zow2 Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Josh is obviously the future, but hopefully this staff has the smarts to not put the kid in there for game #1. He and the offense were overwhelmed by Cincinnati's starting D-line just 5 days ago. He's not ready to go into a hostile environment and read a pro defense, have good communication in/out of the huddle, audible and execute at a high level. It's just not gonna happen in this game. Baltimore is back after a disappointing 2017. They will have a very good team this year. Their D is going to be playing with their hair on fire opening day. I think they'd still beat the Bills even if they started Lamar Jackson (which they won't). Do I think Nate Peterman will do well if he gets the start? I doubt it but I'd rather see him in there for this particular game than Allen. I think Nate has a year under his belt to notice pre-snap reads better than JA and to handle the difficult communication that will be required in a loud road stadium. If Peterman surprises people and plays well, then it's a nice bonus for everyone and the coaching staff will have a good situation on their hands. If he lays a big egg (like many will expect him to do)...then it's very justified and easy for McDermott to name Josh Allen the starter for the home opener vs. LA. I'd much rather see Allen get his first start in a friendly environment than on the road where he will literally have almost no chance to succeed. 1 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, zow2 said: Josh is obviously the future, but hopefully this staff has the smarts to not put the kid in there for game #1. He and the offense were overwhelmed by Cincinnati's starting D-line just 5 days ago. He's not ready to go into a hostile environment and read a pro defense, have good communication in/out of the huddle, audible and execute at a high level. It's just not gonna happen in this game. Baltimore is back after a disappointing 2017. They will have a very good team this year. Their D is going to be playing with their hair on fire opening day. I think they'd still beat the Bills even if they started Lamar Jackson (which they won't). Do I think Nate Peterman will do well if he gets the start? I doubt it but I'd rather see him in there for this particular game than Allen. I think Nate has a year under his belt to notice pre-snap reads better than JA and to handle the difficult communication that will be required in a loud road stadium. If Peterman surprises people and plays well, then it's a nice bonus for everyone and the coaching staff will have a good situation on their hands. If he lays a big egg (like many will expect him to do)...then it's very justified and easy for McDermott to name Josh Allen the starter for the home opener vs. LA. I'd much rather see Allen get his first start in a friendly environment than on the road where he will literally have almost no chance to succeed. They won't have their #1 CB for the game or their 1st round pick. Their offense doesn't impress me honestly, but their defense will be a pain to run on. Since they have a stout D-line and solid LBs - I like the peterman start because i think the game plan will dictate spreading the field a bit more to try and take advantage of matchups. 1
Mrbojanglezs Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) We have 5 years to take advantage of his rookie deal and surround him with expensive pieces to make a run. They better not wait too long...couple weeks is fine. But he needs to play majority of the games this year and get his feet wet. I am a firm believer that QBs learn best by playing regardless of how hostile the environment or bad the team is. If a QB has the mental makeup to be a franchise QB he will get through all the lumps. Edited August 31, 2018 by Mrbojanglezs 3 2
Soda Popinski Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 If he's ready play him. Put it on the Oline to give him protection. Give him quick 3 step drops and quick read options with no more than 2 progressions. Peterman won't get any more pass protection than Allen will. So just start the QB who gives us the best chance to win. I think that is Peterman right now, but if it's Allen I will defer to the staff knowing better than I do. 1
26TrapDraw Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 10 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: We have 5 years to take advantage of his rookie deal and surround him with expensive pieces to make a run. They better not wait too long...couple weeks is fine. But he needs to play majority of the games this year and get his feet wet. I am a firm believer that QBs learn best by playing regardless of how hostile the environment or bad the team is. If a QB has the mental makeup to be a franchise QB he will get through all the lumps. Sound logic. Although I recommend eating something that won't hurt on the way up when choosing Sundays menu. Watching Peterman throw the out pick 6 is gonna make me yak. 1 1
SoCal Deek Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Please let us know when you think it’s safe to play him. Tug on you ear or something so we’ll all know. ? 3
Soda Popinski Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said: Sound logic. Although I recommend eating something that won't hurt on the way up when choosing Sundays menu. Watching Peterman throw the out pick 6 is gonna make me yak. They can't have that route as an option for him, he was almost picked off in every game he played in on that route. Partially because of his arm, but also because he was late on that throw every time. That ball has to be in the air when the WR is making his cut and when his head gets around it should be about 15 yards from him. When Peterman threw that ball the WR was already coming back and had his head around, giving the DB time to close on the route and almost intercept the ball. In every one of those throws the WR became the defender. McCarron did the same thing last night and it went for 6
CommonCents Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 32 minutes ago, zow2 said: Josh is obviously the future, but hopefully this staff has the smarts to not put the kid in there for game #1. He and the offense were overwhelmed by Cincinnati's starting D-line just 5 days ago. He's not ready to go into a hostile environment and read a pro defense, have good communication in/out of the huddle, audible and execute at a high level. It's just not gonna happen in this game. Baltimore is back after a disappointing 2017. They will have a very good team this year. Their D is going to be playing with their hair on fire opening day. I think they'd still beat the Bills even if they started Lamar Jackson (which they won't). Do I think Nate Peterman will do well if he gets the start? I doubt it but I'd rather see him in there for this particular game than Allen. I think Nate has a year under his belt to notice pre-snap reads better than JA and to handle the difficult communication that will be required in a loud road stadium. If Peterman surprises people and plays well, then it's a nice bonus for everyone and the coaching staff will have a good situation on their hands. If he lays a big egg (like many will expect him to do)...then it's very justified and easy for McDermott to name Josh Allen the starter for the home opener vs. LA. I'd much rather see Allen get his first start in a friendly environment than on the road where he will literally have almost no chance to succeed. No one is ready. The coach decided to spend the entire summer rotating 3 QBs and he still hasn’t made a decision for week 1. I still love McD but he better have the dishes done when I get home, I’m getting sick of his ****.
JerseyBills Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Peterman has slowly won me over as a capable starter . I like his quick release and poise . The turnovers are concerning and turnovers are a major factor in a W or L. Allen has also won me over , even in an atrocious offensive performance against Bal, he showed poise , confidence and the stage is not to big for him. If anything that game vs Cincy proved that . His natural ability and progression in a few months has been a fantastic sign , regardless if he's the 1 or 2. This is where I'm at with both guys - whoever starts , should be put on a very short leash and if they consistently struggle, we need to get the other one in there imnediately and let the other showcase their ability. Bottom line - we have 2 Young starters that we can truly move forward with and be content with for 3 years . I also guarantee this offense, specifically OL , won't be that bad . We were missing our top player , Shady, who is a nightmare for defenses, and our best OL. Also respect Daboll enough that he figures out how to scheme around the OL. Ppl forget McD was EVALUATING positions, not scheming for the Bengals ferocious front 4 . So we need to take a deep breath and remember these variables and wait til week 1 , where I'm confident we look like a different team than we did in a Scrimmage game! 1
greeneblitz Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 (edited) Josh Allen should definitely start every game this year, we have no incumbent starter on the roster and it's his team now, we should have our eye on 2019 and not going into it with Josh Allen still a rookie, no one has ever learned anything from sitting on a bench watching a mediocre 2nd year QB play. We likely aren't going anywhere as a team and whether it's Peterman or Allen, it won't make a difference in the early going, but as the season rolls on Allen will hopefully start to bloom and get better and better with more experience. Whenever Allen goes in, it will be starting from scratch, we can't keep taking shortcuts. 6 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: This is where I'm at with both guys - whoever starts , should be put on a very short leash and if they consistently struggle, we need to get the other one in there imnediately and let the other showcase their ability. This is the single dumbest thing I've ever heard in all of football, that's the exact opposite to develop a young player, only desperate coaches and GM pull that garbage. Edited August 31, 2018 by greeneblitz 3
MAJBobby Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Start him. He is the future. QBs learn with game reps lets get these reps going sooner than later 3
SCBills Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Peterman has proven enough that if he is named starter, he deserves the chance. That being said, I want to see Allen. Daboll can scheme to keep him upright and I'm sure we run a decent amount, along with deploying 2 TE sets to slow the pass rush.
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Start Allen and ride the wave. It is NOT about this year
JerseyBills Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 4 minutes ago, greeneblitz said: Josh Allen should definitely start every game this year, we have no incumbent starter on the roster and it's his team now, we should have our eye on 2019 and not going into it with Josh Allen still a rookie, no one has ever learned anything from sitting on a bench watching a mediocre 2nd year QB play. We likely aren't going anywhere as a team and whether it's Peterman or Allen, it won't make a difference in the early going, but as the season rolls on Allen will hopefully start to bloom and get better and better with more experience. Whenever Allen goes in, it will be starting from scratch, we can't keep taking shortcuts. This is the single dumbest thing I've ever heard in all of football, that's the exact opposite to develop a young player, only desperate coaches and GM pull that garbage. We pulled that "garbage" just last year to a vet QB on a 5-4 team because he felt another QB can give us a better chance at Winning! It's all about winning. Are you kidding me?? The point is they are both extremely young and each has shown potential in different areas and have different strengths and weaknesses. McD isn't afraid to pull that move , if the starter isn't getting it done, ya gotta go with the other guy , whoever gives the best chance to win.
Wayne Cubed Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 I'm not sure how much you are suppose to read into what Allen did or didn't do against the Bengals. Or the offense as a whole, considering they were missing McCoy. It's preseason. Are you expecting things to look exactly like they did against the Bengals? Are you expecting to get exactly what you got from Peterman in the preseason? I feel like this happens every year, people haven't learned to not base things off of what they see in the preseason. 1
JerseyBills Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Start Allen and ride the wave. It is NOT about this year Maybe not to you and other fans. It is to the men at One Bills Drive , I can guarantee that. 1
Dablitzkrieg Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Maybe not to you and other fans. It is to the men at One Bills Drive , I can guarantee that. I am not saying they are not trying to win each week. I'm pretty sure the staff is smart enough to realize this team is not going to win a championship this year and Allen is the long-term solution. Better him get the kinks out ASAP, rather than do this next year instead. 1
JerseyBills Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I am not saying they are not trying to win each week. I'm pretty sure the staff is smart enough to realize this team is not going to win a championship this year and Allen is the long-term solution. Better him get the kinks out ASAP, rather than do this next year instead. I understand and I get it . Especially with the cap space available next year , Beane and McD can build on the foundation and truly put their stamp on this roster. But in the same breath, you really never know in this league. It's a league of "what ifs" for almost every club. The standard was set at 9 wins last year, anything less is a failure 1
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