What I haven’t seen from Peterman

[Gray Beard]

I bet one of the first few plays will be a long pass. Probably to a well covered receiver along the sideline on third and short. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, No Place To Hyde said:

I've never seen him play a game from start to finish. 

 

I've never seen him win a game as the starting QB that didn't involve what an insurence agency would classify an "Act of God".

 

I've never seen him quit either. 

 

I've never seen him make excuses.

 

I've never seen him work harder than he did this off-season to improve.

 

I've never seen a player with so much to prove.

 

While I don't expect Nate to look like Rodgers 2.0 I am hopeful that the work he put in during the off-season and the addition of Brian Daboll can show he is at the very least a servicible spot starter in the NFL.

 

How do you know he worked harder this off season than last?

 

He really doesn't have much to prove.  He's a late round pick with very little expected of him at all, and a 1st round stud waiting to take his job any week this season.  That's pretty much zero pressure.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

Cut blocking with Tackles on pass protection has been used in the quick hitting passing game for a while

it can make the D end think twice about how fast he wants to shoot upfield, knowing now that he might eat the turf hard at fast pace 

it also immediately takes a defender out of the play...

it can be used successfully on quick passing plays and back side screens and such...

 

on the flip... a whiff of a cut leaves your QB on a 1 way trip to the concussion tent...

 

on the positive... Dawkins and Mills are 2 maulers who are more physical players than finesse blockers 

 

Dawkins excelled at cutting at Temple

Bill Belichick has used this technique over The years 

 

It's the 'flip' I'm worried about - on the play in the clip I linked, I dunno if it counts as a whiff, but both DEs remained on their feet and bore down on Peterman....

....the good news is the ball was already gone.

 

The bad news is, if the WR had tripped or failed to gain separation, Peterman better chuck it OOB PTQ if he wants to finish the game

 

Found this highlight from camp of Peterman launching one

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/camp-highlight-peterman-to-phillips-touchdown

 

[Domdab99]

...a win?

[Buffalo716]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

It's the 'flip' I'm worried about - on the play in the clip I linked, I dunno if it counts as a whiff, but both DEs remained on their feet and bore down on Peterman....

....the good news is the ball was already gone.

 

The bad news is, if the WR had tripped or failed to gain separation, Peterman better chuck it OOB PTQ if he wants to finish the game

 

Found this highlight from camp of Peterman launching one

https://www.buffalobills.com/video/camp-highlight-peterman-to-phillips-touchdown

 

 

I would say the RT semi whiffed and the LT did not do great because his man hurdles him

 

a clean cut at the LoS leaves the defender completely out of the play

[reddogblitz]

1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said:

 

I would say the RT semi whiffed and the LT did not do great because his man hurdles him

 

a clean cut at the LoS leaves the defender completely out of the play

 

 

[phypon]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Do you think our OL can hold long enough to let a WR get deep? 

They can def hold.  That's why they have all of those pre-season penalties!  I keed, I keed.  Good point.

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, Gray Beard said:

I bet one of the first few plays will be a long pass. Probably to a well covered receiver along the sideline on third and short. 

That’s a good idea IMO. Even if it gets picked it’s worth it to keep the DBs honest.

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

I have never seen him throw a bomb in 1 full regular season game approx and 7 pre sesson games.  So I assume he can't until I see him throw one.

 

And yes, the OLIne could hold long enough.  they did for Josh to throw a few.  doesn't take long for the QB to drop back and then throw it way down field to a guy that at the time is about 15 yards down field.  Even Hotrod could do that.

I am not sure what you mean by a bomb but i assure you every pro qb can throw a ball 60+ yards. He will not get it there as quick as allen but he can reach the guy. As for the line i doubt there ability to get the qb enough time consistently to throw deep.

[reddogblitz]

Just now, Buffalo Timmy said:

I am not sure what you mean by a bomb but i assure you every pro qb can throw a ball 60+ yards. He will not get it there as quick as allen but he can reach the guy. As for the line i doubt there ability to get the qb enough time consistently to throw deep.

 

Something like this:

 

 

3 seconds from snap to throw.  surely our OLIne will be able to do that if we have a QB that can throw it.

[billybob71]

22 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

How do you know he worked harder this off season than last?

 

He really doesn't have much to prove.  He's a late round pick with very little expected of him at all, and a 1st round stud waiting to take his job any week this season.  That's pretty much zero pressure.

He is starting in a NFL game on the road in week one of the season for a team with alot of question marks and a fan base who is just waiting for him to fail so they can see Allen play. Sounds like alot of pressure to me.  The question is how will he handle it. Will be interesting to watch.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

I would say the RT semi whiffed and the LT did not do great because his man hurdles him

a clean cut at the LoS leaves the defender completely out of the play

 

Then one factor in the horrific Cincy game, and even in the first game, is that these guys are doing this cut thing semi-successfully and leaving the DT free to roam

Obviously in the clip we're talking about, it was a non-issue because Peterman got it out quick but it resulted in Allen being buried a few times.

 

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, billybob71 said:

He is starting in a NFL game on the road in week one of the season for a team with alot of question marks and a fan base who is just waiting for him to fail so they can see Allen play. Sounds like alot of pressure to me.  The question is how will he handle it. Will be interesting to watch.

 

 

When everyone is expecting failure---that's the opposite of pressure.   It would be much more different if Allen was out there Sunday....

[MTBill]

I think we'll just need to see how this thing unfolds...  He has limitations to be sure - that's why he was a 5th round pick, not a 1st round pick.

 

Like you said, if he can't (or won't) throw it downfield, the whole field shortens and that will crush the running game as well.

 

Here is one "quick" analytics site I found for him in 2017.

 

Game Charting

Year	Team	Pos	G	GS	YAC	Rank	Short	Mid	Deep	Bomb
2017	BUF	QB	4	2	2.9	--	42%	42%	13%	4%

 

I could not find an explanation for the chart - I presume it is completion percentages - but no idea what the ranges used were.  There was some other site I saw last year which had a TON of analytic information - game by game.  It was posted here, I just don't recall it and am too busy/lazy to find it at the moment.

 

EDIT - I just answered my own question I think...  That is the attempts range.  4% of his pass attempts were a "bomb", 13% were deep, . . .  those % add up to 101% (with rounding 100%).

 

2nd EDIT - for comparison, here's the numbers for Tyrod:

 

Game Charting

Year	Team	Pos	G	GS	YAC	Rank	Short	Mid	Deep	Bomb
2017	BUF	QB	15	14	4.8	23	57%	27%	8%	8%

 

 

Edited September 6, 2018 by MTBill

[billybob71]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

When everyone is expecting failure---that's the opposite of pressure.   It would be much more different if Allen was out there Sunday....

Yeah you could be right might be a good spot for him to be in. I know I'm gonna be more nervous than I normally am watching him play. I hope he does well seems like a good kid. Man he has got to be chomping at the bit to get back out there after what happened last year.

[MTBill]

1 minute ago, ScottLaw said:

What receiver on this team is stretching the field? 

 

They have 0 speed at the position. 

 

If the QB can't put it down there, it doesn't matter if you have the Flash as a WR.  Not disagreeing with you we don't have a lot of speed though.

 

It takes two to make it work. I think if NP can at least get it consistently out 15-20 yards once in a while that will help, but if it becomes a dink-dunk Trent Edwards type of QB play - the field is going to contract and not much will succeed.  You have to be able to lay it out there once in a while just to keep them honest.

[TigerJ]

2 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

That depends hapless... do I think we can go 3-4 wide with only 5 lineman and dial up a deep play? No

 

Do I think Daboll can go singleback or I form, keep in some extra blockers and dial up a PA shot play? Yes

Then, theoretically, the defense will eventually figure out that when the Bills line up with 3-4 wide, they can still cheat short, clog passing lanes, and and try to take away the run game.  I suppose they could line Croom up in a slot, then have him motion to the backfield for extra blocking and hop the defense doesn't figure out what they're doing, but until the blocking of the 5 offensive linemen improve, it's going to handcuff the play calling to a degree.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, billybob71 said:

Yeah you could be right might be a good spot for him to be in. I know I'm gonna be more nervous than I normally am watching him play. I hope he does well seems like a good kid. Man he has got to be chomping at the bit to get back out there after what happened last year.

 

 

McD has given NP, again, house money to play with.

[Kelly the Dog]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

McD has given NP, again, house money to play with.

Disagree, WEO. Peterman owes his career to McD. There is a lot of pressure on Nate to perform.

 

He desperately does not want to be known as the only player in NFL history whose HC had to stand up and apologize to the team for playing him, TWICE!

[billsredneck1]

3 hours ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said:

A game without an interception?

can you ever stick with the topic?...instead of..whatever.  i hope he puts on a clinic.....but if not and they lose, it's a process until josh wins the job.

 

i choose to be a fan and not a critic. i even started that way with tierod last year.        bills 27-17.    nate 27-33 276 2 tds. 1 rush td. kb the happiest man on the team.( he did say nate was outstandingly  accurate...paraphrasing)  of course the game depends on one guy....trent you better show the f up murphy.

 

also, 40 yards in the air is a bomb.  nate can do that...and drop it in the basket. just getting that ball out in 2 seconds or less is gonna be huge. you cannot defend that i don't care if it's ivory out of the backfield or kerley over the middle for 15-20 or zay down the right side.

 

smother kb all you want but we have other guys that nate can target.  foster will catch a couple of huge throws.

Edited September 7, 2018 by billsredneck1