Ian Rapoport: "Josh Allen is not quite ready" to start

[Fan in Chicago]

8 hours ago, BigDingus said:

 

If Peterman can play like he has been consistently, he can be successful like Chad Pennington was throughout his career. They're both smart, hard workers, quick learners, can read defenses, have good timing, yet are held back by their size & arm strength. Chad was still the best QB the Jets have had in decades, so if Peterman can perform even remotely similar, we may all be pleasantly surprised while Allen grows into the QB we want him to be

Good post all around.

27 minutes ago, _Underscore_ said:

 

First:  Great post.  It's always nice to see a thoughtfully written argument.

I'm not sure there is a right or wrong call here  -- I guess it' depends on what Josh Allen is made of emotionally.  I'd sit him for at least the first four, but I trust McD's judgement.  I guess we'll see.

 

Yours too, welcome to the board.

As for the OL, the first few games will allow us to see if the line gels or becomes jello. Even with limited game experience, opposing defenses wont attempt to blitz the QB on every down as they will for JA. Start Peterman, limit what is asked of him and keep him away from having to throw outs. Defense is another concern as they will have to bear the load of keeping us in the game while this entire OL and QB situation shakes out. 

[Mister Defense]

Come on! To all of those saying or implying that the only reason Allen did not look good was because of the team around him..

 

Watch again--he looked like a rookie quarterback,  and while the bad play around him was part, his bad play was part of the reason the team looked so bad.

 

Shoot, Josh Allen may never be a high caliber starting quarterback, although he very well may.

 

If Allen had the kind of camp and preseason games that Peterman has had, so many would be ecstatic, talking not only about the possibilities this year, but for the decade to come.  We should embrace the quality of play of Peterman, as it gives us hope both short and long term.  He looks like a pro bowl quarterback, at least in preseason--and that is what we have to go with now.  How many times in the last few years have we seen the unexpected quarterback become the unexpected star quarterback?

 

Why not Peterman?

Edited August 28, 2018 by Mister Defense

[BB@Shooter]

6 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This is just people trying to be right.

 

Week One of Preseason it was McCarron's job because he the steady veteran. He could execute the offense. And the Coaches agreed with that in their actions. McCarron got first team reps until he was injured. Peterman had not stood out in Training Camp, but he put up a high completion percentage in the Carolina game. Allen played to his Scouting Report, some flashes, some inaccurate throws.  

 

Week Two of Preseason, McCarron stunk up the joint (under heavy pressure) and Allen came in and "looked good". So then the narrative shifted to well we might as well start Allen and get the show on the road. Peterman got third string snaps, nobody was pushing for him. 

 

Week Three of Preseason, Allen looks terrible (under heavy pressure) and Peterman again moves the offense against the subs, and so now the narrative according to Bills fans is Peterman gives us the best chance to win. 

 

I think this is Bills fans reacting week to week. Swerving all over the road. Now we see threads that say Peterman was the plan the entire time. No he wasn't. Coaches gave Allen the first crack at first teams reps this week. He has outlasted McCarron (injured) and has the last best performance in a preseason game over Allen and so now Bills fans rush to Peterman is the answer. 

 

We don't want to "ruin" Allen. 

 

Peterman has played <2  real games and has 6 interceptions (5 in LA and immediately in the Jacksonville game).  

 

So my hunch is Peterman gets the start, like most fans want, and when this thing becomes a pop-gun offense after 3 weeks, the calls will start coming for Allen. Like sitting for 3 weeks was the ultimate learning difference. 

   

Great post. 

[Ittakestime]

This was McCarron's job since March.  The injury may have put Peterman to start the year, but McCarron will take over pretty quick.

 

Allen is so far away.  It will be interesting to see if even next year he is ready.  A lot of maturing needs to happen with Allen.

[Fred Clause]

6 hours ago, thenorthremembers said:

Allen had a bad game on Sunday.  The O-Line was horrendous at times, but 2-3 of those sacks wouldn't have been issues if he got the ball out faster.   Problem is you dont have the coaches tape, so I have no clue if the routes were open on those plays.  The entire offense was bad, but it doesn't remove the blame from Allen.   If thats McCarron, Tyrod, or even Peterman in the same scenario we let them share the blame.  Allen didnt play well. 

 

I have never been a big "sit and learn" fan, I dont know what sitting on your butt trying to look through the eyes of someone else really does for someone.   Yes you can see what they did in certain scenarios, but unless you're out there how can you really know.  

 

If Allen isn't ready to start, is he all the sudden ready if someone goes down?   Does he learn a thing being the number 3?  And if he is the number 2 why pay McCarron 5 million dollars this year to be your emergency QB?

 

I have faith in McDermott, but I really hope he has a plan here.  You cant spend the year going back and forth between Quarterbacks.  Once Allen is in, he needs to stay in until its obvious he is or isnt the answer.  Until then they need to draft a quarterback in some mid round every year until they know they have someone who is ready.  If not they will be out of a job quickly. 

The review of the plays showed only one was his fault, possibly two, but the review did not show if any receivers were open. Many plays he had under 2 Seconds before contact . The longest play he had, he hit butter fingers Benjamin in the hands and he dropped it. So that’s pretty much a false narrative. The play calling was atrocious for the pressure, but maybe they don’t want to start him so they let him suffer and make it look like he’s not ready. If they really wanted to see what he could do they would have implemented plays that slowed down or avoided the pressure.

2 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

This was McCarron's job since March.  The injury may have put Peterman to start the year, but McCarron will take over pretty quick.

 

Allen is so far away.  It will be interesting to see if even next year he is ready.  A lot of maturing needs to happen with Allen.

Very poor assessment. Lazy at best...

[Ittakestime]

2 minutes ago, Fred Clause said:

The review of the plays showed only one was his fault, possibly two, but the review did not show if any receivers were open. Many plays he had under 2 Seconds before contact . The longest play he had, he hit butter fingers Benjamin in the hands and he dropped it. So that’s pretty much a false narrative. The play calling was atrocious for the pressure, but maybe they don’t want to start him so they let him suffer and make it look like he’s not ready. If they really wanted to see what he could do they would have implemented plays that slowed down or avoided the pressure.

Very poor assessment. Lazy at best...

 

Not poor at all.  Open your eyes.  This isn't some hidden crap.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

12 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

This was McCarron's job since March.  The injury may have put Peterman to start the year, but McCarron will take over pretty quick.

 

Allen is so far away.  It will be interesting to see if even next year he is ready.  A lot of maturing needs to happen with Allen.

 

Fans are going to get really sick of dumping off for 4 yards on 3rd-9 with McCarron. 

 

And Peterman could self destruct at any time with interceptions. He's thrown 6 in less than 2 full games of action. 

 

Do fans really have faith that once the real games start Peterman will be good enough in 2018 to keep Allen on the bench because he has played well in 3 preseason games? Maybe, but if this team is 2-5 or 3-8 then calls for Allen are going to be loud. 

 

Allen is not going to sit for 2 years. Not with the investment it took to get him (Cordy Glenn, #12, #53 and #56). 

[Fred Clause]

8 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

 

Not poor at all.  Open your eyes.  This isn't some hidden crap.

Open your mind, if you think Peterman would have done any better, we saw what happened to AJ. Only one of his throws came from a clean pocket, he rarely had more than 1.5 Seconds before the pressure was in his face, had contact in under 1.3 Seconds on one play. Tell me again how you were able to judge a performance under those conditions. Yes lazy and pathetic assessment , worthless, baseless crap.... 

[DC Tom]

I think Allen's more ready to start than this offensive line is.

1 minute ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And Peterman could self destruct at any time with interceptions. He's thrown 6 in less than 2 full games of action. 

 

He could average out to 50-60 over the course of a season.

 

That would almost be worth watching. 

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

This.  The OL was terrible but Allen was, as one lineman put it, "shook" from the jump.  Understandably so - but it won't help him to start right away, especially given the brutal schedule.  He'll take a beating and they'll be losing games.  Better for him to sit and get ready to come in and help them finish the season strong, which will build more confidence heading into 2019.  Sorry, that's just the reality of it.

 

he looked really nervous in the tunnel before the game.

[Ittakestime]

15 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

Fans are going to get really sick of dumping off for 4 yards on 3rd-9 with McCarron. 

 

And Peterman could self destruct at any time with interceptions. He's thrown 6 in less than 2 full games of action. 

 

Do fans really have faith that once the real games start Peterman will be good enough in 2018 to keep Allen on the bench because he has played well in 3 preseason games? Maybe, but if this team is 2-5 or 3-8 then calls for Allen are going to be loud. 

 

Allen is not going to sit for 2 years. Not with the investment it took to get him (Cordy Glenn, #12, #53 and #56). 

 

Allen is not good right now.  He looks completely lost out there.  He does nothing presnap and is a one read trick pony.  Tons of panic in his game.

 

I have way more confidence in McCarron or Peterman than I do Allen.

17 minutes ago, Fred Clause said:

Open your mind, if you think Peterman would have done any better, we saw what happened to AJ. Only one of his throws came from a clean pocket, he rarely had more than 1.5 Seconds before the pressure was in his face, had contact in under 1.3 Seconds on one play. Tell me again how you were able to judge a performance under those conditions. Yes lazy and pathetic assessment , worthless, baseless crap.... 

 

Peterman gets the ball out quick and throws with anticipation.

 

Much like we seen teams to do us when we had a great pass rush, the ball gets out quick and eliminates our good pass rush.

 

We need to stop acting like the sacks were all on the o line. 

[DuckyBoys]

9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

This.  The OL was terrible but Allen was, as one lineman put it, "shook" from the jump.  Understandably so - but it won't help him to start right away, especially given the brutal schedule.  He'll take a beating and they'll be losing games.  Better for him to sit and get ready to come in and help them finish the season strong, which will build more confidence heading into 2019.  Sorry, that's just the reality of it.

That's laughable that Allen took the blame for the O line and Marshall Newhouse goes out and throw him under the bus  Anybody was shook it was the center of the O line where they got walked right back repeatedly

[reddogblitz]

8 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Allen isn't ready. Peterman nearly threw a pick 6 for the second game in a row when trying to make a throw to the outside, AJ is banged up and the offensive line stinks when asked to pass block. 

 

my advice to Coach Daboll if Nasty Nate does indeed get in in a real game, remove ALL sideline passes from the play book.

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

my advice to Coach Daboll if Nasty Nate does indeed get in in a real game, remove ALL sideline passes from the play book.

 

No NFL offense should be hamstrung that way. 

[reddogblitz]

50 minutes ago, Ittakestime said:

This was McCarron's job since March.  The injury may have put Peterman to start the year, but McCarron will take over pretty quick.

 

I'm not convinced AJ won't be starting vs Ravens despite being ostracized on TBD. While TBDers give up on a guy due to injury, most coaches do not. Coach McDermott does not.  He realizes injuries are part of the game and happen to everyone.  "When AJ comes back, we'll pick up where we left off."

39 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Fans are going to get really sick of dumping off for 4 yards on 3rd-9 with McCarron. 

 

How exactly do you know this?

 

A 7.2 career ypa in real games would seem to indicAte otherwise.

 

[Like A Mofo]

I still say the odds of Josh Allen busting are better then where we want him to be: Find out sooner then later so we can move on faster if we have to

[Fan in Chicago]

1 hour ago, Ittakestime said:

This was McCarron's job since March.  The injury may have put Peterman to start the year, but McCarron will take over pretty quick.

 

Allen is so far away.  It will be interesting to see if even next year he is ready.  A lot of maturing needs to happen with Allen.

Honest question - what have you seen this pre-season to convince you that AJM is the best option ?

[Beast]

Did Coach Rapoport name the starter?

Edited August 28, 2018 by Binghamton Beast

[Trogdor]

This is a tinfoil hat thread for sure. Lots of conspiracy theories revolving around the Bills Front Office purposely screwing over Allen. The same FO that traded up to get him lol.

[Laughing Coffin]

Unless the Bills are drafting 1 overall, I suspect the Bills going OT in the 1st round and OG/C in the 2nd.

 

If the Bills are drafting 1 overall, with the needs of our team it's hard to not go BPA and that's most likely Ed Oliver DT from Houston, but If a QB emerges I'd deal the 1st overall pick and acquire more picks in 2019 and the future, because we need to overhaul our OL immediately.