Boca BIlls Posted August 29, 2018 Posted August 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Shotgunner said: His point, well, misses the point. It's not about this year, not about Peterman making the line better, or anything like that. It's about not ruining Josh. He's a fancy sports car and we shouldn't put him in there to plow the driveway. If it ruins the QB then he was never meant to be a starter in the first place. 1 1
PlayoffsPlease Posted August 29, 2018 Posted August 29, 2018 6 hours ago, Flip Johnson said: Rob Johnson's offensive line was terrible. It didn't get good for Flutie - he just hid it with mobility and quicker decisions. Even with Glenn-Incognito-Wood, this team's pass protection has not been good in a long time. Tyrod just masked that. peterman isn't at all like flutie. allen isn't at all like johnson. other than that your analogy makes perfect sense.
Augie Posted August 29, 2018 Posted August 29, 2018 42 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: Maybe that’s not a fair stat since he’s had so much more experience facing opponents in his face so early and often? ?
Boca BIlls Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Augie said: Maybe that’s not a fair stat since he’s had so much more experience facing opponents in his face so early and often? ? Well then his rating would be lower if that is true. No different than batting average. The fact that it's still that high is amazing. Edited August 30, 2018 by Boca BIlls
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 1 hour ago, Batman1876 said: The skill of the players around changes how you value strengths and weaknesses of the QB. It’s not black and white. Peterman gets rid of the ball quick but can’t throw deep or to the boundaries. With a better line he’s the less appealing QB with our line that quick delivery is a premium skill. With a good line Allen would be the better choice, his slower ball delivery would be offset by his ability to throw anywhere. If His slower delivery is an artifact of not undersranding the offense, then he’s just not ready.
T master Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 Could that kind of opinion & action taken while at his last gig of which he was fired from be the reason why he's in radio now ??
Buffalo86 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 If what we saw on Sunday is a fair representation of what we can expect from our O-line this season, it almost seems cruel to make anyone start at QB. 1
Boatdrinks Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 32 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: If His slower delivery is an artifact of not undersranding the offense, then he’s just not ready. Didn’t he score crazy high on the wonderlic ? It’s unlikely Allen has trouble understanding the offense. Where is this slow delivery myth coming from for Allen ? He has a quick release and a howitzer arm. Holding onto the ball or waiting to long to pull the trigger isn’t the same thing as a slow delivery.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 14 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Didn’t he score crazy high on the wonderlic ? It’s unlikely Allen has trouble understanding the offense. Where is this slow delivery myth coming from for Allen ? He has a quick release and a howitzer arm. Holding onto the ball or waiting to long to pull the trigger isn’t the same thing as a slow delivery. Im only arguing the position of ‘not ready’. This kids hasn’t had the type of coaching most nfl players have had. Very possible he’s just not there yet
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Im only arguing the position of ‘not ready’. This kids hasn’t had the type of coaching most nfl players have had. Very possible he’s just not there yet I agree he’s not there yet. But he had the same coach as Carson Wentz in college,
Boatdrinks Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 8 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I agree he’s not there yet. But he had the same coach as Carson Wentz in college, Troof
Heavy Kevi Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said: If it ruins the QB then he was never meant to be a starter in the first place. Yeah I'm not buying that... ...and since there is no proof either way, I'll stick to caution. Not saying a little pressure can ruin a guy, but if the OL is historically bad, anyone would get a little aprehensive when a DL or LB is in the backfield on every play before you can even make a 3 step drop. More than that... Honestly, why risk it?
atlbillsfan1975 Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 There are a lot of good quarterbacks who played behind bad lines early in their career. Allen is experienced with it. Still would rather see him play than Peterman. Allen will get better with more reps. I also think Shady will make a ton of difference when on the field.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 (edited) 39 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: I agree he’s not there yet. But he had the same coach as Carson Wentz in college, Not for very long though.... obviously they either didn’t see mechanics flaws or didn’t try to fix them unless they arent as fixed as we were hoping by now? Edited August 30, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood
GunnerBill Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 13 hours ago, BigDingus said: That's preferrable to needing 3+ seconds to analyze and read the field, especially when you're going to get 2 at best on most snaps. I think it will still lead to a lot of picks and poor decisions. I honestly have no idea what I'd do opening day at Quarterback. My confidence in the pass protection is rock bottom and I don't know which is the least bad option. Maybe Peterman with a lot of pre-snap movement to try and diagnose the D as accurately as possible before the snap or maybe Allen with lots of RPO so he only has to read one defender and can get it out quicker? I am very concerned either way. 1
BB@Shooter Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 16 hours ago, RochesterRob said: You're right and that point was just made recently. The central point I was making was that far more QB's wash out when thrown to the wolves than thrive. The 93 degree temp at present is affecting my memory. I have a feeling that statement wouldn't change much one way or the other. Either you are a good NFL qb, or you aren't. Sitting wouldn't help 95% of those guys to become qulaity qbs.
jkirchofer Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 Allen needs to get used to the speed of the NFL. The only way that happens is by playing. Peterman is the safe decision. Allen is the right decision. Many of the Quarterbacks that sat a year and had any sort of success sat behind established, and sometimes great Quarterbacks. Allen isn’t going to learn much from Peterman.
Fred Clause Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 18 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: Agreed. Peterman makes the line look better by making better pre-snap reads and faster decisions & throws. But I also agree with Lombardi that Peterman shouldn't start because the line is horrible. He should start because he's done the best job behind that horrible line. I began this year saying that AJ is the present, Allen is the future, and Peterman is the odd man out. But I don't know how we can ignore the preseason. So far the offense works best when Peterman is under center. Allen, on the other hand, has shown potential. I think he ought to be the starter once he shows he can consistently make quick, good decisions with the ball. That may be later this season but it's not today. Peterman has had one successful drive against a vanilla 1st string defense. A lot of people are going to be shocked come opening day if he starts vs Baltimore.
jkirchofer Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 You just don’t draft a project QB at 7. You draft your starter.
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted August 30, 2018 Posted August 30, 2018 24 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: You just don’t draft a project QB at 7. You draft your starter. the college game isn't the NFL game every QB has a lot to learn once they become a pro.
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