Campy Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 which predominant American political philosophy most closely resembles naziism? 278852[/snapback] That's some post. To answer the question buried within all of that, I believe people liken the current administration to nazism in only that individual rights have been eroded and descension is not allowed, lest one be labelled unpatriotic. According to pretty much all history books, that is what happened in Nazi Germany (among other things). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanone Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'm tired of liberal commie scum and their name calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Right about now in America I can't imagine a time where big corporate business and big conservative government have been more or less one and the same than now. 279554[/snapback] Hmm, if I had to guess, it was in the late 19-teens and 20's, right after WWI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 That's some post. To answer the question buried within all of that, I believe people liken the current administration to nazism in only that individual rights have been eroded and descension is not allowed, lest one be labelled unpatriotic. According to pretty much all history books, that is what happened in Nazi Germany (among other things). 279776[/snapback] It is the "other things" that is causing the problem. Invoking the Nazi monikor only reminds people of the horrible gassings and the attempted extermination of a group of people. To start labelling people as Nazi's because you do not like what they are saying is repulsive and immediately shows a lack of intellect on the part of the accuser. You might want it to only mean items related to individual rights, but you and I both know it is meant to sway public opinion based solely on the horrific crimes committed by the Nazi's. On your other point, if you (not you specifically, but the general term "you) want to use your right of free speech to blast something (the president, the government, or whatever), you can't turn around and then complain when others use their same right of free speech to blast you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Hmm, if I had to guess, it was in the late 19-teens and 20's, right after WWI. 279787[/snapback] Actually I had considered that period before I submitted my post but not even that period compares to the blatent obviousness in how symbiotically linked our current government and the conglomerates are. So I left it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 On your other point, if you (not you specifically, but the general term "you) want to use your right of free speech to blast something (the president, the government, or whatever), you can't turn around and then complain when others use their same right of free speech to blast you. 279797[/snapback] Is dissension really the "blasting away" that means a person deserves to be branded as being less patriotic? If memory serves, there was (and occasionaly still is) a generous amount of nastiness on PPP directed at Clinton. Where those posters being un-American? Or is it only acceptable to dissent when a Dem is in the White House? I get the feeling that the vast (and vocal) majority of those on the right prefer that all citizens line up like good little boys and girls and get with the party line. And honestly, is that not one of the means to an end that was used by the nazis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'm tired of liberal commie scum and their name calling. 279786[/snapback] Damn it so am I! Stupid "liberals"! It isn't as if conservatives control anything in this country anyway but still those Kennedy lovers gotta pick on them real Americans! hee-hee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBorn1960 Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Is dissension really the "blasting away" that means a person deserves to be branded as being less patriotic? If memory serves, there was (and occasionaly still is) a generous amount of nastiness on PPP directed at Clinton. Where those posters being un-American? Or is it only acceptable to dissent when a Dem is in the White House? I get the feeling that the vast (and vocal) majority of those on the right prefer that all citizens line up like good little boys and girls and get with the party line. And honestly, is that not one of the means to an end that was used by the nazis? 279834[/snapback] Speaking of party line... and means justifying the end... The nazi's were very good at using propaganda.... kinda of like the Mikey Moore film..F911... he would have been a hit with the fuhrer.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Actually I had considered that period before I submitted my post but not even that period compares to the blatent obviousness in how symbiotically linked our current government and the conglomerates are.So I left it off. 279821[/snapback] And of course conveniently forgot the Tammany Hall period that gave birth to the Democratic Party. Boss Tweed would be so proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Is dissension really the "blasting away" that means a person deserves to be branded as being less patriotic? Free speech is free speech, regardless of its credibility. Just because the recipient does not like to be called unpatriotic and the accuser has no basis for calling them unpatriotic, does not mean that one is allowed to speak (dissenter) while the other is forced to be silenced (the one questioning patriotism). If memory serves, there was (and occasionally still is) a generous amount of nastiness on PPP directed at Clinton. Where those posters being un-American? Nope. Or is it only acceptable to dissent when a Dem is in the White House? You can dissent whenever you want. Just don’t B word about people criticizing you for dissenting. Again, why is one allowed to speak their mind but the other is not? I get the feeling that the vast (and vocal) majority of those on the right prefer that all citizens line up like good little boys and girls and get with the party line. And honestly, is that not one of the means to an end that was used by the nazis? 279834[/snapback] I think you are wrong in your characterizations of the majority of the right, but since neither of us has accurate data on the truth there is no way for either one of us to say that we are correct in our assumptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 That's some post. To answer the question buried within all of that, I believe people liken the current administration to nazism in only that individual rights have been eroded and descension is not allowed, lest one be labelled unpatriotic. According to pretty much all history books, that is what happened in Nazi Germany (among other things). 279776[/snapback] Yes, so please do tell me when the trains pull into the station. thanks, I'd like to flee before they load me on. There's NO governmental suppression of free speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campy Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 There's NO governmental suppression of free speech. 279852[/snapback] That's not entirely accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 19, 2005 Author Share Posted March 19, 2005 I'll try to boil it down for you: Calling conservatives Nazis is a hackneyed slur, advanced by those who apparently know little of the encompassing evil of Hitler's regime. Dropping "Hitler" bombs is typically an ignorant method of gaining shock value in what is otherwise a pedestrian rant. Oddly enough, some people make it the focal point of their on-line existence. 279485[/snapback] exactly my point. nearly every one of my friends here in Austin is liberal, many of them extremely so. I've had the opportunity to discuss this at great lengths over a few rounds at a few of the local beer-joints and have had nearly complete success in making my point. often times, my liberal pals find that we share a lot more with regard to individual liberties and rights than they had previously thought, and that the greatest differences in our personal philosophies are based on idealism in how we would like to see society work. what I've learned is that it's hard to fault somebody for their wanting the world to be better. rose-colored glasses aren't always such a bad thing but you need to know when to take them off for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted March 19, 2005 Author Share Posted March 19, 2005 That's some post. To answer the question buried within all of that, I believe people liken the current administration to nazism in only that individual rights have been eroded and descension is not allowed, lest one be labelled unpatriotic. According to pretty much all history books, that is what happened in Nazi Germany (among other things). 279776[/snapback] I have a problem with certain elements of the Patriot Act. even when it's 'justified', I fear that the feds are always too reluctant to relinquish their power after such intrusion is no longer needed. aside from that, my perception is that it isn't this administration that considers dissentors to be unpatriotic, but their unquestioning supporters. the Patriot act needs to be continually questioned & challenged so that it doesn't become permanent, and I truly believe that the people that fight against it are doing a greater deed than is often credited them......even though I usually find that such folks hold views that oppose my own in general. my implication as to which party more closely resembles national socialism was a poke at the left for their incessant efforts to curb capitalism in the name of such things as fairness and the environment.....thus the appearance of the true essence of national socialism: control of the activities of business and industry by the state. the image of the American conservative as a bible-toting, gun rack in-the-pickup-truck, corporate suck-up is as silly as considering all liberals to be commune-living, anti-capitalist, flag-burning, unpatriotic hippies. the epithet 'nazi' is too often hurled at a conservative because of a pre-concieved belief that they are all good old boys that hate anyone different because they fear losing control of the country......a description that fits a group like the KKK. if liberals feel that they want to win out over conservative beliefs, they first need to understand exactly who they are trying to defeat instead of pigeon-holing them all into a category that suits their arguement. a good rule of thumb is to look at this nation's founders: very strong on individual liberties, property rights, religious freedom, and free enterprise with a limited role of government. if somebody views any or all of the founders in a positive light, then they are in effect supporting a conservative philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chef Jim Posted March 19, 2005 Share Posted March 19, 2005 blatent obviousness in how symbiotically linked our current government and the conglomerates are.So I left it off. 279821[/snapback] Can you explain in detail how our current government and conglomerates are linked? If it's the tax cuts "for the rich" that's pretty weak. Many agree that it was those tax cuts that brought this economy back so quickly. Many people fail to realize how far and how fast the economy sank. The buildup and crash of 2000 was so similar to the crash of 1929 it's scary. By cutting taxes, government spending (yes, government spending) allowed so much money to be pumped back into the economy it was brought back to life pretty quickly compared to the depression that followed '29. Many years from now people will look back on this with amazement. But I'm expecting you'll not be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Can you explain in detail how our current government and conglomerates are linked? If it's the tax cuts "for the rich" that's pretty weak. Many agree that it was those tax cuts that brought this economy back so quickly. Many people fail to realize how far and how fast the economy sank. The buildup and crash of 2000 was so similar to the crash of 1929 it's scary. By cutting taxes, government spending (yes, government spending) allowed so much money to be pumped back into the economy it was brought back to life pretty quickly compared to the depression that followed '29. Many years from now people will look back on this with amazement. But I'm expecting you'll not be one of them. 280931[/snapback] Tacitly. Didn't somebody mention Wal-Mart and Tennessee a while back? What was that all about? Wal-Mart undercutting prices, paying depressed labor costs... Then having the personnel office tell perspective employees where they can get government assistance to "bridge the gap" so to speak. What did it amount to? And extra 4K of tax dollars are spent to keep a Wal-Mart employee working? Geesh! What a convoluted way to beat the system and line your pockets while racing towards the bottom. And I thought I was pretty effed up... Oh, WAIT! Original topic: Wasn't Hitler's fear (Stalin) on his "left"? It must be a "right"-"left" thingy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Tacitly. Didn't somebody mention Wal-Mart and Tennessee a while back? What was that all about? Wal-Mart undercutting prices, paying depressed labor costs... Then having the personnel office tell perspective employees where they can get government assistance to "bridge the gap" so to speak. What did it amount to? And extra 4K of tax dollars are spent to keep a Wal-Mart employee working? Geesh! What a convoluted way to beat the system and line your pockets while racing towards the bottom. And I thought I was pretty effed up... Oh, WAIT! Original topic: Wasn't Hitler's fear (Stalin) on his "left"? It must be a "right"-"left" thingy? 280955[/snapback] Great post EIL. I fully agree with every word about Wal Mart (surprised? . Yeah, fight the unions, use illegal aliens, and let the government pay. Nice if you can get away with it. Btw, guess who was once on the advisory board of Wal Mart? Hint......the initials are HC. Care to comment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Great post EIL. I fully agree with every word about Wal Mart (surprised? . Yeah, fight the unions, use illegal aliens, and let the government pay. Nice if you can get away with it. Btw, guess who was once on the advisory board of Wal Mart? Hint......the initials are HC. Care to comment? 281058[/snapback] The one only "Hill (ary) Bill?" Everybody is bound to crack a few eggs. IMO, still think her intrinsic good out weighs the bad. But Bill, I really am not surprised. I understand you as a good, loving family man... I really respect that. WARNING! WARNING! LAMP BELOW! On the other side of things... What surprises many here is my rather conservative side... Something that they just can't equate with what they think is liberal puke I spew. I am due to post (when I get the gumption) a scathing and rather conservative review how the left in this country have watered down what competition means and how we approach and teach it to our kids... Which leads me to... BTW... My son grabbed 2nd place, last night at his Cub Pack Pinewood Derby with his limo "Python". As his "mechanic" I felt rather "out foxed" by a technicality (which I thought about, yet, didn't think I had the technical skill to manually machine) that the other father-son combo employed and won by half a car length. If the finish line was another foot farther down the track, superior craftmenship whould have won out in the end (since the winner stopped dead on the track and second place took it off the track)! I guess my son is learning what it means to be a Bills fan? I told him after the race he could "fire" me as his mechanic (boy that was a loaded question!) and he said no way! May God bless that angelic little boy! :D Anyway, it is all about being a good sport, having fun, and congratulating the winner! But, hey... Isn't everbody SECOND... Later... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 Oh... Way off base but, my favorite scene in Ten Commandments is happening. Turn to ABC, Moses is just about to return from exile and turn his stave into a cobra! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted March 20, 2005 Share Posted March 20, 2005 The one only "Hill (ary) Bill?" Everybody is bound to crack a few eggs. IMO, still think her intrinsic good out weighs the bad. But Bill, I really am not surprised. I understand you as a good, loving family man... I really respect that. WARNING! WARNING! LAMP BELOW! On the other side of things... What surprises many here is my rather conservative side... Something that they just can't equate with what they think is liberal puke I spew. I am due to post (when I get the gumption) a scathing and rather conservative review how the left in this country have watered down what competition means and how we approach and teach it to our kids... Which leads me to... BTW... My son grabbed 2nd place, last night at his Cub Pack Pinewood Derby with his limo "Python". As his "mechanic" I felt rather "out foxed" by a technicality (which I thought about, yet, didn't think I had the technical skill to manually machine) that the other father-son combo employed and won by half a car length. If the finish line was another foot farther down the track, superior craftmenship whould have won out in the end (since the winner stopped dead on the track and second place took it off the track)! I guess my son is learning what it means to be a Bills fan? I told him after the race he could "fire" me as his mechanic (boy that was a loaded question!) and he said no way! May God bless that angelic little boy! Anyway, it is all about being a good sport, having fun, and congratulating the winner! But, hey... Isn't everbody SECOND... Later... 281081[/snapback] Congrats to your son as a competitor, and to you as a father. When you do your review of the left, please consider including how they have stopped being freedom demanding "McGovernites" and become intolerant, dictatorial, behavioral controlling makers of rules. The pot smoking, acid tripping people who were frolicking nude in the mud at Woodstock are now on campus stifling free speech, and in NYC purporting a smoking ban (in bars), and passing laws against loud air conditioners and bells on ice cream trucks. Deny this at your leisure. I know it to be true. Btw, being a Bills fan, imho, IS something special for children. My daughters view me as a hard core man who will NEVER give up. They have seen me not abandon my beloved Bills, and know that it will never happen. I have bought them Bills shirts and they wear them with pride. The Bills symbolize more than just a football team. They are a cold weather franchise in a depressed economy, yet the fans just wont quit. They have seen me accosted at Disney, local gas stations, and other places by other Bills fans who saw me wearing the logo. They know how special it is. My oldest wears Bills clothes at an Ivy League college. Fellow students, knowing where she is from, are often confused. Truthfully, she knows little about the team, although Big Sam is her favorite because she saw his touchdown dance and was stunned. What she DOES know, is to stand by her beliefs, and to not quit. Her sisters feel the same way. Yeah, being a Bills fan IS something special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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