Buffalo03 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 I seriously think the olineman we have just aren't giving enough effort because it's preseason. People were saying the same thing last year and lots have been saying it year after year bur then when we got to the regular season it's nowhere near as bad as it looks. I think people are more overreacting than anything. Charles Clay has been a good tight end for us and today he drops a couple passes and people are talking about how horrible he is. Other people saying "this D is terrible". It's the same damn defense as last year give or take a few new bodies. Someone actually posted something earlier about how bad Brandon Beane is because he's given away a lot of our talent. Now granted, he has pretty much neglected the oline but calm down. Every year we hear " it's gonna be a ling season behind this oline" and every year it's not as bad as it looked in the preseason. Let's just see what happens when the season starts first
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Cool so replace trash with more trash. Smart idea If they play better, why not? Why the attitude?
JoPar_v2 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, GreggTX said: If they play better, why not? Why the attitude? Again who are these hypothetical backup O linemsn who are going to “play better”? No attitude man you decided to start a thread and don’t want to discuss it? Can’t back up your random brain fart?
thurst44 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, BigDingus said: The board has been filled with those people. After losing Glenn, Incognito, and Woods, you'd think people would automatically realize that we were going to regress significantly... But no, countless excuses & willfully ignorant posts always counter any discussion of the O-line issue, as people have convinced themselves that Josh Allen is just so good, the O-line won't even matter. As amazing as it was to break the playoff drought last season, most of the board members get pissy if you even suggest that we're not going to repeat this year, or mentioning that Josh Allen hasn't suddenly overcome the huge issues he's had his entire playing career in a handful of preseason games against backups & one month of camp.... You can't WISH the Bills into success, no matter how much you want. And just because you want to see the shiny new 1st round QB so bad, that's no reason to rush him out there to get destroyed. The Bills do not have a very good track record of developing QB's, nor do the fans have a good track record of supporting these guys for long. We send them into the meat grinder, spit em out the other side, call it a day & move on to the next one. Let's not risk ruining a potentially good thing with Allen unless we absolutely NEED him to play. Let's see how they do in a real game. Also, last week Allen DID look good behind a disastrous line. My argument has been that we don't really know what we have, but at this point it's becoming clearer. By the way, why do people always accentuate the loss by adding Glenn, who did not play the majority of last year, while Dawkins played well in his rookie season. Dawkins had a rough game last week and did not play this week. The Bills o-line did not look great last pre-season either, so who knows. I'm not overly hopeful, but it's pre-season. Allen seems like someone who might actually benefit from the adversity. I could be wrong. I downright hated the pick at first. In any case, he didn't win the battle outright, so I can see an argument for each of the three, and hope the line gets it together (or they find a unit one way or another that works). Not sure what they can do about it now, but the future still looks bright despite a really sucky outing. This year...well, who knows? Who would have guessed they would go 4-2 with only losses coming to the Patriots after that historically bad 3-game stretch? Teams can turn it around quickly.
Perry Turtle Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 There's no calvary coming to help the Oline. Time to improve the line was months ago; that time has passed. There's no talented Olineman being put on the block like Mack. The players have to improve, and the coaches have to adjust the scheme to make up for lack of talent. And if Mack is available, grab him up, because the Dline looks as bad as the Oline. 4
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: I seriously think the olineman we have just aren't giving enough effort because it's preseason. People were saying the same thing last year and lots have been saying it year after year bur then when we got to the regular season it's nowhere near as bad as it looks. I think people are more overreacting than anything. Charles Clay has been a good tight end for us and today he drops a couple passes and people are talking about how horrible he is. Other people saying "this D is terrible". It's the same damn defense as last year give or take a few new bodies. Someone actually posted something earlier about how bad Brandon Beane is because he's given away a lot of our talent. Now granted, he has pretty much neglected the oline but calm down. Every year we hear " it's gonna be a ling season behind this oline" and every year it's not as bad as it looked in the preseason. Let's just see what happens when the season starts first Many teams have bad OL's now. The difference is that our OL struggled last year too. Then we lost 3 starters with several probowls between them and did nothing to upgrade those vacated spots. This isn't the same as "every year" by a longshot. I liken this to the year Brandon was GM and dismantled the OL and Trent, who'd played well up to that point, got his brains scrambled. I don't think this is going to be OK. Edited August 27, 2018 by GreggTX 2 1
JoPar_v2 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Many teams have bad OL's now. The difference is that our OL struggled last year too. Then we lost 3 starters with several probowls between them and did nothing to upgrade those vacated spots. This isn't the same as "every year" by a longshot. I liken this to the year Brandon was GM and dismantled the OL and Trent, who'd played well up to that point, got his brains scrambled. I don't think this is going to be OK. Pff haha. Wasn’t trent edwards’ brains scrambled by adrian wilson on a safety blitz? Great comparison. You’re talking about the O line and bring up a hit that was most likely the RB’s responsibility to pick up the blitzing safety. Christ.
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 24 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Nah not really. No team is going to trade a starting caliber lineman on the eve of the regular season. So why did you start this thread and ask if you already know the answer? I gave an opinion. Then I asked others to share theirs. Standard operating procedure.
ColoradoBills Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: There's no calvary coming to help the Oline. Time to improve the line was months ago; that time has passed. There's no talented Olineman being put on the block like Mack. The players have to improve, and the coaches have to adjust the scheme to make up for lack of talent. And if Mack is available, grab him up, because the Dline looks as bad as the Oline. You're right about the cavalry. As to the "scheme" thing that seems to be the flavor of the week to improve the OL production, that's easier said than done. The guys in the other uniforms have coaches who will be "salivating" game planning against this OL. Teams can scheme to protect a player who lacks experience/talent but this OL has a lot of weak links. Even Dawkins will have challenges now that there is tape on him.
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Pff haha. Wasn’t trent edwards’ brains scrambled by adrian wilson on a safety blitz? Great comparison. You’re talking about the O line and bring up a hit that was most likely the RB’s responsibility to pick up the blitzing safety. Christ. Calm down lol. Your arguments would be much more effective if you left the personal remarks out. 1
Boatdrinks Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, GreggTX said: Many teams have bad OL's now. The difference is that our OL struggled last year too. Then we lost 3 starters with several probowls between them and did nothing to upgrade those vacated spots. This isn't the same as "every year" by a longshot. I liken this to the year Brandon was GM and dismantled the OL and Trent, who'd played well up to that point, got his brains scrambled. I don't think this is going to be OK. That OL was returned largely intact from the previous ( 2007) lineup. Including Jason Peters.
Ol Dirty B Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Most teams don't carry spare OL talent. A team that has a rookie OLman who has come along faster than expected, is still not likely to want to trade off the vet he's replacing (and if the vet is so good, why is he being replaced?) until the rookie is proven in regular-season games. I mean except for this team apparently. They won't be fixing the Oline in a week it just doesn't work. These guys so many of you adore, are far from perfect. The line is a mess and the blame falls squarely on those two. I can't even hate on Castillo at this point. It's awful what he's working with. Edit- just wanted to be clear, I didn't mean you specifically when I said so many of you adore. I just see a lot of blind faith in this fan base right now Edited August 27, 2018 by Ol Dirty B
GreggTX Posted August 27, 2018 Author Posted August 27, 2018 23 minutes ago, JoPar_v2 said: Again who are these hypothetical backup O linemsn who are going to “play better”? No attitude man you decided to start a thread and don’t want to discuss it? Can’t back up your random brain fart? Right. I don't want to discuss it. That's why I'm discussing it so much.
JoPar_v2 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, GreggTX said: Right. I don't want to discuss it. That's why I'm discussing it so much. Cool so how bout you throw out a name? A trade target? And what he would cost. All i am hearing is generalities out of you.
ColoradoBills Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, GreggTX said: I gave an opinion. Then I asked others to share theirs. Standard operating procedure. It's a good question/thread GreggTX. Don't let other make you bite. Bottom line is yes, some things could be done. Bills got some money left and they could recapture a little more by releasing a guy like Miller/Vlad. They could restructure a guy like Hyde and free up a little more $'s, although I'm not big on "restructuring". One thing to consider is that even though Bills may want to pick up a guy or two remember there is always other teams looking to make a move to shore up their lines too. Bad thing is that OL works as a unit and it takes a little time for even a vet to settle in. 1
reddogblitz Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: I'm starting to wonder if our backups are better. Me too. In all 3 pre season games, the starting QB has been mortalized. Second guy in seems to get better protection.
BisonMan Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Serious question: Is our O-Line terrible mostly because they are (1) physically overmatched or(2) technically challenged (don’t know basic skills) or are (3) making mental mistakes? If it’s number 1, I’d say the only solution is new blood...which is highly unlikely for this season. If it’s number 2, we’ve had the same O-Line coach for 2 years and he still doesn’t have basic techniques down? Fire him! If it’s number 3, there is an overall problem with the coaching staff that goes beyond the O-line coach and likely carries across multiple position groups. If that’s it, it’s on McD. I think it’s mostly (1) at this point and that is causing the other issues (2) and (3) because guys are overmatched and getting ahead of themselves and not using good technique and making mental errors. A lot of the sacks I saw from the last couple of games looked like mental errors by various players failing to pick up their proper assignments. In particular, the backs (mostly Murphy) missed unblocked players. Shady and Ivory would fix that just by playing more. EdW
davefan66 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Not sure the line is as bad as they loooked. I know we lost Woods and Incognito. Don’t count Glenn as he was out most of last year. There were some jailbreaks on Allen, but he also held the ball a bit. Also, not sure how much game planning the team did. Would they have played better without generic blocking schemes? lastly, Castillo has a track record of being a poor o-line coach, so there’s room for an upgrade there.
Fadingpain Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 3 hours ago, BigDingus said: The board has been filled with those people. After losing Glenn, Incognito, and Woods, you'd think people would automatically realize that we were going to regress significantly... But no, countless excuses & willfully ignorant posts always counter any discussion of the O-line issue, as people have convinced themselves that Josh Allen is just so good, the O-line won't even matter. As amazing as it was to break the playoff drought last season, most of the board members get pissy if you even suggest that we're not going to repeat this year, or mentioning that Josh Allen hasn't suddenly overcome the huge issues he's had his entire playing career in a handful of preseason games against backups & one month of camp.... You can't WISH the Bills into success, no matter how much you want. And just because you want to see the shiny new 1st round QB so bad, that's no reason to rush him out there to get destroyed. The Bills do not have a very good track record of developing QB's, nor do the fans have a good track record of supporting these guys for long. We send them into the meat grinder, spit em out the other side, call it a day & move on to the next one. Let's not risk ruining a potentially good thing with Allen unless we absolutely NEED him to play. Agree with everything you are writing here, except the bit at the end about "ruining" Allen if played too early. IMO that is a myth and it doesn't actually happen. He learns by playing and only by playing. Our future for the next while is tied to his ass, so might as well get him out there and see what he can do.
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