Nihilarian Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Whatever happens in Baltimore it will be one game out of 16... Its hard to imagine it could be worse than the San Diego or New Orleans games last year... Man that was ugly.. The Bills play the Chargers at home week 2, and from what I see the guy who didn't block Bosa last year is still playing RT. Then they play the Vikings on the road... It's not hard for me to imagine because I can remember what it was like without Eric Wood at center. The reason Juaron drafted him with a #1 pick was that because the previous season three Bills players (LG, C, RG) all tried to triple block NT Kris Jenkins and he still got to the QB and sacked him. This happened more than once and the end result was the quickest way to the QB is right up the middle.
Straight Hucklebuck Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 If Allen comes in and is good, then fans will back him, even with mistakes that are inevitable. If he comes in and looks like EJ Manuel, and the organization starts spinning that he needs time, and help, and coaching, and reps in OTA's like we've been told about every QB here since Kelly, then the clock starts on when he is pulled.
JaCrispy Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, wppete said: We need to get the season started already because we are starting to lose it on here. Starting?!? ? Edited September 5, 2018 by JaCrispy 1
Big Turk Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 It doesnt matter. When he is ready he will play. If its not til next year then its not til next year.
Norcalbillsfan Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 Ya unfortunately the Bill's are the medias favorite bash piece lately. The vultures are circling waiting for josh allen to fail.
billsfan_34 Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 48 minutes ago, Augie said: Even a few weeks from now we’ll have a clue what we’re dealing with. Right now, it’s still a mystery what we’ll have when we play for keeps. I’m sure it will be less than desired, but let Nate get the ball out quickly, then see where it goes from there. Next season is the OLine season (FA and draft) like this year was the Franchise QB year, I suspect. Spot on- it is a big unknown- 9-7 is the best record we could muster in 18 years- I want this thing built the right way and hopefully it is. If this year is a real bad year to lay groundwork for many good years ahead then im all in.
MJS Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 What was all that nonsense? Oh right, an opinion based on zero significant playing time by the team overall or Josh Allen. That's all.
RyanC883 Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 2 hours ago, wppete said: We need to get the season started already because we are starting to lose it on here. We all lost it a LONG time ago
gjv001 Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 Can we just let the coaches make a decision without second-guessing the move before it has a chance to gel? Give it a rest.
Nihilarian Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 5 minutes ago, Norcalbillsfan said: Ya unfortunately the Bill's are the medias favorite bash piece lately. The vultures are circling waiting for josh allen to fail. The thing is that the media all saw what we all saw in that AJ got his arse handed to him by Cleveland's first-string defense and again by Chicago's first-string defense. He didn't start to play okay until he faced the guys who won't even be on the roster in Chicago. Josh Allen was eaten alive by the Bengals first string defensive line and finally played a bit better against the backup Cincy defense with the Bills first string O line. It doesn't take a genius to see that the Bills offensive line is very poor at pass blocking and somewhat acceptable at run blocking. The problem is that this team wants to become a pass-first team with a QB starting that is very susceptible to a heavy pass rush as he is not a running QB and makes mistakes under pressure. You can blame the QB's all you want but given time like they all had against Carolina they all showed they could get the job done if given time in the pocket. The offensive line is the problem. Josh Allen showed he simply isn't quite ready to lead the team as the starting QB. He needs more experience in the film room, reading defenses and learning how pro defenses operate. I don't think that many people want Allen to fail, save Jets, Dolphins and Pats fans. It would be better for not only Bills fans but the entire NFL if Allen doesn't fail as they need star QBs that fans can love. JMO
quinnearlysghost88 Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 English 101: What's your thesis statement?
DuckyBoys Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 Cowherd is a bi polar troll. He changes his opinion by the minute and his taglines are there to polarize viewers 1
vorpma Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 4 hours ago, Midwest1981 said: ... and not in the way you think. In fact, it may have very little to do with him. But it's his situation- THIS situation- that makes it inherently difficult for him, as well as the Bills. Let me explain. First of all, what I was afraid would happen if Peterman won the job HAS happened. Not just "Joe" (largely informed) "Fan" but also the media- Colin Cowherd each of the last two days has corroborated this, to cite but one example- are snickering at Peterman starting because of the "five picks in one half" performance he may never live down. And Peterman beating out Allen naturally leads to more snickers, "Wow, if Josh Allen can't even beat out Nathan Peterman"... Josh Allen can't win from the perspective that it was widely acknowledged leading up to the draft, even among Allen supporters, that he required patience. But then when he's granted that patience it's not because he's not ready as much as it's perceived he'll never be ready, if he can't beat up the "abominable" likes of Nathan Peterman. That's just one problem. The other problem is... this is the NFL in 2018. How patient are Bills fans- and the Bills themselves- willing to be? I'm absolutely willing to be patient; Allen has demonstrated enough to make me believe that he isn't the fundamentally lost cause many summarily dismissed him as pre-draft... but the Bills' surrounding cast, skill position "weaponry" and especially our offensive line, has also demonstrated enough that they could really threaten to undo any of the progress Allen has made and have him running for his life, locking onto targets, suffering mechanically, and even suffering serious injury (we were all lucky he remained unscathed from preseason's week #3) if he's out there playing any time soon. I understand that trading up for Allen/Edmunds cost of 5 of our top-65 picks. But it was still inexcusable to do so little with our remaining draft capital- not until deep in day #3- to provide some offensive help for the highest QB we've ever taken. Yes, I know that will be addressed in time, specifically next offseason. But QB's don't get the same time now that they used to. Yes, I'm willing to be patient. But in the new CBA (signed 7 years ago)... QB's are MUCH easier to move on from than before- the financial commitment/entanglement is just no longer there. We didn't sign Allen to a 6-year, $78 million dollar deal with $50 million guaranteed like Sam Bradford did in 2010 (or Stafford the year before... or Alex Smith four years before, who lasted 8 years in San Francisco despite atrocious early career play). Remember the outcry by many when Doug Marrone benched E.J. Manuel after week #4 of just his sophomore season? "You don't- you CAN'T- bench a QB after just 15-20 starts!? He needs at least 30." Well, we did, and other than a week 17 game in 2016 to spite Tyrod and the recently fired Rex Manuel never started another game. Just two years ago the Broncos traded up in the 1st-round to draft Paxton Lynch. Well, a mere four starts later- those four starts were evidently enough- and he's not only not starting; he isn't even on Denver's roster. There's also some consensus that 2016 #1 overall pick Jared Goff was another really bad year in 2017- if it resembled 2016- from quite possibly the Rams looking for the next guy. I'm not saying that any of this is right- I'm just saying that it 'is,' at least how other teams have operated recently, given that the CBA allows teams to extricate out of lesser high 1st-round contracts and given irrationally impatient owners & fanbases. I'm willing to give Allen the time he needs but Buffalo must be, too. And unfortunately we don't have an Alex Smith having his best statistical season and leading the Chiefs to a divisional title to obscure that our rookie is sitting. Instead we have Nathan Peterman and the jokes that follow. Where do they come from and why are they here; millennials!
MTBill Posted September 5, 2018 Posted September 5, 2018 I'm sorry OP. Is this what the world has come to? This is the ridiculousness of the modern win now sentiment and the "media", "pundits", and "fans" know MORE than every Front office or league office for EVERY sport/team. Sports media exists for one purpose - to satisfy a rabid fanbase's need to hear how their team is doing from people who know jack squat and sell them ****. Sports radio guys are like religions - you can find one to support your beliefs if you listen to all of them. Let the people who get paid to do their job, do their job. Stop trying to second guess them and go back to enjoying the game - if you can't do that, maybe it's time to pick up a new hobby besides second guessing. Don't feed the bears (Cowherd et. al.). s.m.h.
Bob in STL Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 The entire offense needs work now that all the experimentation of the preseason is over. Given this, not starting Allen is good move. I wish Petersen all the best but fully expect we will see Allen take over sometime this season.
Augie Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 6 hours ago, teef said: words. But so MANY of them!!!! 2 hours ago, Bob in STL said: The entire offense needs work now that all the experimentation of the preseason is over. Given this, not starting Allen is good move. I wish Petersen all the best but fully expect we will see Allen take over sometime this season. Probably after Peterman gets a limb torn off, or some other horrific workplace accident for an NFL QB behind a terrible OLine. (But I do think they will plan better than they did for the Bengals game, because.....well, they just have to.) 1
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