26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) Subscription required for full access Bills Film Room: Breaking down each of the Bengals' five... Edited August 28, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz 2
whatdrought Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 In the first vid when Groy notified of 5 on 5 he should have said 5 on 2, cause only 2 blocked. 3
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 OK. Ducasse gets cut. Allen sits until he is ready. This looks like a 2-2 tie. He has 3 sec twice. Got to get the ball out. Now pick up another G and start the season with Dawkins/Groy/Bodine/Miller/Mills with Newhouse/Teller and McDermott backing up. Ike/DeBeers to PS. If the new G pans out and can start, either Newhouse or McDermott walks. 4
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2018 Author Posted August 28, 2018 On 8/27/2018 at 10:24 AM, 26CornerBlitz said: Buffalo Bills’ offensive line crumbles against the Cincinnati Bengals Sunday’s game against the Cincinnati Bengals was felt by many to be the beginning of the Josh Allen era for the Buffalo Bills. By the time halftime rolled around, Bills fans were left hoping the middle and end of the Josh Allen era will be much better than the starting line. Five sacks, not a whole lot of yards, and zero scores prompts the question, “what the hell happened?” The offensive line was a major talking point. How much of the burden do they bear? To find out, we timed every passing down where the snap to pressure (or pass) could be accurately recorded. If a pass was thrown without pressure, the timer ended at release. For a pressure, the timer ended when a defender was close enough to impact the play. Typically, this was either at about one arm’s length of Josh Allen, or in the case of a designed roll-out when the defender occupied a space that would have flushed Allen had he not already been running. This is one of those two clean pockets mentioned above. So, how bad was the line? On the recorded 16 snaps, the line averaged about 2.1 seconds of successful protection. Their best pocket of the night is the one right above this paragraph. Three snaps saw pressure in 1.5 seconds or less. The worst performance of the night saw pressure at roughly 1.25 seconds. With the regular season rapidly approaching, fans are right to be worried about the state of the offensive line. Putting this here for those who missed it the post game thread. 1 2
Green Lightning Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsRdue said: OK. Ducasse gets cut. Allen sits until he is ready. This looks like a 2-2 tie. He has 3 sec twice. Got to get the ball out. Now pick up another G and start the season with Dawkins/Groy/Bodine/Miller/Mills with Newhouse/Teller and McDermott backing up. Ike/DeBeers to PS. If the new G pans out and can start, either Newhouse or McDermott walks. Won't argue the Ducasse cut, but Bodine will get pushed back on every pass protect snap.
1st Ammendment NoMas Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, Green Lightning said: Won't argue the Ducasse cut, but Bodine will get pushed back on every pass protect snap. Yeah, we've got one stink link that is going to hurt us regardless. Bodine is the lesser of two suckages which is why we need to sign a serviceable G like Joeckel/Evans and let Groy play C. Until then this is probably our best 5.
whatdrought Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) This is very illuminating. Josh definitely missed some things, but had very little to work with and even when he had time, he had pressure in his grill. I think the thing that bothers me is that the D-line was making the O-line its you know what all game and we didn't adjust at all. We didn't go to short dumps, or keeping a blocking end in, or chipping with the running backs. Our biggest pet peeve last year was a game plan that had no fluidity... I really hope we don't see that this year. I also don't like the last video where he said "failed to pull trigger" but didn't show us the downfield perspective. I could be missing it by not reading the article, but definitely need context on that. Edited August 28, 2018 by whatdrought 1
dpberr Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 To me, it looks like the OL is completely baffled on where CIN is going, and they end up chasing the Bengals as they run into the backfield. Mills #79 completely wiffs on his block and ends up chasing his man in the first video. That's not a strength issue. That's problems comprehending zone blocking.
Bray Wyatt Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 Yes ideally he could have made two throws to avoid sacks, 3 of them I say werent really on him. However the fact that he is a rookie, means he will need more from time to time. For instance, he missed the one throw to 14 (Kerley?) and ideally he would have just checked it down then, but he didnt even have time for that it looked like 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, BillsRdue said: OK. Ducasse gets cut. Allen sits until he is ready. This looks like a 2-2 tie. He has 3 sec twice. Got to get the ball out. Now pick up another G and start the season with Dawkins/Groy/Bodine/Miller/Mills with Newhouse/Teller and McDermott backing up. Ike/DeBeers to PS. If the new G pans out and can start, either Newhouse or McDermott walks. This only shows the sacks though - it doesn't show all the plays where he did get the ball out and still got nailed. 2
Green Lightning Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, whatdrought said: This is very illuminating. Josh definitely missed some things, but had very little to work with and even when he had time, he had pressure in his grill. I think the thing that bothers me is that the D-line was making the O-line its you know what all game and we didn't adjust at all. We didn't go to short dumps, or keeping a blocking end in, or chipping with the running backs. Our biggest pet peeve last year was a game plan that had no fluidity... I really hope we don't see that this year. Which we did the first pre-season game so go figure. Maybe the just wanted to see how badly our OL straight-up sucks. Now we and everybody else knows how soft we are in the middle.
whatdrought Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, Green Lightning said: Which we did the first pre-season game so go figure. Maybe the just wanted to see how badly our OL straight-up sucks. Now we and everybody else knows how soft we are in the middle. Maybe next time just get a bill board outside the ralph. Save the rookie some bruises.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, whatdrought said: This is very illuminating. Josh definitely missed some things, but had very little to work with and even when he had time, he had pressure in his grill. I think the thing that bothers me is that the D-line was making the O-line its you know what all game and we didn't adjust at all. We didn't go to short dumps, or keeping a blocking end in, or chipping with the running backs. Our biggest pet peeve last year was a game plan that had no fluidity... I really hope we don't see that this year. I also don't like the last video where he said "failed to pull trigger" but didn't show us the downfield perspective. I could be missing it by not reading the article, but definitely need context on that. This may be foolish of me, but I truly believe that those type of adjustments would have been made in a regular season game. I believe the staff wanted tape on the plays that were run, regardless of the opposing defense's success. I also think they wanted to see if Allen's mechanics and footwork would revert under pressure, or if they would hold. And finally, I think that as the outing progressed they wanted to see how Allen would handle criticism and negative press following the game. 1
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, whatdrought said: This is very illuminating. Josh definitely missed some things, but had very little to work with and even when he had time, he had pressure in his grill. I think the thing that bothers me is that the D-line was making the O-line its you know what all game and we didn't adjust at all. We didn't go to short dumps, or keeping a blocking end in, or chipping with the running backs. Our biggest pet peeve last year was a game plan that had no fluidity... I really hope we don't see that this year. I also don't like the last video where he said "failed to pull trigger" but didn't show us the downfield perspective. I could be missing it by not reading the article, but definitely need context on that. They need to get lined up faster is the main thing. Helps recognize coverage, and helps assign the blocking. Millers 3 penalties killed some drives too, since short dumps won't get you anywhere on 3rd and 7+
Starr Almighty Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 Why is it that the Bills hardly run screen plays to slow down the rush. They used it all the time with Thurman.
whatdrought Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: This may be foolish of me, but I truly believe that those type of adjustments would have been made in a regular season game. I believe the staff wanted tape on the plays that were run, regardless of the opposing defense's success. I also think they wanted to see if Allen's mechanics and footwork would revert under pressure, or if they would hold. And finally, I think that as the outing progressed they wanted to see how Allen would handle criticism and negative press following the game. I agree with this. I think gameplanning is so vanilla in the pre-season that bothering with adjustments isn't worth much. I also think Cincy just wanted to kill someone.
Green Lightning Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: Maybe next time just get a bill board outside the ralph. Save the rookie some bruises. To tell you the truth, when I was watching the debacle, it seemed like they were testing Allen's big value prop - namely the vertical passing game, which I thought a good idea. But after a quarter of the OL getting B-slapped, you would figure they would rethink the rook's first big outing and try something more effective. 1
26CornerBlitz Posted August 28, 2018 Author Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: I agree with this. I think gameplanning is so vanilla in the pre-season that bothering with adjustments isn't worth much. I also think Cincy just wanted to kill someone. I don't think it was that. They are just too good for the Bills up front and the line shuffling didn't help matters.
whatdrought Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, dneveu said: They need to get lined up faster is the main thing. Helps recognize coverage, and helps assign the blocking. Millers 3 penalties killed some drives too, since short dumps won't get you anywhere on 3rd and 7+ True. Short dumps don't, but having a check down option for if the line decides to take a play off (or every play in the drive) can be helpful. In a lot of these plays they were running routes that take time to develop. Even the RB was hesitating on the release for the most part and wasn't in the flat until Allen was sucking turf.
Da webster guy Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 I have always thought Ducasse had blackmail pictures of Juan Castillo. Never understood the love that Juan has had for the guy, I can only assume he pushed for Beane to acquire him and feels he has a stake in the guy. Why doesn't Terry pick up a McNally type guy as a consultant for the Oline to help us make sense of all this?
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