26CornerBlitz Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 Game Preview: Bills at Ravens (1:34) John Murphy examines the Week 1 matchup between the Bills and Ravens at M&T Bank Stadium.
3rdand12 Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: It would be false, and completely different, my friend. Unless you are in the middle of the pocket, and see what only you can see with your helmet on in real time while thinking of where all receivers are, and simultaneously reading the defense, and simultaneously looking where the defenders are and will be where you are thinking of throwing it, ALL while Terrell Suggs is drooling to tear your head off and puncture your spleen 1-2 yards away from you and coming fast, you have little idea what it is like, regardless of your college or preseason or practice or classroom career. This is actually the part that worries me !!! 1
Nihilarian Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: Fair enough. That is a legitimate POV. I think Josh should play right now for about five separate reasons. 1. IMO, Peterman is a disaster waiting to happen. No need to rehash. Others disagree and that is fine and they may be right. 2. Our OL stinks right now and Peterman is likely to get killed behind it a lot more than bigger, more mobile, faster Josh who spent his entire college career used to jailbreaks, and Peterman is not good under a heavy rush. 3. What we discussed above. I don't think Josh will play well right away, but do think the earlier he plays, the quicker we get to him being good or great. There is no apprenticeship for starting QB in regular season NFL games. 4. We can only use half of our offense and half of the field with Nate, and the entire field with Josh. 5. Perhaps most importantly, the run game. The Ravens are going to line up 8-9 in the box all game long and take Shady and our run game out of the game, and dare Nate to beat them over the top. I'm skeptical that he can for several reasons, not all of which are his doing. If Josh is in, they MUST respect his cannon and they cannot just crowd the line and stop the run like that. While I see your points I simply don't think Josh Allen is anywhere near ready to start in the NFL. And particularly against the first few teams of this season in which those defenses are brutal. If Peterman is bad then let him get his arse handed to him and then send in the backup QB. It's usual that defenses tend to let up somewhat against the backup QB because they didn't plan against him. So I say keep starting Peterman until Josh gets a handle on how to read defenses, call protections while being able to survive long enough to develop into that franchise QB we all want him to become. 1
ColoradoBills Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 34 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: I agree. One of the things Josh mentioned was he could not get the Bengals defense sorted pre snap. That's okay, Those are things that come with school and time. I am quite sure Bills want Allen to succeed. He has not been on a game day sideline yet when the REAL bullets are flying. That will be much more intense than any preseason game. Give him a minute or two folks : ) After camp and preseason that is were I have settled. Give him a minute or two.
3rdand12 Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 17 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: While I see your points I simply don't think Josh Allen is anywhere near ready to start in the NFL. And particularly against the first few teams of this season in which those defenses are brutal. If Peterman is bad then let him get his arse handed to him and then send in the backup QB. It's usual that defenses tend to let up somewhat against the backup QB because they didn't plan against him. So I say keep starting Peterman until Josh gets a handle on how to read defenses, call protections while being able to survive long enough to develop into that franchise QB we all want him to become. who is the backup btw : )
Kelly the Dog Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: After camp and preseason that is were I have settled. Give him a minute or two. So if we receive the kick, we can expect Josh somewhere around the 13:00 mark of the first quarter Sunday? Awesome! 1
3rdand12 Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, ColoradoBills said: After camp and preseason that is were I have settled. Give him a minute or two. I have high hopes for him. Lets hope Nate can hold down the Fort. And if he exceeds some folks expectations, and survives the next 3 weeks ? all the better. Go Bills Just now, Kelly the Dog said: So if we receive the kick, we can expect Josh somewhere around the 13:00 mark of the first quarter Sunday? Awesome! Ha ha !! well done Kelly : ) 1 1
transplantbillsfan Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: Personally I thought Peterman looks like he has improved his game.....he was the most consistant and the bills want to sit Allen for a while longer....I understand the reasoning and have no problem with it..... Peterman is he starter for now....time to get behind it It's all we can do. We're Bills fans. I'm behind it. But I'm bracing myself for impact.
3rdand12 Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: It's all we can do. We're Bills fans. I'm behind it. But I'm bracing myself for impact. fair enough !
Nihilarian Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 9 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: It's all we can do. We're Bills fans. I'm behind it. But I'm bracing myself for impact. Not as much as Peterman is... 2
ColoradoBills Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 11 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: It's all we can do. We're Bills fans. I'm behind it. But I'm bracing myself for impact. Peterman's 1st drive, me riding shotgun! 1 1
3rdand12 Posted September 6, 2018 Posted September 6, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Not as much as Peterman is... should be fine......
Kelly the Dog Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Some here are convinced that Nate can never be any good based on previous results and/or limited skills that cannot be improved over time. The jury is actually still out on Shein, although he is a little long in the tooth. 1
Domdab99 Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 I don't think Peterman is going to be a disaster as the starter, I just think he's going to be mediocre. He's Trent Edwards.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 LB Lorenzo Alexander said Wednesday the Bills have to "change minds" about (0:31) LB Lorenzo Alexander said Wednesday the Bills have to "change minds" about how the team is perceived and recognized some will "continue to think of us as the bottom feeders of the NFL until we create longevity as far as winning around here." 1
K-9 Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 5 minutes ago, Domdab99 said: I don't think Peterman is going to be a disaster as the starter, I just think he's going to be mediocre. He's Trent Edwards. Gotta disagree here. There is nothing tentative at all about him. He takes the snap and lets it rip, totally trusting his first read. That may be because he likes what he sees pre-snap or because he lacks patience to go through progressions (I doubt this), but, either way, that ball gets out; torpedoes be damned. 1
buffaloboyinATL Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 19 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: Some here are convinced that Nate can never be any good based on previous results and/or limited skills that cannot be improved over time. The jury is actually still out on Shein, although he is a little long in the tooth. Schein has been a vocal Allen supporter, so this is more about support for Allen than negativity towards Peterman.
Franco_92 Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 9 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Joe Buscaglia ✔ @JoeBuscaglia #Bills OC Brian Daboll said Josh Allen is going to gain experience in no matter what role he's in. Yep. Kind of like a pilot who is taught in a classroom how to fly a 747, but isn't allowed to use a flight simulator or actually fly the plane. I'm willing to bet that, at some point in his career, Josh Allen will get some NFL playing time... I'm also willing to bet it'll be when he has a handle on the playbook and isn't calling timeouts on 2nd down in the 1st quarter to have plays fully talked into his ear, so that he can start to spend lots of time learning to dissect defenses at this level. It's not as if the kid is going to spend the next 14 years on the bench and then retire. 1
Kelly the Dog Posted September 7, 2018 Posted September 7, 2018 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Gotta disagree here. There is nothing tentative at all about him. He takes the snap and lets it rip, totally trusting his first read. That may be because he likes what he sees pre-snap or because he lacks patience to go through progressions (I doubt this), but, either way, that ball gets out; torpedoes be damned. I don't want to speak for the poster but I'm pretty sure he meant only that he would be mediocre at best like Trent Edwards, not that his game is exactly the same. Actually, there is at least one very strong comparison to Trentative, IMO. Very much like Nate, Edwards would read the defense pre-snap, decide where he was going to go with it, drop back and immediately throw a pretty or very accurate short pass, often a completion. It was only when Trent dropped back and tried to throw downfield that he became Trentative and always seemed to dump the ball off. Most of his passes, or at least half, were just like Nate, with a slightly stronger arm. On the 5 and 7 step drops he turned into Trentative. 2
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