twoandfourteen Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 26 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: Of the QBs who have started at least 15 games from 2015 to 2017 I have him 19th out of 39. ANY/A would put him 18th, Passer Rating would put him 15th. Great. I'm curious to see who the 20 guys behind him are, but you don't have to waste your time posting that. However, I'm talking about the 40-50 guys playing QB on teams in the NFL heading into the 2018 season. By "better", I'm looking at their overall value -- talent, potential, past performance, etc. I also just realized I forgot about Mahomes in KC. So there's 37 guys who are "better" than Tyrod Taylor in the NFL right now. Edit -- also forgot about Winston in TB, so now it's 38. Edited August 28, 2018 by twoandfourteen 1
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Great. I'm curious to see who the 20 guys behind him are, but you don't have to waste your time posting that. However, I'm talking about the 40-50 guys playing QB on teams in the NFL heading into the 2018 season. By "better", I'm looking at their overall value -- talent, potential, past performance, etc. I also just realized I forgot about Mahomes in KC. So there's 37 guys who are "better" than Tyrod Taylor in the NFL right now.
Teddy KGB Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, COTC said: And why did Beane trade our starting QB away with no backup plan? hes in WAY over his head. Did you sleep through last season ? Taylor was cringeworthy bad. He’s gone for a reason Edited August 28, 2018 by Teddy KGB 1
dave mcbride Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, twoandfourteen said: Great. I'm curious to see who the 20 guys behind him are, but you don't have to waste your time posting that. However, I'm talking about the 40-50 guys playing QB on teams in the NFL heading into the 2018 season. By "better", I'm looking at their overall value -- talent, potential, past performance, etc. I also just realized I forgot about Mahomes in KC. So there's 37 guys who are "better" than Tyrod Taylor in the NFL right now. Edit -- also forgot about Winston in TB, so now it's 38. I'll take PFR over your opinion. His AV value was 23rd overall in the NFL in 2016 - a season in which after 15 games the Bills' offense ranked 7th in yards, 10th in points, and first in fewest turnovers given up (he of course was benched for the final game). This occurred in a season in which they Hogan had left, Watkins was mostly hurt, and Woods was playing with a torn groin. The Bills' offense was 9th in DVOA in 2015 and 10th in 2016 -- their best showings since 1999. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=2016&year_max=2016&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_e=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=av&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2015&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_e=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y I realize you're an anti-Taylor crusader, but come on. I wish him well. He's a decent, likable player who is a true gamer despite not being elite. Edited August 28, 2018 by dave mcbride
SouthNYfan Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: I'll take PFR over your opinion. His AV value was 23rd overall in the NFL in 2016 - a season in which after 15 games the Bills' offense ranked 7th in yards, 10th in points, and first in fewest turnovers given up (he of course was benched for the final game). This occurred in a season in which they Hogan had left, Watkins was mostly hurt, and Woods was playing with a torn groin. The Bills' offense was 9th in DVOA in 2015 and 10th in 2016 -- their best showings since 1999. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=2016&year_max=2016&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&pos_is_rb=Y&pos_is_wr=Y&pos_is_te=Y&pos_is_e=Y&pos_is_t=Y&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_ol=Y&pos_is_dt=Y&pos_is_de=Y&pos_is_dl=Y&pos_is_ilb=Y&pos_is_olb=Y&pos_is_lb=Y&pos_is_cb=Y&pos_is_s=Y&pos_is_db=Y&pos_is_k=Y&pos_is_p=Y&c1stat=&c1comp=gt&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=av&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2015&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_e=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y I realize you're an anti-Taylor crusader, but come on. I wish him well. He's a decent, likable player who is a true gamer despite not being elite. He has perpetually stated that he is talking about after last season, and at this current moment, yet you continue to bring up 2016 statistics. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT 2016.
dave mcbride Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 11 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: He has perpetually stated that he is talking about after last season, and at this current moment, yet you continue to bring up 2016 statistics. NOBODY IS TALKING ABOUT 2016. Um ... no. The person I'm responding to (not you) cited a record of failure over 3 seasons. See the previous page and my initial response. That's what I'm reacting to. That poster than shifted the goalposts and starting referring to his fantasy draft as a source of authority.
Teddy KGB Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: who is a true gamer despite not being elite. Thats a lie. Gamers show up for big games 2
dave mcbride Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, Teddy KGB said: Thats a lie. Gamers show up for big games Gamers are players who gut it out and play hurt, don't complain, and don't cause internal problems. Clutch players show up for big games. I never said he was a clutch player. It's a flaw of his and makes him average instead of good. 1
SouthNYfan Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 2 hours ago, twoandfourteen said: Great. I'm curious to see who the 20 guys behind him are, but you don't have to waste your time posting that. However, I'm talking about the 40-50 guys playing QB on teams in the NFL heading into the 2018 season. By "better", I'm looking at their overall value -- talent, potential, past performance, etc. I also just realized I forgot about Mahomes in KC. So there's 37 guys who are "better" than Tyrod Taylor in the NFL right now. Edit -- also forgot about Winston in TB, so now it's 38. 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Um ... no. The person I'm responding to (not you) cited a record of failure over 3 seasons. See the previous page and my initial response. That's what I'm reacting to. That poster than shifted the goalposts and starting referring to his fantasy draft as a source of authority. Reading is hard.
COTC Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 10 hours ago, KD in CA said: Actually, he traded him away with a starting AND backup plan. What happened to our starter and backup? Were they cut?? The scrubs we have now are exactly that. Bench warmers and a rookie. So what exactly was the plan other than sacrifice he year? 1
Big Gun Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, COTC said: What happened to our starter and backup? Were they cut?? The scrubs we have now are exactly that. Bench warmers and a rookie. So what exactly was the plan other than sacrifice he year? Hah, not going to be hard to improve upon the 31st ranked passing attack. There is a reason TT is gone, open your eyes. 1
dave mcbride Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Reading is hard. Apparently not as hard as reading what I was initially responding to. Via an attack on Taylor, he flat out stated that the Bills had the worst passing attack in the league for three seasons. That is unequivocally false. That's what I was responding to, and the fact that he shifted the conversation to his fantasy league because he didn't have a legitimate answer doesn't obviate the initial (flawed) point that was made. Anyway, you're arguing with me for sticking to my guns regarding a longer body of work, which was clearly part of the conversation -- until it wasn't. I'm not letting that go because the argument about Taylor (from both sides, pro and con) hinges on a longer view. Edited August 28, 2018 by dave mcbride
COTC Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 Just now, pop gun said: Hah, not going to be hard to improve upon the 31st ranked passing attack. There is a reason TT is gone, open your eyes. Why is he gone? Couldn’t he of competed with the rookie? our o-cord got fired, it would’ve been a fresh start for both. Now we are stuck once again in qb pergatory while we wait a year for Allen to develop. And look at who’s developing him. Not smart.
SouthNYfan Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Apparently not as hard as reading what I was initially responding to. Via an attack on Taylor, he flat out stated that the Bills had the worst passing attack in the league for three seasons. That is unequivocally false. That's what I was responding to, and the fact that he shifted the conversation to his fantasy league because he didn't have a legitimate answer doesn't obviate the initial (flawed) point that was made. Anyway, you're arguing with me for sticking to my guns regarding a longer body of work, which was clearly part of the conversation -- until it wasn't. I'm not letting that go because the argument about Taylor (from both sides, pro and con) hinges on a longer view. And your most recent responses, which I quoted with his, were in response to him stating that currently there are 30+ QBs who teams would not trade straight up for Tyrod. Then you started bringing in prior seasons.
Wagon Circler Posted August 28, 2018 Author Posted August 28, 2018 Peterman will be a significant improvement on Tyrod. At a much lower cost. ?
Big Gun Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, COTC said: Why is he gone? Couldn’t he of competed with the rookie? our o-cord got fired, it would’ve been a fresh start for both. Now we are stuck once again in qb pergatory while we wait a year for Allen to develop. And look at who’s developing him. Not smart. Purgertory is your opinion, I happen to think Peterman or McCarron will be an improvement to the 31st passing attack from last year.
BuffaloHokie13 Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 1 minute ago, pop gun said: Purgertory is your opinion, I happen to think Peterman or McCarron will be an improvement to the 31st passing attack from last year. I guess we'll see if they can move the ball and score points or not.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wagon Circler said: Peterman will be a significant improvement on Tyrod. At a much lower cost. ? And that was clearly proven true last year in one of the worst starts in nfl history. i was not a Tyrod fan but this narrative that he was terrible and anyone is an improvement is completely false.
COTC Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, pop gun said: Purgertory is your opinion, I happen to think Peterman or McCarron will be an improvement to the 31st passing attack from last year. Our old GM admited the year before last that we were in qb purgatory. Our qb current situation is worse. We are in pergatory until the rookie develops, face it, this is a developmental/ sacrificial year. Edited August 28, 2018 by COTC
Big Gun Posted August 28, 2018 Posted August 28, 2018 6 minutes ago, COTC said: Our old GM admited the year before last that we were in qb purgatory. Our qb current situation is worse. We are in pergatory until the rookie develops, face it, this is a developmental/ sacrificial year. Says who?
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