Chandler#81 Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: https://twitter.com/jchenelly/status/1032943009481011200?s=21 Dammit. If he’d really like to come back to B’lo, force it! Make the Raiders eat the fine money and refuse to show. (Hoping)
Kirby Jackson Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 3 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Don’t forget Mack’s brother is here. The Bills will be very high on his wish list should he have an option. 2
mannc Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: It does make a difference why though. If the player was treated with respect by the front office the holdout wouldn’t be happening. I don’t see Beane and McDermott going 9 months without speaking to their superstar. No one is blaming Mack in this situation. This is all on Gruden and the Raiders. He’s unhappy that the comparable players around the league have $70M guaranteed and they want him to play out his current deal. It’s not a mystery. Remember, Mack will be 28 in February. If he plays this year under his current deal he will be going on 29 when he becomes a free agent, and he could be franchised for two years after that. This is probably his best shot at a really big contract. 1
FearLess Price Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 Isnt it cuz the Raiders dont have the actual finances to pay Mak?
Best Player Available Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, SWATeam said: How much say could Mack have in a potential trade? What if he wants Buffalo? Mack probably has little influence on where he goes, being on his rookie contract. I doubt Chuckie would go out of his way too accomandate him. Edited August 24, 2018 by Best Player Available
LikeIGiveADarn Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 14 minutes ago, FearLess Price said: Isnt it cuz the Raiders dont have the actual finances to pay Mak? Pretty much. Not enough fluid cash to put into escrow for his signing bonus
scribo Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Pretty much. Not enough fluid cash to put into escrow for his signing bonus That is rough. How does a team in such a situation expect to be competitive? How does the NFL allow that to happen? I don't recall a situation like that, at least being public, in the past 20 years. That being said, there are other ways the Bills or any trade partner could compensate the Raiders for Mack, such as cold, hard cash.
mannc Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 13 minutes ago, LikeIGiveADarn said: Pretty much. Not enough fluid cash to put into escrow for his signing bonus Interesting. If true, means raiders have even less leverage than I thought. I think Mack can be had for a second round pick. 1
nucci Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 I'm guessing over half the teams in the league have reached out about acquiring Mack.....you would be a terrible GM if you didn't
Canadian Bills Fan Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: It just went from 6 to 12 1
nucci Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: Mack probably has little influence on where he goes, being on his rookie contract. I doubt Chuckie would go out of his way too accomandate him. True but a team will not trade for him knowing he won't sign a new contract
mannc Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, nucci said: True but a team will not trade for him knowing he won't sign a new contract So, in other words, Mack has a lot of say in where he ends up. 1
nucci Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 minute ago, mannc said: So, in other words, Mack has a lot of say in where he ends up. or where he doesn't end up... 3
formerlyofCtown Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 7 hours ago, Augie said: Excuse me? What are you even asking? If a great player might be on the market, at a position of need, smart teams are going to look into the cost and possibility. ANY player that might make your team better needs to be investigated. Maybe we just have some miscommunication here, as that seems pretty obvious. Maybe Beane has been colluding with Mack the whole time. Just like some posters would have you believe Beane ran the 2017 draft from the Panthers war room.
dubs Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, mannc said: The Cooks trade actually supports my argument. 1. Edge rusher is not “just below QB” in positional value. The drop off is huge. If qb is 10, edge is 3 or 4, even if edge is the second most valuable, which it’s not. (That would be WR.) 2. Cooks has averaged over 1100 yds receiving the last 3 seasons. 3. Cooks turns 25 next month. Mack turns 28 in February. That matters. 4. Cooks signed a five-year extension with only $20 million guaranteed. Mack will be looking for around $60 million guaranteed, if not more. 5. You are wrong about what the Rams gave up for Cooks. They gave up less than 23 overall. They got Cooks and NE’s 4th round pick for 23 overall and their 6th rounder. And at the time they made the trade, the Rams knew they were only giving up 23 overall. The Bills would be giving up what might well be a top 10 overall pick in a draft packed with impact d-linemen and edge rushers. Those guys will be 21-years old, and on cheap contracts through 2022. 6. I think you are overestimating the number of teams seriously interested in trading for Mack. I think it’s probably only a couple. Conclusion: The Raiders will be lucky to get someone’s 2019 first round pick for Mack, and the Bills might actually be overpaying by giving them just next year’s first. I think Beane might get it done for a second and a player like Shaq. One other conclusion: Jon Gruden is an idiot, I like this post
SouthNYfan Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 18 minutes ago, nucci said: True but a team will not trade for him knowing he won't sign a new contract 16 minutes ago, mannc said: So, in other words, Mack has a lot of say in where he ends up. 15 minutes ago, nucci said: or where he doesn't end up... Look at the spurs with Leonard. He said publicly he wants to sign with only in la So they traded him to Toronto because Toronto went full in and gave them a huge package for him Will he sign? Who knows? Toronto too a risk but only gave up about 70% of what he's worth. Same thing happened last year in the NBA with Paul George. Said he wanted to go to LA Lakers only, and wanted to sign with them as a FA, so Indiana traded him for 60 cents on the dollar to OKC, and he wound up loving it there and staying. So who knows, somebody might pony up for Mack even without a commitment, but just teams won't go full price for that, so it just means the raiders will have to take below market value to get it done. 1
formerlyofCtown Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 1 hour ago, 8-8 Forever? said: he'll go to a big market(NY, etc. ) or to a SB team (Packers, etc) . Bills have no shot. Teams like Bills and Raiders feed the big teams , not the other way around.... Mack already stated Buffalo is his city.
Soda Popinski Posted August 24, 2018 Posted August 24, 2018 Process reaching critical mass.... If they feel strongly enough about Allen to forfeit draft picks I say go for it. Even if we gave him a 3 year extention We'd have him for the bulk of his prime anyway and I think they could massage the cap to keep him around and still sign Josh Allen when he comes up.
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