Captain_Quint Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: Oh wonderful! Here's BADOL to tell us all how bright he is. And I just affirmed it. ? Quick, someone bring up Shady!
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, Coach Tuesday said: Thank you - was gonna say - right thread wrong player. There are still folks here who are fine with letting a HOF left tackle walk because he tried to leverage a few million dollars more out of a cheap owner. But that’s another issue, Bills fans’ resentment of well-paid athletes of a certain ilk.., oooooh i wonder which "ilk" the coach is talking about
Coach Tuesday Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Future HOF'er Jason Peters???? good one Dude your TAKES! Thousands of mis-posts, like thousands of weathervanes pointing in the exact wrong direction. 2 minutes ago, joesixpack said: oooooh i wonder which "ilk" the coach is talking about You know, because you’re one of those kinds of fans - just admit it. Edited September 7, 2018 by Coach Tuesday
Hapless Bills Fan Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Future HOF'er Jason Peters???? good one I STG NBC announcers tonight proclaimed this. Suggested first ballot.
Mr. WEO Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: Dude your TAKES! Thousands of mid-posts, like thousands of weathervanes pointing in the exact wrong direction. You know, because you’re one of those kinds of fans - just admit it. My takes aren't influenced by which way the wind blows, bruv... 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I STG NBC announcers tonight proclaimed this. Suggested first ballot. There you go...
BADOLBILZ Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I'd want to see what scheme we are running first. If we are going to stay more of a zone block scheme I'd defintely bring him back for a couple of years. If they are more of a man blocking team this year then that isn't Levitre's game. We do realize that the Bills ultimately let him go because Littman's directive was to allow Ralph to pocket $30M every year via payroll savings and stack inheritance tax cheese that he ultimately did not need when his franchise sold for hundred of millions more than anticipated.......right? It's hilarious how all the people who defended this organizations stupidity STILL defend it long after we've been freed from cash to the cap. 12 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Oh wonderful! Here's BADOL to tell us all how bright he is. You laughing tonight............but wait til you see that child support deduction on your check tomorrow B!? 1
GunnerBill Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: We do realize that the Bills ultimately let him go because Littman's directive was to allow Ralph to pocket $30M every year via payroll savings and stack inheritance tax cheese that he ultimately did not need when his franchise sold for hundred of millions more than anticipated.......right? It's hilarious how all the people who defended this organizations stupidity STILL defend it long after we've been freed from cash to the cap. I think there were legitimate football reasons to let Levitre go. Whether that is the reason he was actually allowed to leave - I don't know. I still think he got paid stupid money and all his success in the league has been in zone blocking schemes which wasn't what Marrone wanted to run. 1
Happy Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 36 minutes ago, Rico said: If Beane can dump all Whaley’s trash, he can bring back the players that Whaley didn’t want. C’mon Andy! Everything is Whaley's fault with you, isn't it? You never miss an opportunity to take a dig at him, like beating a dead horse. Like the coaching had zero input in the player decisions, whether it be Marrone or Rex. News flash - it's the GMs job to bring in the talent that the coach wants, or get rid of players that do not fit the coaches' scheme. What did Whaley do to you, boink your woman? This subject has been beaten to death; Whaley had his issues as a GM, but he was not as bad as you make him out to be. 1 1
BADOLBILZ Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think there were legitimate football reasons to let Levitre go. Whether that is the reason he was actually allowed to leave - I don't know. I still think he got paid stupid money and all his success in the league has been in zone blocking schemes which wasn't what Marrone wanted to run. You overpay in free agency. It's not like paying Star Lotulelei $10M per on spec when he's been playing like a traffic cone for the past couple years...........Levitre was overpaid by $1M-$2M per.......that's the earned free agency premium......and he was a VERY safe bet to not be a bust. I don't know if he'd even missed a snap and had played some C and LT.
GunnerBill Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 Just now, BADOLBILZ said: You overpay in free agency. It's not like paying Star Lotulelei $10M per on spec when he's been playing like a traffic cone for the past couple years...........Levitre was overpaid by $1M-$2M per.......that's the earned free agency premium......and he was a VERY safe bet to not be a bust. I don't know if he'd even missed a snap and had played some C and LT. I don't like what they paid Star anymore than I'd have liked overpaying Levitre to play in a scheme he was a questionable fit for.
Rico Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Everything is Whaley's fault with you, isn't it? You never miss an opportunity to take a dig at him, like beating a dead horse. Like the coaching had zero input in the player decisions, whether it be Marrone or Rex. News flash - it's the GMs job to bring in the talent that the coach wants, or get rid of players that do not fit the coaches' scheme. What did Whaley do to you, boink your woman? This subject has been beaten to death; Whaley had his issues as a GM, but he was not as bad as you make him out to be. No, it's really all Ralph's fault. Whaley was just one of his stooges, and an easy convenient target.
Happy Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: No, it's really all Ralph's fault. Whaley was just one of his stooges, and an easy convenient target. During Whaley's tenure, Ralph was largely disconnected from the Bills. Russ Brandon was the de facto owner.
BADOLBILZ Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I don't like what they paid Star anymore than I'd have liked overpaying Levitre to play in a scheme he was a questionable fit for. You know who was a worse fit than the durable and versatile Levitre? Eric Wood. He was nothing short of horrendous in the two years under Marrone. They doubled down on Wood at about the same time so if you think they were in touch with their own scheme fits I'm not so sure about that. 2
Gugny Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 If I recall correctly, one of the issues was the flaw in the franchise tag system that calls an offensive lineman an offensive lineman, and doesn't differentiate between guards and tackles. In order to tag Levitre, the Bills would have had to pay him premium OT money, when he was a "decent" OG. If I'm misremembering, please correct me.
Rico Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Gilmore said: During Whaley's tenure, Ralph was largely disconnected from the Bills. Russ Brandon was the de facto owner. Yeah, Russ was a stooge to Ralph for many years before before Whaley joined the team. Whaley was more of a stooge to Russ... but that's only 2 degrees of separation. Whaley couldn't help but be tainted by the stench of failure he was connected to. In retrospect, he should've never left the Steelers. Look at the bright side, I still ultimately blame Ralph.
Happy Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 minute ago, Rico said: Yeah, Russ was a stooge to Ralph for many years before before Whaley joined the team. Whaley was more of a stooge to Russ... but that's only 2 degrees of separation. Whaley couldn't help but be tainted by the stench of failure he was connected to. In retrospect, he should've never left the Steelers. Look at the bright side, I still ultimately blame Ralph. Between Ralph, Russ, and Marrone (then Rex) we had the Three Stooges, only not as funny. You can't blame Whaley for leaving the Steelers and taking the chance at being an NFL GM. There are only 32 of those positions, and they come available rarely. You have to take that chance, like a promotion you're not sure you can do at work. Stay where you are, be and do the same, or aspire for something better?
Gugny Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, Happy Gilmore said: Between Ralph, Russ, and Marrone (then Rex) we had the Three Stooges, only not as funny. You can't blame Whaley for leaving the Steelers and taking the chance at being an NFL GM. There are only 32 of those positions, and they come available rarely. You have to take that chance, like a promotion you're not sure you can do at work. Stay where you are, be and do the same, or aspire for something better? Whaley was a fine GM. Yes, he held onto EJ too long, but he also built an elite defense and hired an elite DC. Just like John Elway - who has also failed miserably at finding a QB (as many GMs do). Whaley's death blow was the Pegulas hiring Rex Ryan and nullifying everything Whaley did to build a solid D. On a team with better ownership (this guy went from Ralph Wilson's senility to Kim !@#$ing Pegula cherry picking a HC), Doug Whaley would have been an excellent GM. 2
atlbillsfan1975 Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: Letting him go was the wrong move by management. It was wrong at the time........because they had plenty of money and had invested a second round pick in him and he was good. If your early picks pan out and you let them walk without a solid replacement you don't understand how to build. At the time, that is what the Bills were. We all know this now......let's not defend the dumb things they did in the past. It turned into a disaster when the season started and Colin Brown had perhaps the single worst season by a Bills starting OL. He was literally altering the outcome of games and very possibly the single difference between missing the playoffs versus stealing a very up-for-grabs playoff spot. And in the long run it was wrong because he's been very good for a long time and is still going strong. And fwiw.........future HOF'er Jason Peters is playing tonight as well.......and there were clowns on here who FOR YEARS swore trading him was the right thing to do. Part of that argument was the Bills were getting younger with the drafting of Eric Wood........but as I said in response to that......Peters will be playing when Wood was out of the league. Can you predict good things that will happen to the Bills?
BADOLBILZ Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 24 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Can you predict good things that will happen to the Bills? I predicted they'd be competitive last year when most thought they were tanking. That would be a very recent example. But predicting the Bills will be good has been futile in the past 18 years........they've never really had a good team in that string.......though the 2004 team was actually 9-6 going to into the last game.
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