Augie Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Figster said: Explain the error of my ways then What Mack is worth is debatale without the insults, no? Yeah, that was not the best way to address things, IMO. Sorry to see that. I disagree with you, but try to do it politely. 1 1
jrober38 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 Not a chance. Our next two first round picks should be quite high. Next year's might be a top 5 pick.
Figster Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Teddy KGB said: You gotta forgive him. He would rather have big Mike Williams, Leodis, Whiffner, and Ej Manuel than Khalil Mack ??? All is forgiven thanks buddy 1
ChevyVanMiller Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) INteresting thread idea. Edited August 30, 2018 by ChevyVanMiller
Lfod Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 "Not for a player that doesn't want to be on your team. I'm not going to solve your problem and over pay you for it." -Beane *Click*
LABILLBACKER Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 26 minutes ago, mrags said: The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him. Amd no. At that price I would not. Bring the price down Raidus or Mack will be brushing up on his golf game this fall. A 1st & 3rd is as high as I go.
stony Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) If Beane did this, it would be the first red flag of his tenure. Everything he's said and done until now has been the opposite of going out and paying both significant draft capital and long-term contract/money. Based on this, I cannot see it happening IMHO. Edited August 30, 2018 by stony
formerlyofCtown Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 15 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: You gotta forgive him. He would rather have big Mike Williams, Leodis, Whiffner, and Ej Manuel than Khalil Mack ??? I get what you're saying but those front offices are gone.
fridge Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 Sorry for not knowing, but what is the source of the two firsts? That very well be their initial asking price, but there's no chance they'll end up getting that. I would think 2019 1st and mid-round 2020 is the most you're going to get for a hold-out player. Oakland simply doesn't have enough leverage to pull off two firsts.
apuszczalowski Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 If you want elite talent, you are going to have to pay Elite prices for it. The Raiders don't have to trade him, and it doesn't matter to them that you have to give him a huge contract He is one of the top defensive players in the league and they aren't going to give him away for nothing right now just because he will sit out. And people always seem to get confuse when they see it, this is just their asking price, why would a teams asking price not be higher then most would be willing to pay? You are always going to ask for more then what you will most likely be willing to accept later on. They ask for 2 1sts not, then someone negotiates and gets him for a 1st & a 2nd, or 1st & 2-3rds, etc. Or a team comes along and says they can give up 2 1sts because they want him. 5 minutes ago, fridge said: Sorry for not knowing, but what is the source of the two firsts? That very well be their initial asking price, but there's no chance they'll end up getting that. I would think 2019 1st and mid-round 2020 is the most you're going to get for a hold-out player. Oakland simply doesn't have enough leverage to pull off two firsts. I believe that came from the Raiders themselves, or a "source close to the Raiders" 1
mannc Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 44 minutes ago, mrags said: The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him. Amd no. At that price I would not. Exactly. No team is going to offer that, just like no team was going to offer the eagles a first and a third for Foles. 3 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: If you want elite talent, you are going to have to pay Elite prices for it. The Raiders don't have to trade him, and it doesn't matter to them that you have to give him a huge contract He is one of the top defensive players in the league and they aren't going to give him away for nothing right now just because he will sit out. And people always seem to get confuse when they see it, this is just their asking price, why would a teams asking price not be higher then most would be willing to pay? You are always going to ask for more then what you will most likely be willing to accept later on. They ask for 2 1sts not, then someone negotiates and gets him for a 1st & a 2nd, or 1st & 2-3rds, etc. Or a team comes along and says they can give up 2 1sts because they want him. No one’s giving up a first and a second for him, either. They’re dreaming,
Figster Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, stony said: If Beane did this, it would be the first red flag of his tenure. Everything he's said and done until now has been the opposite of going out and paying both significant draft capital and long-term contract/money. Based on this, I cannot see it happening IMHO. unlikely, McD and the big Mack attack ... 1
cle23 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 51 minutes ago, mrags said: The closer it gets to game day. And the more Mack stresses that he will not play and will sit out the entire year only to leave in FA in the offseason, the raiders will take what they can get for him. Asking everyone for 2 first rounds now will gauge if anyone is stupid enough to offer that for him. Amd no. At that price I would not. If he sits out the year, he won't be a FA next year. I think he has to report by Week 10, but they can fine him $800k+ per game missed. I'm guessing he blinks before they do. And no, they won't get 2 1sts for him. 1 1
Mister Defense Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 Didn't the Bills give up two first round picks to get Cornelius Bennett? How did that trade work out? 1
mannc Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mister Defense said: Didn't the Bills give up two first round picks to get Cornelius Bennett? How did that trade work out? Oh, you mean 31 years ago? 2
SoCal Deek Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 Forgive me for not reading thru everyone's posts but wouldn't this mean we used two first rounders on Sammy, and then would turn around use two first rounders on Mack, who we could have had when we drafted Sammy? I mean.....YIKES! 3 1
Gugny Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 As long as he can be a DE, LB, WR and OL, then yes. It's a steal!!
Augie Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gugny said: As long as he can be a DE, LB, WR and OL, then yes. It's a steal!! He will be as versatile as he will be wealthy, so YES! He will also cut your grass and do your taxes. How do you pass that up? 2
Gugny Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Augie said: He will be as versatile as he will be wealthy, so YES! He will also cut your grass and do your taxes. How do you pass that up? Did you just call Khalil Mack a Mexican accountant? 2
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