Who wants to try and win this year, and who wants to see development?

[danc]

I'm off the opinion that JA isn't quite ready to start. I do think he can still learn by watching a defense that is using their full play book.  MC and maybe even the QB coach should be right next to him explaining each defensive look and how they might be trying to disguise the defense.  They can explain each presnap formation and what they are trying to do.  I think he can learn this way a little easier than being under center.  He can tell them what he sees and they can tell him if he is right or wrong.  I think this might benefit him for the first few games of the season.  Then if NP faulters and JA is reading defenses well from the sideline he can earn starts.

 

I know some will disagree, but I think he can stand to learn a llittle more by watching rather than learning while he gets smacked around.

[Mr. WEO]

10 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:

i am not sure anyone has , i suppose then.

 

 

 

Josh Allen would disagree with you there.

[_Underscore_]

If I could only pick one, I think I would prefer ending the year knowing that we are out of quarterback purgatory to a 2018 that looks like last year.

 

Don't get me wrong, ending the drought was great and there were some good moments.  For me, watching most of the games last year was a bit like watching a fighter climb into the ring with the plan of bobbing and weaving for ten rounds and hoping he throws enough powerless jabs to out-point the opponent.  Ugg -- painful.  "He who shall not be named" throwing for 180 yards and hoping somebody on the defense can stymie the opponent as they drive down the field in the waning seconds.  Still, it was a "winning" season.

 

A team that has a good passing game has at least a "puncher's chance" in ANY game.

 

This management has made a lot of bold choices with high upside -- JA being the primary one, and the pieces for the rebuild are only half in place (IMHO).  When/if the White/Allen/Edmunds/Phillips/et.al. crew  matures, and they add to it with next year's class (some blue-chip OL help for example) and sprinkle in a select free agent or two, we could have something special.  However, having an answer at the QB position is disproportionately important to the long term success of the team.  We have a great candidate, and I'm brimming with optimism.  I want to see development.

 

Just for me -- I'd rather know we are off the QB merry-go-round for the next decade -- even at the expense of 2018.

[Boatdrinks]

Can’t there be development and trying to win ? Coaches and players try to win every game. It’s in their DNA. 

[Fadingpain]

14 hours ago, danc said:

I'm off the opinion that JA isn't quite ready to start. I do think he can still learn by watching a defense that is using their full play book.  MC and maybe even the QB coach should be right next to him explaining each defensive look and how they might be trying to disguise the defense.  They can explain each presnap formation and what they are trying to do.  I think he can learn this way a little easier than being under center.  He can tell them what he sees and they can tell him if he is right or wrong.  I think this might benefit him for the first few games of the season.  Then if NP faulters and JA is reading defenses well from the sideline he can earn starts.

 

I know some will disagree, but I think he can stand to learn a llittle more by watching rather than learning while he gets smacked around.

I think it is highly unlikely that a QB can improve by watching.  He will learn by doing.

 

There is one caveat to this: I do think a certain individual could be overwhelmed by the entire process, and literally need more practice time just to get the basics under his belt.  Calling plays, being familiar with the playbook, controlling the huddle, etc.  I do think time, practice, and watching could help calm a player like that down and make him improve in those aspects of the game.

 

However, Allen does not appear to suffer in these areas!  He seems very poised and calm, he has had control of the huddle, and he has even shown a feel for the clock and game conditions while playing.  He's not the type who will benefit by sitting.

 

The areas where he needs improvement will only come from playing in real games.  He needs to deal with real pressure, real defenses, and develop habits for reading those defenses and going through his progressions, while focusing on his footwork, to deliver the ball accurately.

 

That is a repetitive exercise type of activity and you don't engage in it by watching.

 

It's like saying you will learn to run 6 minute miles for that upcoming marathon by reading extensively on the topic of long distance running. bull ****.  You will learn to run 6 minute miles by running 6 minute miles, or trying to at least.  And nothing else.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

I recall Jordan Palmer stating that all QBs would benefit by not playing their rookie year. I believe it was at the USC pro day. Anyway, he’s likely not talking so much about improvement that you’d get playing in games. Rather, being better prepared to perform when they do get their first game action. 

[Fadingpain]

11 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

I recall Jordan Palmer stating that all QBs would benefit by not playing their rookie year. I believe it was at the USC pro day. Anyway, he’s likely not talking so much about improvement that you’d get playing in games. Rather, being better prepared to perform when they do get their first game action. 

That's more to what I speaking about in the post above.  I.E., for a guy who is a bit rattled, going through the process longer without actually playing could be very useful.  "Rattled" may be too strong a term, but if a guy is a bit overwhelmed, just going through preparations during the week, suiting up on game day, experiencing a huge crowd, the whole thing...the more you get used to that, the better you'll be.

 

But Allen seems to have adjusted well that aspect of the game already.  He's a step beyond that now.  He needs playing time.

 

That's my theory at least.

 

 

[Boatdrinks]

Just now, Fadingpain said:

That's more to what I speaking about in the post above.  I.E., for a guy who is a bit rattled, going through the process longer without actually playing could be very useful.  "Rattled" may be too strong a term, but if a guy is a bit overwhelmed, just going through preparations during the week, suiting up on game day, experiencing a huge crowd, the whole thing...the more you get used to that, the better you'll be.

 

But Allen seems to have adjusted well that aspect of the game already.  He's a step beyond that now.  He needs playing time.

 

That's my theory at least.

 

 

Understandable take. I believe if the OL looked solid, Allen would have had his moments vs CIN and would likely be starting opening day over what else they have at QB. 

[Dadonkadonk]

1. Start Allen

2. Trade for Mack

3. Trade AJ for a C/G

4. Cut DeMarco and Ducasse

5. Keep an extra TE and WR

6. Run New England quick passing game

7. Hughes/Mack split time at OLB/DE and put Lorax on special teams

8. Keep 4 RB and have TE or Murphy act as FB when needed

9. Cut bait on PED Murphy

 

Win now and win more in the future 

Edited August 30, 2018 by Dadonkadonk

[3rdand12]

10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

Josh Allen would disagree with you there.

I might hope so actually : )

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

4 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Can’t there be development and trying to win ? Coaches and players try to win every game. It’s in their DNA. 

 

...OF COURSE......that is their damn mantra......but the irrational exuberance gang wants an expects instantaneous results.....good luck with that nonsense....ain't happenin'...

[_Underscore_]

7 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

the irrational exuberance gang wants an expects instantaneous results

 

True, but you know what?  I don't agree with them exactly (I'd sit JA for a month or so to develop), but I can dig the "irrational exuberance gang", and prefer it to the "we're doomed cadre".  This board is a lot nicer place lately with a little optimism.  Arguments between "he's ready now" and "he'll be ready soon" are a breath of fresh air after the last few years!

[MJS]

Both please.

[Steptide]

I went back and watched all of Josh Allen's throws vs all of Peterman's throws. At this point I'm not even considering McCarron as the starter. 

 

Anyway, I will be SHOCKED if Peterman isn't the starter. Watching the throws over and over, it's very apparent that Peterman is just so far ahead of Allen at this point. I'd even go as far as to say that throw to Benjamin on the sideline against Carolina was/is much more impressive than Allen's td against the Browns. I wish there was a way I could post video of all Allen and Peterman's throws. 

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...OF COURSE......that is their damn mantra......but the irrational exuberance gang wants an expects instantaneous results.....good luck with that nonsense....ain't happenin'...

 

It worked last year.

[Dadonkadonk]

7 hours ago, Steptide said:

I went back and watched all of Josh Allen's throws vs all of Peterman's throws. At this point I'm not even considering McCarron as the starter. 

 

Anyway, I will be SHOCKED if Peterman isn't the starter. Watching the throws over and over, it's very apparent that Peterman is just so far ahead of Allen at this point. I'd even go as far as to say that throw to Benjamin on the sideline against Carolina was/is much more impressive than Allen's td against the Browns. I wish there was a way I could post video of all Allen and Peterman's throws. 

You must have missed the dropped pick six.  Peterman is Trent Edwards with a worse arm.  It really is sad. He probably knows what to do but simply doesn’t have the talent.  Best case is he is a six year back up.

[GreggTX]

We will have a top 5 pick in the next draft, so we might as well hope for development.