Ego or Redemption - The Peterman Story

[ngbills]

The Bills took some slack around the league last year starting Peterman over Tyrod. Then it completely blew up in their face when Peterman failed in historic magnitude. Luckily the Bills made the playoffs because if they had barely missed I think it would have been talked about over and over how the coach failed the team with that decision. 

 

Fast forward a year and I cant help but think McD doesn't still fume over this. That his ego is still hurt and wants redemption. If Peterman can be even ok then McD can turn the page on his terrible decision last year. 

 

Does this cloud his judgement and push the Peterman as the starter? I still cannot fathom how this team goes into the season with him as the starter. Its not like he was a high pick that you dont want to give up on. We are talking about a marginal guy that has shown he is average at best, limited upside and has minimal value as a mentor to a young QB. Makes no sense. If we are going with the average guy why not bring in a vet that can mentor Allen until he is ready. Starting Peterman is a waste of time. Yes maybe he plays great and increases his trade value but that is a longshot. Might as well roll the dice on a former early pick if that is the game. 

Edited September 5, 2018 by ngbills

[teef]

Or mcd is just a coach who wants to give his rookie an more time to come along. If that’s the approach, why not let your other young qb get some development time. Maybe he becomes a great back up. 

[JoeF]

1 minute ago, ngbills said:

The Bills took some slack around the league last year starting Peterman over Tyrod. Then it completely blew up in their face when Peterman failed in historic magnitude. Luckily the Bills made the playoffs because if they had barely missed I think it would have been talked about over and over how the coach failed the team with that decision. 

 

Fast forward a year and I cant help but think McD doesn't still fume over this. That his ego is still hurt and wants redemption. If Peterman can be even ok then McD can turn the page on his terrible decision last year. 

 

Does this cloud his judgement and push the Peterman as the starter? I still cannot fathom how this team goes into the season with him as the starter. Its not like he was a high pick that you dont want to give up on. We are talking about a marginal guy that has shown he is average at best, limited upside and has minimal value as a mentor to a young QB. Makes no sense. If we are going with the average guy why not bring in a vet that can mentor Allen until he is ready. Starting Peterman is a waste of time. Yes maybe he plays great and increases his trade value but that is a longshot. Might as well roll the dice on a former early pick if that is the game. 

Totally legit post in my view, ngbills. 

 

I think, however, that McCarron was that "veteran bridge" and Peterman beat him out.  I do think McD has a special affinity for Nate (not as much as Tasker), but I also think Nate earned this opportunity by performing the best of the three in the preseason.  As much as McD preaches "the process" and "earning opportunities", it would ring hollow to the team if any other decision had been made at this point.  Once you establish the culture he has, you want to be consistent and this decision is consistent with the culture. 

 

Listen to Kyle talk about McD.  The first line of almost every interview is...."I know what to expect every day with Sean"  That consistency is really important.

[Doc]

I think McD is ecstatic that Peterman looked decent in pre-season, making the decision to sit Allen longer an easy and safe one for him.  And if Peterman fails again, they just say "we gave him a shot and that's why we drafted Allen."

[ngbills]

1 minute ago, teef said:

Or mcd is just a coach who wants to give his rookie an more time to come along. If that’s the approach, why not let your other young qb get some development time. Maybe he becomes a great back up. 

Could be the case. I am fine Allen not being ready. I just dont agree with Peterman being the guy you go with. I think psychology can play a role in peoples decisions, especially those with big egos. In my mind there are and were so many better options than Peterman even if Allen is not the guy. 

[HOUSE]

PETERMEN IS GOD, get over it

[Cheeseburger_in_paradise]

Starting a rookie behind that line would be a mistake. Peterman will be in trouble as well. They need another QB.

 

[Doc]

7 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Could be the case. I am fine Allen not being ready. I just dont agree with Peterman being the guy you go with. I think psychology can play a role in peoples decisions, especially those with big egos. In my mind there are and were so many better options than Peterman even if Allen is not the guy. 

 

Do you think AJM was the guy?  Should they have paid $15-20M for a bridge guy?

[drf1835]

How about Peterman is much better now than last year showed? He worked his rear off, won fairly the qb competition, outshined all other qbs in the league in preseason. and so the coach had no choice but to reward that. Wins inflates ego. If MCDermott thought Nate the Great was not the answer for this team right now, he is not going to risk the same thing happening as last year. 

[swnybillsfan]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Could be the case. I am fine Allen not being ready. I just dont agree with Peterman being the guy you go with. I think psychology can play a role in peoples decisions, especially those with big egos. In my mind there are and were so many better options than Peterman even if Allen is not the guy. 

i think peterman probably plays the position the way coach wants his qb to play it. quick decisions, and well placed balls (hitting a guy with timing and rhythm) i think is what they want. i know that peterman has physical limitations, but allen does not. maybe nate was seen as a better mentor/backup than mccarron. 

[PeterDude]

18 minutes ago, teef said:

Or mcd is just a coach who wants to give his rookie an more time to come along. If that’s the approach, why not let your other young qb get some development time. Maybe he becomes a great back up. 

 

I thought if Allen showed he could deal with the terrible OL play in the Cinci game and make some plays, he was going to be the starter.  For a while there, I thought it was Allen's job to lose, even though Peterman had better numbers the entire preseason.

 

Now I almost feel like Peterman is being put out there so Allen isn't "ruined" by not having a supporting cast.

6 minutes ago, drf1835 said:

How about Peterman is much better now than last year showed? He worked his rear off, won fairly the qb competition, outshined all other qbs in the league in preseason. and so the coach had no choice but to reward that. Wins inflates ego. If MCDermott thought Nate the Great was not the answer for this team right now, he is not going to risk the same thing happening as last year. 

 

I'm interested to see how Peterman holds up these first 4 games.  It almost seems like he's being setup to fail.

Edited September 5, 2018 by PeterDude

[Bring it]

It’s funny, on one hand I’m rooting for Peterman and then again I don’t see the talent in him to be an elite Qb. His outs are what dreams are made of! If you are a cornerback!!

Mcd just seems too much of a logically driven coach to let ego or personal feelings to get in the way of doing what is best for the team. When he started Nate over Tyrod last season it was because this team was struggling and it needed a spark. A spark that should come from veteran players in key positions. Tyrod wasn’t doing it. Whether he couldn’t or wouldn’t I don’t know.

Id like to see Peterman do well but we all know Allen has to be the future. He has tremendous gifts that Nate will never have!

[Real McClappy]

3 minutes ago, drf1835 said:

How about Peterman is much better now than last year showed? He worked his rear off, won fairly the qb competition, outshined all other qbs in the league in preseason. and so the coach had no choice but to reward that. Wins inflates ego. If MCDermott thought Nate the Great was not the answer for this team right now, he is not going to risk the same thing happening as last year. 

Impossible, players can't develop if not drafted in the first 2 rounds. If a 5th rd or later pick at QB you must complete 90% of your passes as 80% is garbage.

[Pirate Angel]

The entire team was getting their asses handed to them in historic proportions for weeks prior to the chargers game. Tyrod vs Peterman is like getting up to bat and watching the pitches vs going down swinging. Play it safe take what the defense gives you or swing for the fence hoping for a big hit

[Jobot]

It's not even a story imo.

 

Rookie head coach, made a decision, learned from it.  It has nothing to do with what will play out in 2018

[TigerJ]

If the Bills win the game, it's not a waste of time.

[teef]

23 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Could be the case. I am fine Allen not being ready. I just dont agree with Peterman being the guy you go with. I think psychology can play a role in peoples decisions, especially those with big egos. In my mind there are and were so many better options than Peterman even if Allen is not the guy. 

there's definitely better options.  they must like peterman to some degree obviously since they picked him.  could be a situation where he's cheap, and they already spent capital on him, so why not give him a go.  i'm not confident in nate either, but i don't know how much difference an off the street vet would make.  

15 minutes ago, PeterDude said:

 

I thought if Allen showed he could deal with the terrible OL play in the Cinci game and make some plays, he was going to be the starter.  For a while there, I thought it was Allen's job to lose, even though Peterman had better numbers the entire preseason.

 

Now I almost feel like Peterman is being put out there so Allen isn't "ruined" by not having a supporting cast.

 

 

i think that's exactly what's going on as well.

[Shaw66]

14 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said:

i think peterman probably plays the position the way coach wants his qb to play it. quick decisions, and well placed balls (hitting a guy with timing and rhythm) i think is what they want. i know that peterman has physical limitations, but allen does not. maybe nate was seen as a better mentor/backup than mccarron. 

I agree.  I think that's what McD saw last season and why he gave Peterman the start.  Ugly as that start was, I don't think it changed McDs mind.  He had no choice but to go back to Tyrod then, but it's a new season and he's seeing the same things in Peterman that he liked last season.  

 

I seriously doubt it's ego.  

[4_kidd_4]

maybe it’s the dreaded TANK, just well disguised!

[Doc]

I'll be pulling for him.  But if he throws that damn 10-yard out (again!)...