Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Rob Johnson was always terrible. Think about it for a second. This is a guy who is big (at least tall), with a big arm, who could move, who played at a big school, in a pro style offense, under a former NFL coach, and who came from a football family with his dad being a legendary HS coach who molded him... and what happened? He fell to the fourth round. Scouts drool over guys like that. They always always get overdrafted. They knew. The scouts and GMs knew. And we should have. Despite his one good game in Jax. The first game he played was a microcosm of his entire career. He started, played lousy, got sacked and hurt, and then Flutie came in to almost save the day. I think we lost on the last play missing a 20 yard FG or something like that. That game was the entire RJ/Flutie controversy. BUT RJ RAN 30 YARDS WITH ONE SHOE!!! ONE SHOE!!! You know who else can run 30 yards in one shoe? My four year-old grand niece. 1
thebandit27 Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 26 minutes ago, ngbills said: Was not saying you - more the general mindset on the board. Especially when people talk about Tyrod. Ah ok
Bills Pimpin' Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Brees was not traded by San Diego. He was a FA. Neither was Brees injured for a couple years before becoming a FA. He was considered to need time to adjust from his college spread offense in 2001, and he was benched in favor of Flutie after he struggled in his 2nd year playing (2003). It’s true the Chargers thought Brees couldn’t play at a high level, so drafted Eli and traded for Rivers, after which Brees lit the place on fire. I don’t see the situations as being at all comparable, frankly. Brees was drafted at the top of the 1st round with the intention of him becoming “the man”. That is not what you hope for when you draft a guy in the 4th or 5th round. To give him his propers, Peterman has played well this pre-season but in terms of NFL talent evaluation or what we’ve seen so far, Peterman is no Drew Brees. A backup QB is needed and if Peterman plays decently, the Bills have no motivation to trade him more than the Eagles have a motivation to trade Foles. You are right Brees wasn't traded, but he was not kept by the Chargers either. The Chargers drafted Rivers #4 overall because the Chargers thought "Brees couldn't play at a high level". After drafting Rivers, "Brees lit the place on fire". Those are your words not mine. So explain to me then if Peterman "lights the place on fire" (which is basically the OP's scenario) after drafting Allen #7 how is it not a similar situation? What difference does it make what round Peterman was drafted in if he "lights the place on fire"? If its because you don't think it's plausible Peterman can "light the place on fire" then thats not playing by the rules of the scenario.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 2 hours ago, Kelly the Dog said: Yep on Brees. Although he was drafted at the top of the second round. And it should be noted that there were 30-31 teams then. I'm pretty sure he was pick 32, which of course would be first round any year since 2002. Sheesh thats what I meant. Damn eyeball 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 28 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: You are right Brees wasn't traded, but he was not kept by the Chargers either. Brees was a FA. He had been franchised in 2005. He could sign where he wanted. The Chargers offered him and his Tommy Johns shoulder 5 year, $50M (which was big money at that time) and he turned it down because he didn't like the terms and shopped elsewhere, signing with the Saints. Repeat: they didn't trade him, they didn't release him, he was a FA and "keeping him" was not an option unless they were willing to match or outbid the Saints by ramping up the big money contract they had already offered, all the while while they had a 1st round pick on the bench with the clock ticking on his rookie deal. Quote The Chargers drafted Rivers #4 overall because the Chargers thought "Brees couldn't play at a high level". After drafting Rivers, "Brees lit the place on fire". Those are your words not mine. So explain to me then if Peterman "lights the place on fire" (which is basically the OP's scenario) after drafting Allen #7 how is it not a similar situation? What difference does it make what round Peterman was drafted in if he "lights the place on fire"? If its because you don't think it's plausible Peterman can "light the place on fire" then thats not playing by the rules of the scenario. If we're going back to the OP scenario, we're talking about Flutie/Johnson, and not "lighting the place on fire" but "succeeding", which is spelled out as "5-2". That is not a similar situation for different reasons, spelled out by different responses up thread I don't agree with you that "succeeding" "5-2" is basically the same as "light the place on fire".
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Brees was a FA. He had been franchised in 2005. He could sign where he wanted. The Chargers offered him and his Tommy Johns shoulder 5 year, $50M (which was big money at that time) and he turned it down because he didn't like the terms and shopped elsewhere, signing with the Saints. Repeat: they didn't trade him, they didn't release him, he was a FA and "keeping him" was not an option unless they were willing to match or outbid the Saints by ramping up the big money contract they had already offered, all the while while they had a 1st round pick on the bench with the clock ticking on his rookie deal. Brees' shoulder was still an issue. He and Dante Culpepper both wanted to sign with the Dolphins and the Dolphins brass, which was Nick Saban and others at the time, preferred Brees. But their doctors were very worried about his shoulder, so they signed Culpepper over Brees, even though he was coming off an injury, too. Then Brees signed with NO.
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 ....hmmm...."Peterman/Allen are the next Flutie/Johnson"....thoughts like these are better kept as a deep, dark secret versus impugning one's credibility (COUGH)....besides, the "Double H Boyz" as in Holcomb & Hamdan are better than the whole damn lot anyway...........
Kelly the Dog Posted August 31, 2018 Posted August 31, 2018 Peterman/Allen is more like Jim Druckenmiller/Steve Young than Flutie/Johnson.
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