Judging Beane’s decisions so far

[simpleman]

We can not judge Beane on this year’s draft yet, it is way too soon. But we now have a 52+ Million Dead Cap. Worst by a long, long field from the rest of the league.  How has he done so far with his signings and decisions? Forget the poor return on his trades, ugg! Look at our Oline mess and our WR disaster. Look how his talent evaluations have fared after the final season roster releases.

 

Signings by Beane for the Bills.

 

WR Kelvin Benjamin

RB Marcus Murphy

DT Star Lotulelei

QB AJ McCarron

CB Vontae Davis

C Russell Bodine

T Marshall Newhouse

WR Jeremy Kerley

WR Corey Coleman

DE Trent Murphy

CB Phillip Gaines

P Jon Ryan

WR Jordon Matthews

DE Terrence Fede

DT Tenny Palepoi

DE Ryan Russell

LB Keenan Robinson

OT Josh James

DT Rickey Hatley

CB Breon Borders

DT Deandre Coleman

RB Travaris Cadet

CB Tony McRae

CB Sammy Seamster

LB Tyrell Adams

WR Deonte Thompson

S L.J. McCray

TE Ryan O'Malley

C Adam Redmond

CB Greg Mabin

S Trae Elston

S Shamarko Thomas

WR Philly Brown

S Robert Blanton

LB Jelani Jenkins

WR Malachi Dupre

QB Keith Wenning

TE Rory Anderson

S Adrian McDonald

CB Jumal Rolle

E.J. Gaines

WR Anquan Boldin

WR Rashad Ross

WR Rod Streater,

WE Wes Saxton

LB Carl Bradford

DL Albert Havili

FB Sam Rogers

DT Tyrunn Walker

S Bacarri Rambo

OL Karim Barton

LB Sam Barrington

[plenzmd1]

9-7 last year, playoffs, two first-round selections in the top 16...10 picks next year and over $60M in space with your presumed franchise QB under cost control for the next 5 years. 

 

Seems pretty good to me so far

[NewEra]

Great thread.  Thanks for enlightening me!! 

[CuddyDark]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

9-7 last year, playoffs, two first-round selections in the top 16...10 picks next year and over $60M in space with your presumed franchise QB under cost control for the next 5 years. 

 

Seems pretty good to me so far

Honestly none of this has anything to do with Beane. Beane's test starts this season. It's his roster to build. His free agents and draft picks. Last years roster was 90% Whaley.

[Rc2catch]

I kinda get the sense people want to run this guy out of town already without even being close to the finished product.

lets keep in mind a lot of posters on here thought the team was a dumpster fire last year. 

Lot of Poyer who threads, and great we signed Hyde the guy who was always hurt and not very good on the Packers defense.. 

Lot of depth questions and we have no talent at certain positions posts. And let’s not forget the constant barrage of terrible trade posts. 

Those trades while questionable were just fine. We got something for Watkins who we didn’t want, got one year rental players and draft picks for dropping some guys they didn’t feel they needed or wanted to win or could win with. This regime feels they can get the best out of players with strong work ethic and intelligence. 

They may not be a powerhouse this year but I expect them to be competitive in most if not all games and they set things up beautifully for next year. 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

5 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Great thread.  Thanks for enlightening me!! 

 

...yup...listing all of the players he's brought in for tryouts and evaluations probably did it.....churning the roster 24/7 talent is not a good thing....hell, Nix started hibernating in early November when the season was officially over and woke up on Draft Day at 7:45......see what he does in 2019 with 10 picks and megabucks in the FA cookie jar....

Edited September 2, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

If we can’t judge him yet this season we certainly can’t blame him for all the dead cap space since he was hired after the draft last season (when a lot of FA deals were already made)

 

[plenzmd1]

1 minute ago, CuddyDark said:

Honestly none of this has anything to do with Beane. Beane's test starts this season. It's his roster to build. His free agents and draft picks. Last years roster was 90% Whaley.

WHAT????? All the dead space not on Beane? Allen not on Beane? All the picks next year not on Beane? the $60M in cap not on Beane?  The trades last year not one Beane?

[PlayoffsPlease]

It really comes to to Josh Allen, who I think will be great, if Allen fails, then Beane fails. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, plenzmd1 said:

9-7 last year, playoffs, two first-round selections in the top 16...10 picks next year and over $60M in space with your presumed franchise QB under cost control for the next 5 years. 

 

Seems pretty good to me so far

 

 

You gotta' admit that list looks putrid right now..........there's no Hype/Poyer/Lorax/Zach Brown type pickups.........fans took for granted Whaley's eye for defensive talent on the pro side.

 

And let's be honest here.........they made the playoffs on the strength of a strong start lead almost entirely by Whaley/Nix talent.

 

Without Dareus and Glenn they got much weaker on the LOS and were trying to tackle the tiger by the tail for most of the second half of the season.

 

If Allen pans out and Daboll proves to be a genius hire then the inability to identify good players in pro personnel matters a lot less than it appears to now.........otherwise Beane has dug a pretty deep talent hole.

 

 

[SoTier]

I think the lack of talent, excluding rookies, on this team and the huge amount of dead cap space pretty much says all you need to know about McDermott/Beane and their personnel skills: they're in over their heads.  McDermott is a good game coach.  He seems be a great coach at getting the best out of the players he has, but you cannot coach talent.   All the coaching in the world is not going to turn a JAG defensive end into Khalil Mack or turn Vlad Ducasse into Dave DeCastro.  McDermott is neither Bill Belichick nor Andy Reid; he should stick to coaching, have input into decisions on players, but he should not be charge of selecting player personnel, which it seems he is.

 

Beane seems to like to trade for injured players or players he and McDermott knew from their time with the Panthers,  and he wastes draft picks -- as in he wasted a seventh round pick on Corey Coleman when he could have picked him up as a FA 2 weeks later.   He also gambles too much.  He traded up to take both Allen and Edmunds, both of whom are "projects" rather than players who are bonafide Day 1 starters, although Edmunds is starting because there's nobody else and Allen may start for the same reason.

 

For all those fans salivating over the $90 million in cap space next season, consider that the Bills have so many holes -- mostly made by McDermott and Beane -- that there's not enough talent available in FA or in the draft to fill them all.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

13 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

It really comes to to Josh Allen, who I think will be great, if Allen fails, then Beane fails. 

 

If that's the case, then the team is in serious trouble as close to half of all rookie QB's fail regardless of how high or low they are picked. There was a chart posted a few months back that showed over the last7 seasons or so, only about 30% of first round QB's became true franchise type QB's.  So judging anyone on that is bad.

[plenzmd1]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

You gotta' admit that list looks putrid right now..........there's no Hype/Poyer/Lorax/Zach Brown type pickups.........fans took for granted Whaley's eye for defensive talent on the pro side.

 

And let's be honest here.........they made the playoffs on the strength of a strong start lead almost entirely by Whaley/Nix talent.

 

Without Dareus and Glenn they got much weaker on the LOS and were trying to tackle the tiger by the tail for most of the second half of the season.

 

If Allen pans out and Daboll proves to be a genius hire then the inability to identify good players in pro personnel matters a lot less than it appears to now.........otherwise Beane has dug a pretty deep talent hole.

 

 

i thought it looked pretty putrid last year at this time as well. No one though Hyde/Poyer was going to do what they did.  We have no clue how Star/Murphy are going to perform yet.

 

I guess I am buying more into the long-term plan than just this year..and going forward McBeane has torn this thing down and putting in place what I believe is the foundation for a sustained run when Brady exits stage left...

 

So I think he has done an excellent job..even with what i expect to be a 4-7 win season this year.

 

 

[TPS]

Seems this is about the hanging (of) judge Beane...

[vorpma]

Run this thread in two years, this organization was severely mismanaged for over 16 years! Give this team some time!

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, SoTier said:

  McDermott is a good game coach. 

 

Monday through Saturday I agree..think he is mediocre at best on Sundays, but hopefully will get better!

[Jpsredemption]

Acquiring draft picks and then lighting them on fire. That goes for McD and Beane. They talk about draft capital and then go ahead and trade picks away.

 

The more cracks you get the better your odds are. These guys don't seem to understand that.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Beane seems to like to trade for injured players or players he and McDermott knew from their time with the Panthers,  and he wastes draft picks -- as in he wasted a seventh round pick on Corey Coleman when he could have picked him up as a FA 2 weeks later.   He also gambles too much.  He traded up to take both Allen and Edmunds, both of whom are "projects" rather than players who are bonafide Day 1 starters, although Edmunds is starting because there's nobody else and Allen may start for the same reason.

 

For all those fans salivating over the $90 million in cap space next season, consider that the Bills have so many holes -- mostly made by McDermott and Beane -- that there's not enough talent available in FA or in the draft to fill them all.

 

Except he's be competing with 30 other teams to pick him up and not to mention would not have had 3 weeks of training camp under his belt to have learned the offense.  Just like when the Browns traded for TT, they knew we were going to release him, but they wanted exclusive rights to him so they made the trade.  We did the same here for a 2020 7th round pick.

 

So what QB should he have taken instead that you' could argue was a guaranteed day one starter.  Everyone one of them had some type of blemish.  Yes Darnold is starting, but trhere were/are long term questions about him too.

[simpleman]

17 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

If we can’t judge him yet this season we certainly can’t blame him for all the dead cap space since he was hired after the draft last season (when a lot of FA deals were already made)

 

NO! Every signing I listed was him. Forget the loss of cap on our two oline players to retirement. That still is almost 33 million dead cap for players who are playing for other teams. That alone is more dead cap than the next closest team in dead cap. With just minimal return for those trades.  he has been GM for well over a year. We can judge him for over a year of past performance. The facts speak for themselves. Future hopes and prayers are not reality. Just blind faith. And past performance does not support future faith.

[JAMIEBUF12]

I have no problem with the 50 million dead cap space for this season.Beane got rid of dead weight and bad contracts.Next season the Bills will be almost 100 million under the cap with no real huge contracts left either and with all their draft picks...This is how you reorganize a franchise.We may take some lumps this year ,but I think this organization will be solid the next 15 years....GO BILLS!!!!