sherpa Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: I know what the passage means. I went through 15 years of biblical indoctrination in a bible fellowship church. My point was that if someone read the entire chapter from which that verse is taken, his meaning becomes pretty evident. Great. The point is that it is used to defend paying taxes, and that isn't what it is about.
Rob's House Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 1 minute ago, The_Dude said: Is that how you judge people? Comparing them to Jesus? Kinda seems like a great way to determine that everybody sucks. I was making fun of the imbeciles who think Jesus preached socialism. I'm not a religious man, but I know that the new testament is about free will and compassion, not force and coercion. And socialism is based entirely on force and coercion.
DC Tom Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, ALF said: Breaking with tradition, White House flags return to full staff after McCain's death https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/27/john-mccain-flags-white-house-full-staff/1108717002/ Trump is a class act all right Lowering the flag is over-done, anyway. But Trump is still an ass. 1
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Just now, sherpa said: Great. The point is that it is used to defend paying taxes, and that isn't what it is about. Well, there's also a deeper meaning to the passage, if you'd followed any of Jesus's other teachings. Another passage that gives me a chuckle when self-professed atheists use it to try and shame Christians is the "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" passage that invariably ignores the "Now go and sin no more" part. 1
DC Tom Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: Great. The point is that it is used to defend paying taxes, and that isn't what it is about. Is there any passage in the Bible that isn't misused these days?
Rob's House Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, sherpa said: Great. The point is that it is used to defend paying taxes, and that isn't what it is about. It actually is about paying taxes. The original quote was "give unto Caesar whatever Caesar says is his, lest you be a racist." They edited it down for publication.
The_Dude Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Rob's House said: I was making fun of the imbeciles who think Jesus preached socialism. I'm not a religious man, but I know that the new testament is about free will and compassion, not force and coercion. And socialism is based entirely on force and coercion. Well then your point is good. 10 minutes ago, sherpa said: Great. The point is that it is used to defend paying taxes, and that isn't what it is about. Do you understand the Roman-Jewish conflict of the time? There’s a lot that goes into it that ain’t in the Bible. It is perhaps one of the funniest/bloodiest failures in diplomacy ever.
sherpa Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, The_Dude said: Well then your point is good. Do you understand the Roman-Jewish conflict of the time? There’s a lot that goes into it that ain’t in the Bible. It is perhaps one of the funniest/bloodiest failures in diplomacy ever. I'm quite familiar. 12 minutes ago, Rob's House said: It actually is about paying taxes. The original quote was "give unto Caesar whatever Caesar says is his, lest you be a racist." They edited it down for publication. And in that context, the thought of the time was that if it had a graven image on it, it belonged to the individual whose graven image was on it. Thus, since it had a graven image of Caesar, it was Caesar's.
Koko78 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, ALF said: Breaking with tradition, White House flags return to full staff after McCain's death https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/27/john-mccain-flags-white-house-full-staff/1108717002/ Trump is a class act all right This is just about as classy as McCain 'disinviting' Trump to the funeral. 23 minutes ago, DC Tom said: Is there any passage in the Bible that isn't misused these days? Austin 3:16?
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 44 minutes ago, ALF said: Breaking with tradition, White House flags return to full staff after McCain's death https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/27/john-mccain-flags-white-house-full-staff/1108717002/ Trump is a class act all right
sherpa Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 Is it possible to acknowledge that we might be dealing with two irritating people here? McCain's history is about as irritating as it gets, and Trump's is re-writing the record books. We don't need to choose one or the other. 1
LSHMEAB Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Rob's House said: I was making fun of the imbeciles who think Jesus preached socialism. I'm not a religious man, but I know that the new testament is about free will and compassion, not force and coercion. And socialism is based entirely on force and coercion. Most on the left don't believe fairly tales have intrinsic value so we rely on the impressionable to properly contextualize them. So thank you. I've read the book. It's good for a few laughs. Definitely decries greed and focuses on the less fortunate. Like I said, hyena like dismissal of ethical standards and darwinian governance effectively sideline religion as a talking point. That's not a bad thing. You should be able to make a point without cloaking yourself in an archaic book.
DC Tom Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 I still can't think of McCain without thinking of the rumored unused 2008 October Surprise story of him sending his wife to the GW Emergency Room. 4 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Most on the left don't believe fairly tales have intrinsic value . What is "gender self-identification" if not a valueless fairy tale.
LSHMEAB Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, DC Tom said: I still can't think of McCain without thinking of the rumored unused 2008 October Surprise story of him sending his wife to the GW Emergency Room. . What is "gender self-identification" if not a valueless fairy tale. Sounds like people doing whatever the hell they want. The kind of thing any good civil libertarian would be cool with. Also sounds like the kind of thing the right would amplify to score cheap political points with those who still hide behind the aforementioned book.
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Most on the left don't believe fairly tales have intrinsic value so we rely on the impressionable to properly contextualize them. So thank you. I've read the book. It's good for a few laughs. Definitely decries greed and focuses on the less fortunate. Like I said, hyena like dismissal of ethical standards and darwinian governance effectively sideline religion as a talking point. That's not a bad thing. You should be able to make a point without cloaking yourself in an archaic book. What are your thoughts on the Jefferson Bible, which works to extract the morality of Jesus, without relying on the divine? Also, the Bible beyond being an accounting of the life of Jesus, even if you choose not to believe in His divinity, it a historical record of the major political events on the time. You don't have to believe Jesus was the Son of God to understand that He was a central and massively important figure to the peoples of that region, and the accounting of the story of His life matters at least in that context. As such, the Bible has intrinsic value towards understanding history. 2
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 30 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: Sounds like people doing whatever the hell they want. The kind of thing any good civil libertarian would be cool with. Also sounds like the kind of thing the right would amplify to score cheap political points with those who still hide behind the aforementioned book. I wonder if you think the Koran's a work of fiction as well...and you'd be willing to relay that message directly to a crowd of Muslims.
LSHMEAB Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, joesixpack said: I wonder if you think the Koran's a work of fiction as well...and you'd be willing to relay that message directly to a crowd of Muslims. The Koran is far worse than the Bible. Much more sinister. But I probably wouldn't relay that message to a "crowd" of Muslims. I don't think I'd get on stage in Riyadh with a stand up routine about Sharia Law and Jihad. They're pretty oppressive over there.
Koko78 Posted August 27, 2018 Posted August 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, LSHMEAB said: The Koran is far worse than the Bible. Much more sinister. But I probably wouldn't relay that message to a "crowd" of Muslims. I don't think I'd get on stage in Riyadh with a stand up routine about Sharia Law and Jihad. They're pretty oppressive over there. Eh, if you're going to get stoned, tortured, beheaded, etc. anyhow, you might as well earn it.
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