boyst Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 This helps explain everything. And is a good reason to share George. Please, all pay your respects.
teef Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: In most football minds out there, he has built the worst roster in the NFL. The playoffs last year was largely on Whaley's moves. The guy wasted way too many picks on a QB that just doesn't have the football IQ and then traded even more to draft a LB. Do you really think this is the final product of what the bills are trying to do? If you dislike Beane, I get it, but your points seem pretty weak. Instant gratification or nothing. Not to mention you just assume Allen will fail. 4
WhoTom Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 I understand the OP's point, but the phrasing presents a false dichotomy: either you agree with everything the front office does or you hate the Bills. Yeah, I get tired of the doom-and-gloom mentality exhibited by some posters, but that doesn't mean they hate the Bills. 1 2
boyst Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: If the Internet had been in existence from 68-72 God knows what would have been posted. Al Gore was only 20 at the time. Hadn't yet begun work on the great internet 3
vorpma Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I love discussion but some of what I see is not that I've watched them since opening day 1960. Believe me, there have been far worse times. Man, if they only knew - I know where you are coming from oldmanfan! 2
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, WhoTom said: I understand the OP's point, but the phrasing presents a false dichotomy: either you agree with everything the front office does or you hate the Bills. Yeah, I get tired of the doom-and-gloom mentality exhibited by some posters, but that doesn't mean they hate the Bills. Perhaps hate is too strong. Dislike? Just now, vorpma said: Man, if they only knew - I know where you are coming from oldmanfan! Would you rather have Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott? Or Harvey Johnson and John Rauch?
Ittakestime Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, teef said: Do you really think this is the final product of what the bills are trying to do? If you dislike Beane, I get it, but your points seem pretty weak. Instant gratification or nothing. Not to mention you just assume Allen will fail. These are many of the pieces of the final product and it is not positive. I'm a huge believer in football IQ is a god given ability. It can't be taught. When push comes to shove, everyone goes back to their instincts. Allen has never had good football instincts. 1
WhoTom Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, oldmanfan said: Perhaps hate is too strong. Dislike? How about this: "If you're sure the Bills will suck this year, why bother watching the games?"
IDBillzFan Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Seems we have this discussion every year. It's not that they hate the Bills. It's that they love saying "I told you so." Their vehicle is to predict failure, the single easiest thing to predict in the NFL. They then cheer for the failure so they can walk around saying "I told you that was a bid pick! I told you we should have fill-in-the-blank-with-something-another-team-did-successfully-that-is-completely-irrelevant-to-what-the-Bills-did." And then when you call them out on the complete laziness of their position, they call you a fascist. 4 2
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, WhoTom said: How about this: "If you're sure the Bills will suck this year, why bother watching the games?" I like that
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Ittakestime said: These are many of the pieces of the final product and it is not positive. I'm a huge believer in football IQ is a god given ability. It can't be taught. When push comes to shove, everyone goes back to their instincts. Allen has never had good football instincts. Shouldn’t Allen be given a chance to actually develop and play in the NFL before we decide that he lacks “football IQ?” 3
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: Seems we have this discussion every year. It's not that they hate the Bills. It's that they love saying "I told you so." Their vehicle is to predict failure, the single easiest thing to predict in the NFL. They then cheer for the failure so they can walk around saying "I told you that was a bid pick! I told you we should have fill-in-the-blank-with-something-another-team-did-successfully-that-is-completely-irrelevant-to-what-the-Bills-did." And then when you call them out on the complete laziness of their position, they call you a fascist. I agree. It's just bizarre.
Gugny Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, LABillzFan said: Seems we have this discussion every year. It's not that they hate the Bills. It's that they love saying "I told you so." Their vehicle is to predict failure, the single easiest thing to predict in the NFL. They then cheer for the failure so they can walk around saying "I told you that was a bid pick! I told you we should have fill-in-the-blank-with-something-another-team-did-successfully-that-is-completely-irrelevant-to-what-the-Bills-did." And then when you call them out on the complete laziness of their position, they call you a fascist. Exactly. This is the time of year that crusades are born. People will post a "hot take," and run with it until the season is over. They will manipulate statistics so they'll fit the narrative. They'll take something as black and white as an obviously dropped pass by a Bills receiver and somehow turn it into Shaq Lawson's fault if they proclaimed Lawson was a bust 3 months prior. It's crazy sometimes. 2
teef Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: These are many of the pieces of the final product and it is not positive. I'm a huge believer in football IQ is a god given ability. It can't be taught. When push comes to shove, everyone goes back to their instincts. Allen has never had good football instincts. What pieces of the product are not positive? I get you’ve made up your mind about Allen, but what else?
vorpma Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Perhaps hate is too strong. Dislike? Would you rather have Brandon Beane and Sean McDermott? Or Harvey Johnson and John Rauch? I get it and you get it, unfortunately not many on this board get it; I'm ready to give McDermott and Beane a couple years including at least one dreadful season! I think we are moving in the right direction! 1 1
Ittakestime Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: Shouldn’t Allen be given a chance to actually develop and play in the NFL before we decide that he lacks “football IQ?” Like I said above, I don't think it can be taught so "developing" will do nothing in him reading a defense at LOS, quick audibles, sensing pressure, staying calm in the face of a blitz, etc. What Darnold at LOS and you will see the god given ability. Processing information in milli secs is a god given talent. Just now, teef said: What pieces of the product are not positive? I get you’ve made up your mind about Allen, but what else? What players do we have under 24 that have huge talents? White and maybe Edmunds? Edmunds to me is also a huge question make and I said the same thing at draft. His play at VT would not scream MLB. I don't think he should be playing that position. We had a huge cupboard of all these picks, and we came out with very little. So frustrating. 1
oldmanfan Posted September 1, 2018 Author Posted September 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said: Like I said above, I don't think it can be taught so "developing" will do nothing in him reading a defense at LOS, quick audibles, sensing pressure, staying calm in the face of a blitz, etc. What Darnold at LOS and you will see the god given ability. Processing information in milli secs is a god given talent. The irony of your avatar name and your attitude about Beane and Allen is priceless 2 2
downunderbill Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, Johnny Hammersticks said: May I ask why you hate Beane? What has he done exactly to make you feel this way? He has spent his brief tenure here cleaning up the raging dumpster fire left by the past regime. We have potentially drafted our QB of the future, and the Bills have the 2nd most cap space next season. Seems to me like he’s doing a pretty good job. You have one season to rebuild a franchise now otherwise it's a failure.
Ittakestime Posted September 1, 2018 Posted September 1, 2018 1 minute ago, oldmanfan said: The irony of your avatar name and your attitude about Beane and Allen is priceless Only the ones with high potential take time. Time is too valuable to waste on bums. Can't wait for the Bills to pass on a top QB next year because Allen is here. Meanwhile Allen will be trash and we had the chance to draft a top guy.
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