully was very critical of the team and I think that many Bills fans internalized his comments. It used to piss me off to hear reporters loft softball questions to coaches or players. Or when a good question was aske, they’d give a BS answer and the reporter wouldn’t follow up. Sully did neither and for that I appreciate his style. I do agree that he came off as a curmudgeon or prickly. Maybe even as a jerk, but again, I recognized what his role was as a columnist and never held it against him - " they felt my voice was becoming bad for business." So do you think his employer didn't understand his role and were just fans of the Bills?
BuffaloRush Posted September 7, 2018 Author Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, Sanners said: I think the problem is that a lot of us remember Larry Felser, and respected his columns and his opinions. He was critical when needed, and positive when needed. It was balanced. After he left we got a 2nd rate replacement in Sullivan, and the News being comatose for 25 years, because they were rolling in cash, kept him way too long. The he guy is not good, period. Never has been. It has zero to do with criticism. Actually Sully speaks of Felser and Jim Kelley in glowing terms. The two were close and very good friends. He admired him a lot. To be honest I was kind of young when Felser was writing. Sadly, I only remember him as “that old guy reporter” on Empire Sports
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 8 minutes ago, bklnpete said: Amazing how the mere mention of Jerry Sullivan triggers these types who couldn't dare read anything negative about their team. That, I believe, is the definition of "snowflake." People who wouldn’t dare read anything negative about their team don’t last long on this board. New around here, aintcha.
Ayjent Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, Watkins90 said: I have no problem with him leaving a job, but to bad mouth your current employer is just bush league. Well journalist see their jobs and the organizations they work for as an important function in providing information to society. So bad mouthing an employer is a little different in the circumstance where a journalist thinks the organization isn’t fulfilling its duty as well as it should and letting the public know is part of that function. But..let’s be real sports writing and reporting is stretching all of the above a bit much. We’re not talking about Watergate Journalism and it’s a lot closer to entertainment weekly. 1
BuffaloRush Posted September 7, 2018 Author Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, White Linen said: - " they felt my voice was becoming bad for business." So do you think his employer didn't understand his role and were just fans of the Bills? I’m sure taken Sully’s column away did wonders to boost subscriptions for The Buffalo Blitz
Sanners Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: Actually Sully speaks of Felser and Jim Kelley in glowing terms. The two were close and very good friends. He admired him a lot. To be honest I was kind of young when Felser was writing. Sadly, I only remember him as “that old guy reporter” on Empire Sports It’s a shame he didn’t take that admiration and learn from him.
BuffaloRush Posted September 7, 2018 Author Posted September 7, 2018 3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Why? Just as a general theory I mean. I'm not saying Sully should have. I think he was once a valuable columnist for them because he got people to read his articles and discuss them, liking or hating. I often said over the years that his editors must love him. The last few years, however, his detractors that only grew up with his negativity, and the fact that he seemed to get lazy, seemed to make it no longer worth it for the News. The guy who fired him that he is complaining about, as you may recall, was on here for months sticking up for Sully when he took the job. Endless people here badmouthed Sully and very few stuck up for him. After awhile, it seems to me that bossman realized the bad pub was not good pub. It would be scary if a BN news executive was making personnel decisions based on comments from members of a message board. #justsaying
Kelly the Dog Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: Actually Sully speaks of Felser and Jim Kelley in glowing terms. The two were close and very good friends. He admired him a lot. To be honest I was kind of young when Felser was writing. Sadly, I only remember him as “that old guy reporter” on Empire Sports I was not a fan of Sully myself, but I do know for a fact that A LOT if not most all of the local writers really liked him as a guy, contemporary, mentor, drinking partner, friend, etc. I don't really know of one of them that didn't like him.
dubs Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 2 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: I guess...maybe he should have praised the Bills for hiring Marv Levy as GM? Or maybe it was hiring Russ Brandon to be GM? Or the cost-effective and stellar hires of Dick Jauron or Chan Gailey? Did you even read what I wrote? I said, everything doesn’t have to be criticism or praise. Then you come back with a comment about praise. ?♂️ Who cares about Sully anyway. There are hundreds of sources of media about the NFL and Bills. Same goes for Schoop. Both are pretty terrible in my opinion so I stopped reading/listening to them long ago.
Kelly the Dog Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, BuffaloRush said: It would be scary if a BN news executive was making personnel decisions based on comments from members of a message board. #justsaying Obviously, this place was just one of many places he heard the same thing. I spend a lot of (too much) time on Twitter and it was the exact same thing. 1
White Linen Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloRush said: I’m sure taken Sully’s column away did wonders to boost subscriptions for The Buffalo Blitz So now you know more than them too. I agree with previous posters that you seem like a nice guy but you're acting silly now. They did what was best for business and their research showed readers didn't want Sullivan to be a columnist anymore. You may not like that because you disagree but I think you should at least respect that fact.
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