Week 1: Ravens Game Preparation - Nathan Peterman & Groy Starting

[JohnC]

8 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I don't want to speak for the poster but I'm pretty sure he meant only that he would be mediocre at best like Trent Edwards, not that his game is exactly the same.

 

Actually, there is at least one very strong comparison to Trentative, IMO. Very much like Nate, Edwards would read the defense pre-snap, decide where he was going to go with it, drop back and immediately throw a pretty or very accurate short pass, often a completion. It was only when Trent dropped back and tried to throw downfield that he became Trentative and always seemed to dump the ball off. Most of his passes, or at least half, were just like Nate, with a slightly stronger arm. On the 5 and 7 step drops he turned into Trentative.

Talent wise Peterman might be comparable to Edwards. But from a willingness to make a play each is dramatically different. Edwards had this inherent reluctance to trust the play that was called and would resort to checking down. That's the opposite process that Peterman follows. Peterman actually goes with the first read and without hesitation let the ball go. That's the opposite approach that the cautious Edwards would take with his repeated checkdown (as K-9 stated).

 

Because of his arm limitations Peterman is a limited qb. Most people would agree with that obvious assessment. But he has a good  grasp of the offense and the defense that he is facing. The challenge for the team is whether because of his physical limitation (arm strength) he can be a viable option until the more physically talented rookie is ready to play. I believe so while many others don't. 

[buffaloboyinATL]

10 hours ago, arcane said:

I'm willing to bet that, at some point in his career, Josh Allen will get some NFL playing time...

 

I'm also willing to bet it'll be when he has a handle on the playbook and isn't calling timeouts on 2nd down in the 1st quarter to have plays fully talked into his ear, so that he can start to spend lots of time learning to dissect defenses at this level. 

 

It's not as if the kid is going to spend the next 14 years on the bench and then retire.

I've been wondering. Everybody keeps talking bout how Baltimore will have designed plays to get Lamar Jackson on the field to utilize his unique capabilities, but I have not heard anyone speculate that the Bills might use Allen in a similar capacity.  Does anyone think that Daboll might put Allen on the field from time to time to utilize his mobility and arm strength, as well as give him valuable game time experience?  I know it is unorthodox and could mess up the timing of the offense, but I also think it could work extremely well in the right situations.

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[Kelly the Dog]

1 hour ago, JohnC said:

Talent wise Peterman might be comparable to Edwards. But from a willingness to make a play each is dramatically different. Edwards had this inherent reluctance to trust the play that was called and would resort to checking down. That's the opposite process that Peterman follows. Peterman actually goes with the first read and without hesitation let the ball go. That's the opposite approach that the cautious Edwards would take with his repeated checkdown (as K-9 stated).

 

Because of his arm limitations Peterman is a limited qb. Most people would agree with that obvious assessment. But he has a good  grasp of the offense and the defense that he is facing. The challenge for the team is whether because of his physical limitation (arm strength) he can be a viable option until the more physically talented rookie is ready to play. I believe so while many others don't. 

Very, very often, and more times than he checked down, Trent would do EXACTLY what Peterman does, which is read the defense presnap, decide where he his going presnap, drop back, look right there and throw a quick release and usually pretty accurate short pass. They both do (or did) that more than any other thing either does. 

 

When Trent didn't do that, and looked downfield is when he became Trentative and different from Nate. 

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[26CornerBlitz]

What impact will these new Bills have on Sunday plus 6 things to watch on Kickoff Weekend

 

 

It’s the 99th year of NFL football. Buffalo kicks off its 59th season this Sunday. And as usual, there’s no shortage of fascinating news and notes about the Bills and the league in general heading into the new season.

 

Here are some of the things Bills fans can keep an eye on this Sunday on Kickoff Weekend:

 

1. PETERMAN LATEST QB TO START A SEASON FOR THE BILLS

2. DABOLL’S OFFENSE FRONT AND CENTER

3. BOUNCE BACK SEASON FOR BALTIMORE’S QB?

4. NFL DEBUT FOR BILLS NEW PUNTER

5. NO CHARM IN “CHARM CITY” ON BILLS LAST VISIT

6. DIVISION RIVALS READY TO GO ALSO

 

Bills Today: Trent Murphy having a 'blast' in return from injury

 

Edited September 7, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

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[K-9]

11 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I don't want to speak for the poster but I'm pretty sure he meant only that he would be mediocre at best like Trent Edwards, not that his game is exactly the same.

 

Actually, there is at least one very strong comparison to Trentative, IMO. Very much like Nate, Edwards would read the defense pre-snap, decide where he was going to go with it, drop back and immediately throw a pretty or very accurate short pass, often a completion. It was only when Trent dropped back and tried to throw downfield that he became Trentative and always seemed to dump the ball off. Most of his passes, or at least half, were just like Nate, with a slightly stronger arm. On the 5 and 7 step drops he turned into Trentative.

I can see your point, too.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

Bills Injury Report: McCloud Out for Sunday

 

The Bills injury report is short for Week 1, but they will be without receiver Ray-Ray McCloud. The rookie was unable to practice this week due to a knee injury.

 

Questionable for Sunday's game is LB Julian Stanford. He's trying to return from a nose injury suffered in the Cincinnati preseason game when a shoulder pad from an opposing player got past his face mask on a play, which led to the injury.

 

Defensive linemen Trent Murphy and Kyle Williams who missed portions of the preseason due to injury both practiced fully all week and did not appear on the injury report. Head coach Sean McDermott declared both veteran players good to go for Sunday's opener.

 

Buffalo Bills 2018 Week 1 Depth Chart

Edited September 7, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[reddogblitz]

10 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

The Bills injury report is short for Week 1, but they will be without receiver Ray-Ray McCloud. The rookie was unable to practice this week due to a knee injury.

 

Looks like Ray Ray has tAken over M. Goodwin's roster spot.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[JohnC]

3 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Very, very often, and more times than he checked down, Trent would do EXACTLY what Peterman does, which is read the defense presnap, decide where he his going presnap, drop back, look right there and throw a quick release and usually pretty accurate short pass. They both do (or did) that more than any other thing either does. 

 

When Trent didn't do that, and looked downfield is when he became Trentative and different from Nate. 

I partially agree with what you said. I still hold that Peterman is more willing to throw the ball in the middle of the field and downfield risking throwing it up for grabs for the receiver to fight for than Trent. If you watched some of the preseason games you would have seen that he was more willing to throw into tight windows than Trent was willing to do. 

 

Where Peterman gets in trouble is when he throws the out passes (as you have noted). Because of his limited arm strength he becomes vulnerable to DBs waiting to jump the route and snatch the ball. From what I have seen so far is that the TEs are going to be utilized more than we have seen in a long time. 

 

Without a doubt Peterman is a temporary qb. Where I differ from you is that I fret less about his role than you do. We'll just have to wait for the real action to see how this plays out for him.

[26CornerBlitz]

Buffalo Bills DE Trent Murphy Glad to Be Back, Rejoin His Brothers

 

Orchard Park, N.Y. -- The Buffalo Bills defense left a bad taste in the mouths of their fans after the third preseason game against the Cincinnati Bengals.

 

The side of the ball that was arguably the reason the team made the playoffs last season showed some serious deficiencies against the pass. Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton threw for 200 yards and two touchdowns in under a half.

 

It was only the preseason but it's the only football that's been played. Coverage needs to be better and the defensive line has to generate some pressure.

 

The pass rush wasn't great last season. The Bills finished second to last in the league with just 27 sacks and you have to scroll all the way down to 84 in player rankings from last season to find the Bills' leaders in sacks: Jerry Hughes and Shaq Lawson with four apiece.

[pi2000]

If Peterman looks awful in the first half, and BUF's defense is keeping the game within reach.... then I think there's a good chance we see Allen start the second half.      

 

I'd say the chances of that scenario are fairly high.    

 

If Allen comes in and suddenly the offense starts moving the ball, then I think it's his job to lose.    If Allen can't move them, then probably back to Peterman for game 2.

[Fan in Chicago]

12 minutes ago, pi2000 said:

If Peterman looks awful in the first half, and BUF's defense is keeping the game within reach.... then I think there's a good chance we see Allen start the second half.      

 

I'd say the chances of that scenario are fairly high.    

 

If Allen comes in and suddenly the offense starts moving the ball, then I think it's his job to lose.    If Allen can't move them, then probably back to Peterman for game 2.

There are different kinds of awful. If Peterman is protecting the ball but not able to move the offense, I think he will continue to stay in the game. If IntercePeterman shows up in a big way, he maay get the hook. I think it's highly likely he plays the full game. 

[26CornerBlitz]

John Brown: Sunday Will Show If Receivers Are the Real Deal (3:34)

Wide receiver John Brown talks about how he can't wait to play in Week 1 and making plays for quarterback Joe Flacco.

 

Marlon Humphrey Talks About Stepping Up With Jimmy Smith Out (3:09)

Cornerback Marlon Humphrey wants to make more game-changing plays (turnovers) this year.

 

GMFB Crew Previews Ravens-Bills Matchup (1:26)

Kyle Brandt says he’s looking for Baltimore to ‘make a statement in this thing.’ Their eyes are on the Ravens defense and the new wide receivers.

Edited September 7, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Nihilarian]

14 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said:

I don't want to speak for the poster but I'm pretty sure he meant only that he would be mediocre at best like Trent Edwards, not that his game is exactly the same.

 

Actually, there is at least one very strong comparison to Trentative, IMO. Very much like Nate, Edwards would read the defense pre-snap, decide where he was going to go with it, drop back and immediately throw a pretty or very accurate short pass, often a completion. It was only when Trent dropped back and tried to throw downfield that he became Trentative and always seemed to dump the ball off. Most of his passes, or at least half, were just like Nate, with a slightly stronger arm. On the 5 and 7 step drops he turned into Trentative.

 

A lot of what we all saw was due to the offensive scheme Edwards was forced to play in at Buffalo. Trent played in a WCO scheme at Stanford and then played in a Mike Martz type deep passing scheme in Buffalo with Steve Fairchild, then Turk Schonert as his OC's. Martz was a jackass that got his QB's killed everywhere he went save when he had that great O line in St Louis. 

 

In his first season as the starting Buffalo Bills QB Edwards did well his first few games and the team started 4-0 in 2008, 5-1 after Arizona and San Diego. Bills fans were talking about Edwards like he was the next Joe Montana. That severe concussion in the Arizona game week 5 changed Edwards as did the many hits to the head during the season IMO.

 

Anyway, a deep passing scheme with Lee Evans, Josh Reed, and Roscoe Parish, James Hardy as WRs?  Royal, Schouman, Fine and TEs and Fred Jackson, Marshawn Lynch as RB's. I can recall watching Josh Reed run his routes and never look back to see if the QB was in trouble. 

 

Bottom line was that year the Bills brought in LG Derrick Dockery, RT Langston Walker in free agency and neither lived up to what they were overpaid which only seemed to piss off all-pro LT Jason Peters. Duke Preston was at center and Brad Butler was at RG. That line was simply not good enough to allow a lot of 5-7 step dropbacks in my view. Hence a big reason as to why Jackson and Lynch saw a lot of balls in the run game and passing game. 

 

If you go back and look over the catch percentages Lynch was at 71.1% and Jackson was at 82.2%. Lee Evans 102 targets for 62 receptions for a 61.8% catch percentage, Reed was better at 70%, Parrish had a 53.3%. Things got even worse the next year as both Jackson and Lynch were at 75% and Owens was 50.5%, Evans 96 targets for 44 receptions a 45.8%, Reed 50%, Parrish 60%.

  

 

It will be interesting to see if the current Bills O line can give Peterman time to throw. And if so, he should be okay. 

[26CornerBlitz]

1-on-1 With Brandon Williams: Defense Wants 'Shock and Awe' (4:47)

Defensive tackle Brandon Williams talks about what new Defensive Coordinator Wink Martindale is bringing to the unit, which has all 11 starters back.

 

1-on-1 With Harbs: Ravens Are Opening the Gates on Offense (3:55)

After a long training camp and preseason, Head Coach John Harbaugh is just as excited as you for the season to start. He wants to see the revved up offense and expects to see the defense be great.

[Kelly the Dog]

56 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

A lot of what we all saw was due to the offensive scheme Edwards was forced to play in at Buffalo. Trent played in a WCO scheme at Stanford and then played in a Mike Martz type deep passing scheme in Buffalo with Steve Fairchild, then Turk Schonert as his OC's. Martz was a jackass that got his QB's killed everywhere he went save when he had that great O line in St Louis. 

 

In his first season as the starting Buffalo Bills QB Edwards did well his first few games and the team started 4-0 in 2008, 5-1 after Arizona and San Diego. Bills fans were talking about Edwards like he was the next Joe Montana. That severe concussion in the Arizona game week 5 changed Edwards as did the many hits to the head during the season IMO.

 

Anyway, a deep passing scheme with Lee Evans, Josh Reed, and Roscoe Parish, James Hardy as WRs?  Royal, Schouman, Fine and TEs and Fred Jackson, Marshawn Lynch as RB's. I can recall watching Josh Reed run his routes and never look back to see if the QB was in trouble. 

 

Bottom line was that year the Bills brought in LG Derrick Dockery, RT Langston Walker in free agency and neither lived up to what they were overpaid which only seemed to piss off all-pro LT Jason Peters. Duke Preston was at center and Brad Butler was at RG. That line was simply not good enough to allow a lot of 5-7 step dropbacks in my view. Hence a big reason as to why Jackson and Lynch saw a lot of balls in the run game and passing game. 

 

If you go back and look over the catch percentages Lynch was at 71.1% and Jackson was at 82.2%. Lee Evans 102 targets for 62 receptions for a 61.8% catch percentage, Reed was better at 70%, Parrish had a 53.3%. Things got even worse the next year as both Jackson and Lynch were at 75% and Owens was 50.5%, Evans 96 targets for 44 receptions a 45.8%, Reed 50%, Parrish 60%.

  

 

It will be interesting to see if the current Bills O line can give Peterman time to throw. And if so, he should be okay. 

Bills fans WAY overrated what Trent was actually doing during that 4-0 start, IMO. He played well. Don't get me wrong. But it was not anything he was doing that he didn't do before. I don't buy that he was shell shocked after that big hit against the Cards and never returned to form. One of his career best games was first game back from concussion against the Chargers. 

[Stank_Nasty]

3 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said:

Bills fans WAY overrated what Trent was actually doing during that 4-0 start, IMO. He played well. Don't get me wrong. But it was not anything he was doing that he didn't do before. I don't buy that he was shell shocked after that big hit against the Cards and never returned to form. One of his career best games was first game back from concussion against the Chargers. 

i also always thought it was silly notion. like you said... he came back and played vs the chargers, the same way he had been playing during the 4-0 start. I never agreed with the whole "shell shocked" narrative.

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

GMFB Crew Previews Ravens-Bills Matchup (1:26)

Kyle Brandt says he’s looking for Baltimore to ‘make a statement in this thing.’ Their eyes are on the Ravens defense and the new wide receivers.

… whatever. 

 

I've said it before and i'll say it again. I have no clue how, year in and year out, the ravens get as much media hype as they do. 1 playoff berth in the previous 5 years. YAWN.

Edited September 7, 2018 by Stank_Nasty