Lacanfora: Bills have reached out to Raiders about Khalil Mack trade

[Fr. Jerk]

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Heitz said:

Man, did this guy sign here yet, or what!? ??

Time to grind up some freezer worthy meat and pray he likes deers

[Bangarang]

16 minutes ago, The Red King said:

We play Brady twice a season...tell me again how well we've done without a decent pass rush this whole time?

 

Pretty much the same as every other time we played Brady and the Pats.

[njbuff]

So, 14 pages and counting with this thread?

[nucci]

3 minutes ago, njbuff said:

So, 14 pages and counting with this thread?

yes,  obviously

[Yav]

Honestly, wouldn't everyone expect the Bills to call on Mack? 

A call is just that a call. It comes down to a few things:

1. What do the Raiders want for compensation?

2. What does Mack want for compensation?

 

Personally, I think Hughes has warn his welcome out in Buffalo. He gets dumb penalties and he tends to disappear during long stretches not just during a game but a season as well.

 

[billykay]

8 hours ago, mannc said:

The Cooks trade actually supports my argument.

 

1.  Edge rusher is not “just below QB” in positional value.  The drop off is huge.  If qb is 10, edge is 3 or 4, even if edge is the second most valuable, which it’s not.  (That  would be WR.)

 

2.  Cooks has averaged over 1100 yds receiving the last 3 seasons.  

 

3.  Cooks turns 25 next month.  Mack turns 28 in February.  That matters.

 

4. Cooks signed a five-year extension with only $20 million guaranteed.  Mack will be looking for around $60 million guaranteed, if not more.

 

5.  You are wrong about what the Rams gave up for Cooks.  They gave up less than 23 overall.  They got Cooks and NE’s 4th round pick for 23 overall and their 6th rounder.  And at the time they made the trade, the Rams knew they were only giving up 23 overall.  The Bills would be giving up what might well be a top 10 overall pick in a draft packed with impact d-linemen and edge rushers.  Those guys will be 21-years old, and on cheap contracts through 2022.

 

6.  I think you are overestimating the number of teams seriously interested in trading for Mack.  I think it’s probably only a couple.

 

Conclusion:  The Raiders will be lucky to get someone’s 2019 first round pick for Mack, and the Bills might actually be overpaying by giving them just next year’s first.  I think Beane might get it done for a second and a player like Shaq.

 

One other conclusion:  Jon Gruden is an idiot,

The Raiders just might be interested in one of our backup QB's as part of any package.

Also, does anyone think that we would have to offer Mack more money due to the Bills being in a high tax state especially compared to Nevada ?

 

[ToGoGo]

2 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

I think it's highly debatable if he's the best. If he is, there's a half dozen guys on his heels.

 

He's on pace to be the unquestionable best. 

[BrotherChazz]

1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said:

 

Look at the DEs drafted in the 1st rd in the past 4 years. Which ones would you take over Mack?

• Arik Armstead (17 - 2015)
• Shane Ray (23 - 2015)
• Joey Bosa (3-2016)
• DeForest Buckner (7 - 2016)
• Shaq Lawson (16 - 2016)
• Myles Garrett (1 - 2017)
• Derek Barnett (14 - 2017)
• Charles Harris (22 -2017)
• Taco Charlton (28 -2017)
• Bradley Chubb (5 - 2018)
• Marcus Davenport (14 - 2018)

The only 2 I would put in the conversation with Mack are Bosa and maybe Garrett and they were both top 3 picks. If we put together a typical Billsy season and win 6-9 games we'd be picking closer to the Shaw Lawson Derek Barnett range, I would take Mack over every guy picked in that range in the past couple of years. 

 

Yeah, but there's a guy named Taco...so I'd probably have to flip a coin between the two...

 

 

26 minutes ago, Yav said:

Honestly, wouldn't everyone expect the Bills to call on Mack? 

A call is just that a call. It comes down to a few things:

1. What do the Raiders want for compensation?

2. What does Mack want for compensation?

 

Personally, I think Hughes has warn his welcome out in Buffalo. He gets dumb penalties and he tends to disappear during long stretches not just during a game but a season as well.

 

 

Could always be a ploy to get the jets to overpay. No harm in a phone call either way. 

Edited August 24, 2018 by BrotherChazz

[BullBuchanan]

5 minutes ago, musichunch said:

 

He's on pace to be the unquestionable best. 

Not really. Bosa, Chandler Jones, Campbell, Miller, Lawrence are all top tier with a lot more just behind them. You don't need the best, you need one of the best.

Edited August 24, 2018 by BullBuchanan

[ctk232]

16 hours ago, quinnearlysghost88 said:

Yep. I’m seeing shades of MARIO Williams. 

Had the same thoughts - while we got Mario a bit more toward the end of his career than Mack is at right now, that's all this made me think of. 

 

Thinking about it more though I'd prefer Mack right now, to the Mario signing when it happened. Mack is easily the better player than Mario, but the hype and feel are the same...it would all depend on what we'd do with his skill set, and how much we would give up for him.

[Niagara Dude]

2 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

I can recall watching Bennett tearing it up at Alabama and wanting to cry as Indy drafted O'Landa with their first-round pick. I was ecstatic when the Bills traded for him.  

 

I for one don't think the Bills overpaid for Bennett. I realize that lots do think the Bills overpaid.

Please don't compare Bennett who was a rookie and this guy who is 27,  no more then (2) 2nds and 3rd or 4th rounder.  Give me one good reason why we only received a second for Sammy who was only 23 and this guy some fans want to give up multiple 1st rounders.  

 

Let me accept Jerry and 3 picks  (2) 2nd rounders and a 3rd or forget it,  at his size he will wear down in the next 3-4 years.  Coming off a bad year,  just like Sammy and we only goy a 2 rounder

[Pete]

"KHALIL MACK!  KHALIL MACK! KHALIL MACK!  KHALIL MACK!"

[Mark Vader]

38 minutes ago, njbuff said:

So, 14 pages and counting with this thread?

Be prepared to wait even longer.

 

If Khalil Mack were to get traded soon, I think it would be after this weekend's games.

 

If not, then this could drag on for quite some time.

[Pete]

chant with me Bills brothers and sisters!

Edited August 24, 2018 by Pete

[Nihilarian]

3 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Please don't compare Bennett who was a rookie and this guy who is 27,  no more then (2) 2nds and 3rd or 4th rounder.  Give me one good reason why we only received a second for Sammy who was only 23 and this guy some fans want to give up multiple 1st rounders.  

 

Let me accept Jerry and 3 picks  (2) 2nd rounders and a 3rd or forget it,  at his size he will wear down in the next 3-4 years.  Coming off a bad year,  just like Sammy and we only goy a 2 rounder

Annnnd, exactly how did I compare them?

[ToGoGo]

9 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

Not really. Bosa, Chandler Jones, Campbell, Miller, Lawrence are all top tier with a lot more just behind them. You don't need the best, you need one of the best.

 

Your opinion. 

[Alphadawg7]

33 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Please don't compare Bennett who was a rookie and this guy who is 27,  no more then (2) 2nds and 3rd or 4th rounder.  Give me one good reason why we only received a second for Sammy who was only 23 and this guy some fans want to give up multiple 1st rounders.  

 

Let me accept Jerry and 3 picks  (2) 2nd rounders and a 3rd or forget it,  at his size he will wear down in the next 3-4 years.  Coming off a bad year,  just like Sammy and we only goy a 2 rounder

 

Huh?  Why on Sammy?  Maybe because he had multiple injuries, ones that cost him lots of time.  There was risk with him despite having shown some elite talent when healthy, but that was in 2015 over the last 9 games (after he missed the beginning of the season with a rib injury).  Its not even remotely the same thing.  Watkins was a guy who had the talent to establish himself as a top 10 WR, maybe even better...but had NOT yet reached those levels due to the combination of crap QB's and bad health.  Mack has already established himself as a top 3 defensive player, has been DPOY, and is just entering his prime.  

 

And I am still a big believer in Sammy's talents, but its not remotely close to the same situation.  In fact, Sammy's deal only furthers the fact that Macks should be much higher compensation as he was a guy with POTENTIAL that only had been partially tapped into and slowed down by injuries, where Mack has established himself as one of the best defenders in the NFL.

 

Could Mack be traded for less than a first...sure, anything is possible and Beane is literally a WITCH.  However, the odds are low on that and he is most likely not only going to have a lot of suitors bidding on him, but its going to take not only a first but additional picks or a player(s), or maybe both.  And again, cracks me up people are making a big deal about him being 27, that is so young still and a DE will easily play at an Elite level into their 30's, and even when they slip, they can still be very good even deeper into their 30's.  He will be at an Elite level through the life of whatever contract he signs unless he either loses his drive after getting paid (see Haynesworth for instance) or has injuries slow him down, which has not been a factor yet in his career.  AGE will not be a factor over the life of the contract he seeks.

Edited August 24, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Nihilarian]

19 minutes ago, Pete said:

"KHALIL MACK!  KHALIL MACK! KHALIL MACK!  KHALIL MACK!"

The Bills already have one of the very best secondaries in the NFL and the addition of Mack it would be like 2014 all over again! Maybe even better!

[mannc]

5 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Huh?  Why on Sammy?  Maybe because he had multiple injuries, ones that cost him lots of time.  There was risk with him despite having shown some elite talent when healthy, but that was in 2015 over the last 9 games (after he missed the beginning of the season with a rib injury).  Its not even remotely the same thing.  Watkins was a guy who had the talent to establish himself as a top 10 WR, maybe even better...but had NOT yet reached those levels due to the combination of crap QB's and bad health.  Mack has already established himself as a top 3 defensive player, has been DPOY, and is just entering his prime.  

 

And I am still a big believer in Sammy's talents, but its not remotely close to the same.  In fact, Sammy's deal only furthers the fact that Macks should be much higher compensation.  

 

Could Mack be traded for less than a first...sure, anything is possible and Beane is literally a WITCH.  However, the odds are low on that and he is most likely not only going to have a lot of suitors bidding on him, but its going to take not only a first but additional picks or a player(s), or maybe both.  And a gain, cracks me up people are making a big deal about him being 27, that is so young still and a DE will easily play at an Elite level into their 30's, and even when they slip, they can still be very good even deeper into their 30's.  He will be at an Elite level through the life of whatever contract he signs unless he either loses his drive after getting paid (see Haynesworth for instance) or has injuries slow him down, which has not been a factor yet in his career. 

You make some good points, but Sammy is a full three years younger than Mack.  That makes a difference.  Sure Mack could be highly productive into his 30s, but he’s on the small side for an edge rusher and might not be nearly as effective if he loses a step. Mack might turn out to be dominant for years to come, but these are things a team will think about before committing $60 million guaranteed to a player, not mention giving up premium draft picks.  I say Mack can be had in exchange for one first round pick.