Azalin Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 why on earth do so many people continue to equate American conservatism with Naziism? over and over.....whenever the name calling starts.....conservatives are accused of being, or at least compared to, nazis. what kind of history books are these people reading? do they actually believe that swill, or is it just tasteless taunting? consider for a moment what the nazis were. the word 'nazi' is an acronym for the now-defunct German party known the 'national socialist german workers party'. the fundamentals of national socialism is supreme power by the state, allowing business and industry to operate only as a 'partner' with the government. business was regulated and controlled by the state.....there was no such thing as 'free enterprise'. American conservatism is 100% different....in fact, conservative monetary policy is such that it fights against most, if not all of, the regulations we have on business here already. which American philosphy most closely reflects the ideals of national socialism? it's not the conservatives. perhaps the term 'nazi' is hurled at conservatives because they stand strongly against entitlements. the accusation is often made that such a belief is detrimental to various minority communities....that things are bad enough in the inner cities as it is, and that cutting back on the availability of such entitlements as welfare is to turn our backs on the needy. the big problem with that whole arguement is that as it's often pointed out by those that support a strong welfare state, there are more white Americans on welfare than any other ethnic/racial group in the nation. that pretty much nukes the accusations of any racial insensitivity against conservatives with regard to entitlements. by contrast, proponents of the welfare state count the success of welfare largely on how many people are able to acquire it and stay on it as a guaranteed entitlement from the state......and they always run into the hoods and barrios to drum up support for their attempts to strengthen entitlements. how much more racist can you get? a conservative measures the success of an entitlement by how many people are able to grow out of the need for such stipends from the state. that doesn't sound too terribly racist to me, so I fail to make a connection between conservatives and nazis on this issue as well. could opponents of American conservatism be referring to our military strength and our willingness to use it? if so, they couldn't be more wrong. nazi Germany was an imperialist state....nobody seems to call them that anymore, but that's exactly what they were. imperialism is when a country invades another and literally absorbs that state into the 'empire'......Austria, Poland, Vichy France, etc. if America was an imperialist nation, besides our 50 states we'd also have, Mexico, Spain, England, Germany, Iraq, Kuwait, and every other nation we've been at war with represented on our flag with their very own star. we don't.....we're not imperialists. no valid nazi comparison there either. looking at it from another angle, the essence of the national socialism philosophy is one where the state itself is the supreme authority. the state dispenses rights to the constituency as well as restrictions. private property and personal privacy are always trumped by the state. what too many people fail to realize is that our constitution and first ten ammendments do not spell out what rights we as Americans are entitled to. what that document enumerates are all the areas that the government SHALL NOT EVER BE ABLE TO INFRINGE UPON. while the constitution doesn't credit a divine entity with the fundamental rights of our citizenry, the Declaration of Independence does: .....the seperate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and Nature's God..... as well as the classic: .....We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, and that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, among these are Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness- That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...... this is the very essence of American conservatism, all wrapped up in the phrase 'from the consent of the governed'. it's important to understand that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are not meant to apply to private property....the state is supposed to have no jurisdiction there as long as no laws are being violated. these guaranteed rights are supposed to apply to public life....a fundamentally liberal philosophy. complete freedom of expression, whether unpopular, tasteless, religious, or whatever, is supposed to be our guaranteed right, uninfringable by federal, state, or local authority. a lot of American conservatives are guilty of attempting to supress such expression (a good example are those that wish to silence people like Ward Churchill or Howard Stern), but an equal amount of liberals are just as guilty (like with no public displays of religion and trumping private property rights in order to preserve an endangered moth). one side is at least as bad as the other in this regard, so can anyone claim to be less nazi-esque in their desire to impose upon the rest of the population? both examples look fairly equal in that regard from where I sit. which predominant American political philosophy most closely resembles naziism? well, which party/ideal more often looks to Washington and/or government for support, providence, laws, and standards? aside from a handful of people who are strict moralists with regard to public displays of indecency, it's not the conservatives. such comparisons are laughable and are a sign of a very tiny mind. 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KRC Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Damn, it is good to have you back!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VABills Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Good reading. Are you the FFS of PPP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Breath of fresh air. I'd love to see Debbie refute that one, seeing as she's the nazi-caller-in-chief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Like A Mofo Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Damn that is one hell of a post!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Put me to sleep. Beyond calling liberals nazis was the point: conservatives good, liberals bad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTS Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Bravo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Put me to sleep. Beyond calling liberals nazis was the point: conservatives good, liberals bad? 279329[/snapback] Very long winded indeed. I found it pretty ironic how the point he was trying to get across is that conservatives have feelings too ("prick us do we not bleed"?) so their wounded reactions to "Nazi" comparisons are only natural. Then he procedes to pound out what basically amounts to a manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I found it pretty ironic how the point he was trying to get across is that conservatives have feelings too ("prick us do we not bleed"?) so their wounded reactions to "Nazi" comparisons are only natural. I'll try to boil it down for you: Calling conservatives Nazis is a hackneyed slur, advanced by those who apparently know little of the encompassing evil of Hitler's regime. Dropping "Hitler" bombs is typically an ignorant method of gaining shock value in what is otherwise a pedestrian rant. Oddly enough, some people make it the focal point of their on-line existence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaska Darin Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'll try to boil it down for you:Dropping "Hitler" bombs is typically an ignorant method of gaining shock value in what is otherwise a pedestrian rant. Oddly enough, some people make it the focal point of their on-line existence. 279485[/snapback] You mean like calling a 5 paragraph post a "manifesto" as BH did? C'mon lefties, tell us again how PPP has degraded when you're bringing so very much to the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 C'mon lefties, tell us again how PPP has degraded when you're bringing so very much to the table. 279506[/snapback] How can they, with the "right-wing circle-jerk" that is going on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'll try to boil it down for you: Calling conservatives Nazis is a hackneyed slur, advanced by those who apparently know little of the encompassing evil of Hitler's regime. Dropping "Hitler" bombs is typically an ignorant method of gaining shock value in what is otherwise a pedestrian rant. Oddly enough, some people make it the focal point of their on-line existence. 279485[/snapback] Hey this new sanctimoniously pious persecution complex by the Right is all well and good. No problem. Just don't post something that resembles the marching points of the RNC almost to a T. He lost credibility after oh about the first paragraph, making the trite observation that in Germany circa 1940 business and government were one and the same, autonomous of each other but somehow linked as some sort of two headed monster while defending conservative economic policy. Right about now in America I can't imagine a time where big corporate business and big conservative government have been more or less one and the same than now. Than he really got going on his screed, providing nothing really very enlightning but proving that he might have a hell of a future as a possible media flack/paid journalist hack for the RNC ala Gannon, Williams, Novak et al. Hey, if the pay's good enough I'd even look into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terry Tate Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Hey this new sanctimoniously pious persecution complex by the Right is all well and good. No problem. I'm unclear if you just don't like his writing style, or if you are defending a position of 'conservative=Nazi'. I don't think pointing out ignorance equates to a 'sanctimoniously pious persecution complex', so if you would be so kind to make clear your position on 'conservative=Nazi' or 'Bush=Hitler', I would much appreciate it, as it would potentially save me the trouble of reading or responding to any of your posts in the future. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Right about now in America I can't imagine a time where big corporate business and big conservative government have been more or less one and the same than now. 279554[/snapback] The DNC appreciates your unbending support, as well. Bad corporation. Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'll try to boil it down for you: Calling conservatives Nazis is a hackneyed slur, advanced by those who apparently know little of the encompassing evil of Hitler's regime. Dropping "Hitler" bombs is typically an ignorant method of gaining shock value in what is otherwise a pedestrian rant. Oddly enough, some people make it the focal point of their on-line existence. 279485[/snapback] Bear in mind that you are replying to someone who started his last thread with: _____ Yup, it's that time already: the second year anniversary of our mid-East excursion dubbed Operation: eat hot lead suckers. _____ I would venture to guess that he doesn't have much more in his repertoire other than hackneyed slurs and ignorant 'shock value' language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRC Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Bear in mind that you are replying to someone who started his last thread with: _____ Yup, it's that time already: the second year anniversary of our mid-East excursion dubbed Operation: eat hot lead suckers. _____ I would venture to guess that he doesn't have much more in his repertoire other than hackneyed slurs and ignorant 'shock value' language. 279750[/snapback] Typical MoveOn.org whacko. Blindly believe what you are spoon fed and if anyone questions your "facts," call all Republicans Nazi's. Not much credibility there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfanone Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Anyone got the Cliffs Notes to the opening post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 I'm unclear if you just don't like his writing style, or if you are defending a position of 'conservative=Nazi'. I don't think pointing out ignorance equates to a 'sanctimoniously pious persecution complex', so if you would be so kind to make clear your position on 'conservative=Nazi' or 'Bush=Hitler', I would much appreciate it, as it would potentially save me the trouble of reading or responding to any of your posts in the future. Thanks in advance. 279730[/snapback] I'm just in the dark as to why all this "Nazi" talk on here? And no, I don't like his paint by numbers writing style either. Like I said before if you feel persecuted fine! Fantastique! I just thought it was ironic that he went on in his lengty missive in a style reminiscent of what he was tryng to defend against in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 The DNC appreciates your unbending support, as well. Bad corporation. Bad. 279742[/snapback] Here Corporation...here boy. Tax break tax break. Good boy, here's your little tax break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Hedd Posted March 18, 2005 Share Posted March 18, 2005 Anyone got the Cliffs Notes to the opening post? 279759[/snapback] Hahahah.....No sorry, but I do have Cliff's for Paradise Lost! Cliff's Notes hee-hee. Your post almost made me use the clickable smile feature damn you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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